Blue Oyster Cult on progarchives?
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Topic: Blue Oyster Cult on progarchives?
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Subject: Blue Oyster Cult on progarchives?
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 16:25
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Blue Oyster Cult on progarchives?
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Posted By: Angeldust
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 20:02
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They should be included more than many bands here....Even their latest works are truly decent.....One of the best and most underrated bands of the 70s(everybody was talking about Deep Purple,Zeppelin,Sabbath)...Even Patti Smith (which i truly admire ) has worked with them....Fire of unknown origin & Secret treaties are propably some of the best albums they've done...
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Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 20:54
| I don't think they're prog at all. Straight up hard rock if you ask me. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:41
Not straight up by any means, but not prog either.
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Retrovertigo wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:49
I can't find them! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:12
| There intelligent rock, like Queen and Led Zeppelin. |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 20:15
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If Led Zep get here, we'll see then. But for now... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Lorak
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 21:59
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I have been a BOC devotee for many years. They did great concerts in the late 70's. The laser show was a real trip! Not sure they fit the prog mold, but I would much rather see them here over the likes of Queen, Led Dirigible, and Styx. Best Albums IMO are Secret Treaties and Imaginos. With the exception of Imaginos, they got a little bit poppy after their succsess with 'the Reaper' ------------- Two heads are better than one, but if you want something done right, do it yourself. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but better safe than sorry. Look before you leap, but he who hesitates is lost |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 23:14
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"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man, Godzilla!" Yeah, real intelligent! Prog archives? You must be kidding. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 03:59
I think that's quite a good lyric! I really like BOC but like most above I don't think they are really prog. Albums like Spectres, Secret Treaties and Imaginos would definitely appeal to a lot of prog fans though. More BOC intelligence: "Oh no, there goes Tokyo! Go Go Godzilla!" ------------- "It's 1973, almost dinnertime and I'm 'aving 'oops!" - Gene Hunt |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 04:16
Also their first two albums would appeal to many prog lovers!! Tyranny and Mutation's (1973) all the songs, in particular: - 7 Screaming Diz Busters; - The Red And The Black; - Hot Rails To Hell; - O.D.'d on Life Itself; Blue Oyster Cult's (1972) all the songs, in particular: - Cities on Flame; - Transmaniacon MC; - She's as Beautiful as a Foot; - I'm on the Lamb but I ain't no Sheep; - Then Came the Last Days of May. |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 04:26
And how many prog bands have bad lyrics? I haven't heard enough of Blue Oyster Cult to decide whether they should be here or not, but any arguments about their inclusion should be based on their music, not one line of their lyrics taken out of context. ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 04:50
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"Clock strikes twelve and moondrops burst by Joe Bouchard, Albert Bouchard and Sandy Pearlman ...then, look below...my signature... |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 06:11
^ Astronomy I like!  Godzilla is a really poor example because it is perhaps the worst song this band has ever made. I can't even listen to it. Even if I don't see this band as a prog band I have to say that I find it impossible to see BÖC less progressive than the likes of Deep Purple and Queen. Even in the eighties they kept producing "prog-related" songs with each album they made. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 06:13
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 06:54
| I have their anthology 'Workshop Of The Telescopes'; must give that another spin...The first disc consists entirely of most of their first few albums, and from what I remember, I felt they were like a band such as Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, who weren't progressive rock bands in the slightest, but were making songs/albums that had the attributes of prog rock (Priest with 'Sad Wings Of Destiny', 'Sin After Sin' and 'Stained Class', Iron Maiden with pretty much all of their work). It's arguable they COULD be added under 'prog related', but it's worth taking into account that Iron Maiden have been vetoed from inclusion, so it's very doubtful that BOC would be here, either. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 07:16
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secret treaties is IMHO their proggiest! But I do not think they belong in the Archives. Except for Mirrors , all of their albums were good hard rock albums until Cultosaurus Erectus. After that ...... ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 07:23
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they have their "prog" moments! "Imaginos" is a great album!
