Blue Oyster Cult on progarchives?

geezer wrote: Sean Trane wrote: secret treaties is IMHO their proggiest! But I do not think they belong in the Archives. Except for Mirrors , all of their albums were good hard rock albums until Cultosaurus Erectus. After that ...... ....... they released "Fire of Unknown Origin", perhaps their 2nd best album.......

I admit I do not know their discography after Cult Erect. So this is why my confused face

horza wrote: they deserve to be on here - i'd rather see them than some others which are on here

Horza, sei una forza!!!!!

italian expression: "Horza you're great!".

bluetailfly wrote: Citanul wrote: bluetailfly wrote: The Wizard wrote: There intelligent rock, like Queen and Led Zeppelin. "History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man, Godzilla!" Yeah, real intelligent! Prog archives? You must be kidding. And how many prog bands have bad lyrics?  I haven't heard enough of Blue Oyster Cult to decide whether they should be here or not, but any arguments about their inclusion should be based on their music, not one line of their lyrics taken out of context. No, any reasonable argument for inclusion in P.A. has to also consider the lyrics too as well as the music. The lyrics are an integral part of the musical experience. And I only mentioned those lyrics to remind the BOC fans of the type of music BOC has a gift for creating. Anyone who's heard the song knows quite well the music isn't prog. It isn't even good rock.

I'm a huge Boc's fan and I like also Godzilla, even if I prefer Nosferatu and Golden Age Of Leather (1977 Spectres album).

Godzilla is very different from the rest of the album and my girlfriend like it too!!!!! ()

Edited by Andrea Cortese

Bluetailfly,

How well do you know BÖC's discography? Have you heard albums like "Secret Treaties"?

I just ask this because you mention only those radio hits which do not really represent this band well and definitely not the progressive side of it. Like I said, I think Godzilla is the worst BÖC song and even Don't Fear the Reaper is only a little above average (though the live versions smoke!).

Bluetailfly,

I do not think that it is a shameful crime that BÖC is not included here. Actually, if I had the power to decide there wouldn't be any prog-related artists in the archives. I have noticed that "all" people here who want to include bands are totally driven by their emotions rather than dominated by a reason. I never let my feelings about some band have an effect on my opinion if it should be included or not. So, I do not really care if BÖC is included or not. I made my previous post only because it was easy to read through the lines that you are not really familiar with this band at all (no pun intended).

If you have the possibility to listen to Secret Treaties it would be interesting to know what you think about songs like "Flaming Telepaths" or "Astronomy".  Just rock mediocrity? Do you really think the lyrics are bad? Let us know.

geezer wrote: Bluetailfly, I do not think that it is a shameful crime that BÖC is not included here. Actually, if I had the power to decide there wouldn't be any prog-related artists in the archives. I have noticed that "all" people here who want to include bands are totally driven by their emotions rather than dominated by a reason. I never let my feelings about some band have an effect on my opinion if it should be included or not. So, I do not really care if BÖC is included or not. I made my previous post only because it was easy to read through the lines that you are not really familiar with this band at all (no pun intended). If you have the possibility to listen to Secret Treaties it would be interesting to know what you think about songs like "Flaming Telepaths" or "Astronomy".  Just rock mediocrity? Do you really think the lyrics are bad? Let us know.

I agree, I think the prog-related category is a bad idea for this website.

Now as for "reading through the lines to see that I am not familiar with the band" well, I'm not extremely familiar with their catalogue, no. But I don't think you need to familiarize yourself with a band's entire catalogue before you pass judgement on them. I've only heard the hits by the B-52s, but I'm pretty certain they are not prog. There were times I've heard albums by BOC that others have played for me and I know they are not prog or even proggy.

I look forward putting on my headphones and undergoing into my first experience of "Flaming Telepaths." There's a prog title if there ever was one.

Andrea Cortese wrote:    1972    1973      1974    1977     1981      1988 These albums have something to say...

Okay, I'm gonna go into this with an open mind...

Blue Oyster Cult is my second favorite band of all time behind Hawkwind.

Albums with prog influence...

MAYBE a handful of songs off the first two albums ("Wings Wetted Down," "7 Screaming Dizbusters")

Perhaps half of the Secret Treaties album (the first few songs, and the last few songs)

Scattered tracks off of their Secret Treaties -> Revolution By Night period

The closest they ever got to prog was Imaginos... a synth-laden and experimental release.

I will be featuring some tracks off that album in my prog radio show sometime in the future if anyone is interested.  I've already got the setlist for next week set, but for the week after that I'll play something like "Les Invisibles," "In the Presence of Another World," or "Blue Oyster Cult." Imaginos is really a special album, and even if you do not consider it to be progressive, I think it would appeal to prog fans.

Edited by John Gargo

BOC are a superb band, and highly underrated - it's such a pity that people only seem to judge them by their hits.

I don't think they really count as Prog Rock - although they did some really progressive things - Black Blade/Monsters on "Cultosaurus Erectus" is brilliant, and I love the way it drops seamlessly into jazz from a massively heavy riff and back again. "Cultosaurus.." is my favourite BOC album. "Fire of Unknown Origin" likewise is brilliant, with some proggy moments - but no "pure" prog, and the list goes on in their back catalogue with a few "turkey" moments among the brilliance.

I don't think BOC were even nearly as progressive as Queen, but seeing the bands that are currently being added, then I have to now agree that they're definitely prog-related.

Although I think that's more or less what I said, but with a slightly more positive "spin".