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Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:08
....... they released "Fire of Unknown Origin", perhaps their 2nd best album....... |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:14
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they deserve to be on here - i'd rather see them than some others which are on here ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:43
I admit I do not know their discography after Cult Erect. So this is why my confused face ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:47
Hey, they made alot of there stuff before there pop period is really intelligent. -------------  
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:49
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Horza, sei una forza!!!!! italian expression: "Horza you're great!". |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:52
No, any reasonable argument for inclusion in P.A. has to also consider the lyrics too as well as the music. The lyrics are an integral part of the musical experience. And I only mentioned those lyrics to remind the BOC fans of the type of music BOC has a gift for creating. Anyone who's heard the song knows quite well the music isn't prog. It isn't even good rock. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 12:06
I'm a huge Boc's fan and I like also Godzilla, even if I prefer Nosferatu and Golden Age Of Leather Godzilla is very different from the rest of the album and my girlfriend like it too!!!!! ( |
(1977 Spectres album).
)Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 12:19
Hey, I like it too, when I'm in a partying rock & roll mood. But it's on the level with "I'm turning Japanese" or "Love Shack" or "Rock & Roll Hoochie Coo." Good fun rock, but not the product of a prog thinking band. Same with "Don't Fear the Reaper" great tune, great guitar solo, great rock song by a rock band. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 14:21
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Bluetailfly, How well do you know BÖC's discography? Have you heard albums like "Secret Treaties"? I just ask this because you mention only those radio hits which do not really represent this band well and definitely not the progressive side of it. Like I said, I think Godzilla is the worst BÖC song and even Don't Fear the Reaper is only a little above average (though the live versions smoke!). |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 14:42
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Hello geezer, I have to admit that "Secret Treaties" has managed to elude me all these years. But, if you are so adamant that BOC's music is a hidden prog gem, or prog-related gem, and that it is a shameful crime that they haven't been inducted into this website after all these years, I'll get it and check it out. BUT, if it's a bunch of rock-structured mediocrity with guitar solos, I'm...I'm...I'm...well, I don't know what I'm going to do, but you can bet I'll resurrect this post and blast BOC like they've never been blasted before...that's my promise to you, geezer! ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 15:57
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Bluetailfly, I do not think that it is a shameful crime that BÖC is not included here. Actually, if I had the power to decide there wouldn't be any prog-related artists in the archives. I have noticed that "all" people here who want to include bands are totally driven by their emotions rather than dominated by a reason. I never let my feelings about some band have an effect on my opinion if it should be included or not. So, I do not really care if BÖC is included or not. I made my previous post only because it was easy to read through the lines that you are not really familiar with this band at all (no pun intended). If you have the possibility to listen to Secret Treaties it would be interesting to know what you think about songs like "Flaming Telepaths" or "Astronomy". Just rock mediocrity? Do you really think the lyrics are bad? Let us know. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:06
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Blue Oyster Cult is one of my favourite bands ever!! It's absolutely natural for me hope it's possible to add them on PA! There's prog in their discography. Even if not in the most part, proggy examples are great and very interesting! What a pity if PA will not include them! |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:16
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I agree, I think the prog-related category is a bad idea for this website. Now as for "reading through the lines to see that I am not familiar with the band" well, I'm not extremely familiar with their catalogue, no. But I don't think you need to familiarize yourself with a band's entire catalogue before you pass judgement on them. I've only heard the hits by the B-52s, but I'm pretty certain they are not prog. There were times I've heard albums by BOC that others have played for me and I know they are not prog or even proggy. I look forward putting on my headphones and undergoing into my first experience of "Flaming Telepaths." There's a prog title if there ever was one. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:41
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http://www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/1first.html"> http://www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/2TnM.html"> http://www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/3Treaties.html"> http://www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/6Spec.html"> http://www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/aFUO.html"> http://www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/eIMAG.html"> These albums have something to say... |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:45
Okay, I'm gonna go into this with an open mind... ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 06:13
Please do so and let us know what you think. You might be surprised when you hear it. I really think that you can't judge, like you have, this band just based on their radio hits. |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 11:27
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Blue Oyster Cult is my second favorite band of all time behind Hawkwind. Albums with prog influence... MAYBE a handful of songs off the first two albums ("Wings Wetted Down," "7 Screaming Dizbusters") Perhaps half of the Secret Treaties album (the first few songs, and the last few songs) Scattered tracks off of their Secret Treaties -> Revolution By Night period The closest they ever got to prog was Imaginos... a synth-laden and experimental release. I will be featuring some tracks off that album in my prog radio show sometime in the future if anyone is interested. I've already got the setlist for next week set, but for the week after that I'll play something like "Les Invisibles," "In the Presence of Another World," or "Blue Oyster Cult." Imaginos is really a special album, and even if you do not consider it to be progressive, I think it would appeal to prog fans. |
Posted By: ryan
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 13:21
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"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man, Godzilla!" Yeah, real intelligent!" -I couldnt agree more. BOC was a very progressive band. They progressed the cowbell, and brought it to musical levels that all others were afraid to try. Seriously dont fear the reaper, man. I think they are turds. ------------- -ryan |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 15:55
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BOC are a superb band, and highly underrated - it's such a pity that people only seem to judge them by their hits. I don't think they really count as Prog Rock - although they did some really progressive things - Black Blade/Monsters on "Cultosaurus Erectus" is brilliant, and I love the way it drops seamlessly into jazz from a massively heavy riff and back again. "Cultosaurus.." is my favourite BOC album. "Fire of Unknown Origin" likewise is brilliant, with some proggy moments - but no "pure" prog, and the list goes on in their back catalogue with a few "turkey" moments among the brilliance. |
Posted By: Zenith
Date Posted: January 26 2006 at 17:54
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I believe BOC is just as progressive as Queen for instance. They had a few radio hits a long time ago, but a lot fewer than Queen. Surely those hits wasn't prog but still they're quite prog related on some albums. They should be in the PA. ------------- We're only in it for the music!!! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 29 2006 at 16:25
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I don't think BOC were even nearly as progressive as Queen, but seeing the bands that are currently being added, then I have to now agree that they're definitely prog-related. Although I think that's more or less what I said, but with a slightly more positive "spin". |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 12:00
well done, Lorak! |
Posted By: 27-11
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 20:40
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Supertramp in, BOC currently out! What's all that about!? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 11 2006 at 00:03
This is the kind of argument that could change us into a general rock, pop, prog site like Allmusic. I'm not sure if Supertramp should be considered Prog', but they are already in and nobody will take them out because of the politic of the site, and to be honest, Crime of the Century is very close to Prog. But the fact that a non Prog band has been admited doesn't allow us to make the same mistake over and over. Two mistakes don't make a correct choice. BOC is a hard rock band and nothing more IMO, they shouldn't be here, if you want to add soime similar band, do it with Led Zeppelin that has a lot of Prog' elements and has been kept out for too much time. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Dr Know
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 18:45
Blue Oyster Cult´s lyrics are very Sci Fi yet thought provoking. I have Cultasaurus Erectus which is really good! I say if bands like Queensryche make the grade, so too should Blue Oyster Cult
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 03:13
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BOC have come up before; http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11182&KW=blue+oyster+cult - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11182& amp; amp;KW=blue+oyster+cult Having listened very carefully to Queensryche, I don't see why they're here either - their music is just recycled Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, but with less melody and feeling and more of that pedantic "must be technically superior and accurate" approach that kills the soul of music. So Queensryche don't make the grade - it's just that for as long as I can remember they've had the Prog Metal label. Don't ask me why - I really don't understand it I agree, though - "Cultosaurus Erectus" is a magnificent album, and very nearly prog in places. The follow-up "Fire Of Unknown Origin" is brilliant too.
On Supertramp - the two albums "Crime of the Century" and "Even in the Quietest Moments" justify their existence in the archives alone, IMO. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 18:24
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Too many time I do not listen to BOC!!! Tomorrow I'll go with Tyranny and Mutation |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 20:36
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Blue Oyster Cult (BOC) Many refer to their first four albums as the "black and white" period because of their black and white cover art. These albums comprise of their prog rock period.
With Agents of Fortune they start to got pop/rock.
However, their live album ON YOUR FEET OR ON YOUR KNEES .Is a must for anyone who loves live rock and roll, it rivals Zep's How the West Was Won. |