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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.


Um no. Loco breath, Wind up and My God are just standard compositions. Taab is genius. I think you need to be over 40 to understand. Although only some 40 + are smart   

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.
 

Agree with the first comment but not with second.

Wish You Were Here is such a beautiful album . Rick's synths are like bathing in warm sunshine and the lyrics mean something. Title track may be my very favorite song of all time (close run thing with Solsbury Hill)

I love the title track for Aqualung but I wish they had made that longer. TAAB is when they fully crossed from being a blues rock band to all out prog imo. It's a wonderfully ambitious album that appears was slightly accidental on purpose. Anderson was not keen it seems on taking Tull in that direction but it had to happen anyway.
I seem to remember it being NO1 on the chart in the early days. I can remember even starting a thread asking was it really the best prog album.
 
My comment is not a hate against TAAB, I just simply feel Aqualung is the best album JT ever recorded. TAAB has it's moments and is a wonderful listen but for me I can't simply pull it off the shelf and set it on the turntable anytime, with Aqualung I can listen to it at anytime.
I am not sure about No1 for TAAB, but what always boggled my mind was APP came out as No1 on Billboard but only like No18 on UK charts in '73.
See to me Aqualung set the tone for TAAB and APP, if not for Aqua the others two that followed may have been different or just another couple ok albums....Props go to those that came before.
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Wish is a 3.5 star and Thick 4.5 star

That's about where I end up, too.
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Top 100 of al times

1) Close to the Edge - Yes
2) Selling England - Genesis


Then, we have a head-to-head between three records for third place: the difference in their score is minimal and each review can change the ranking:

3) Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd:      4.63-------> QWR 4.6137
4) Thick As A Brick - Jethro Tull:            4.63-------> QWR 4.6133
5) In The Court Of... - King Crimson    4.63------->QWR 4.6131
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


WHO CARES ????



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Stop looking at these PA top whatever lists (they're rigged, skewed, fixed and cheated anywaysClown), it ruins your brains and waste your life


Exactly
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.
 

Agree with the first comment but not with second.

Wish You Were Here is such a beautiful album . Rick's synths are like bathing in warm sunshine and the lyrics mean something. Title track may be my very favorite song of all time (close run thing with Solsbury Hill)

I love the title track for Aqualung but I wish they had made that longer. TAAB is when they fully crossed from being a blues rock band to all out prog imo. It's a wonderfully ambitious album that appears was slightly accidental on purpose. Anderson was not keen it seems on taking Tull in that direction but it had to happen anyway.
I seem to remember it being NO1 on the chart in the early days. I can remember even starting a thread asking was it really the best prog album.
 
My comment is not a hate against TAAB, I just simply feel Aqualung is the best album JT ever recorded. TAAB has it's moments and is a wonderful listen but for me I can't simply pull it off the shelf and set it on the turntable anytime, with Aqualung I can listen to it at anytime.
I am not sure about No1 for TAAB, but what always boggled my mind was APP came out as No1 on Billboard but only like No18 on UK charts in '73.
See to me Aqualung set the tone for TAAB and APP, if not for Aqua the others two that followed may have been different or just another couple ok albums....Props go to those that came before.


Simply, IMHO, Aqualung is a great, classic rock album; TAAB is a brilliant, upbeat progressive rock album; APP is a superb, serious progressive rock album. Full stop.
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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


WHO CARES ????



Dudes,
Stop looking at these PA top whatever lists (they're rigged, skewed, fixed and cheated anywaysClown), it ruins your brains and waste your life


Exactly

I didn't decide to make the album ranking. The founders of the site decided it, it wasn't me.

And I'm sure that when a person comes to the site, the first or second thing he looks is the Top 100 album chart. 
Chart that is continuously fed by every review: every time I write one, I am obliged to give a rating: 1 star, two stars, ... or 5 stars. And this vote can change the ranking. 


So, I don't think "Who Cares" question makes sense. 

Because if really no one cares about the chart and putting the stars on the albums, then ask to abolish the chart, and to make reviews without giving a rating with 1 star, two stars... or 5 stars.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

WYWH is brilliant, and Aqualung should be head and shoulders over TAAB.


Um no. Loco breath, Wind up and My God are just standard compositions. Taab is genius. I think you need to be over 40 to understand. Although only some 40 + are smart   

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My Side 2 of Aqualung would look like
 
My God quad
Up the pool
Hymn 43
Wondring again
For later
 
With Locomotive breath being the single LOL


Edited by dr prog - August 02 2019 at 20:53
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
WHO CARES ????



Dudes,
Stop looking at these PA top whatever lists (they're rigged, skewed, fixed and cheated anywaysClown), it ruins your brains and waste your life

Wait...you mean we DON'T have to derive our sense of self (and esteem) from defending arbitrary personal qualities we subjectively deem elitist/the standard for prog rock excellence?! WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO DO?! LOLClap

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am I rude if I say I do not care?
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

With my review, just posted, http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=2241329 , I saw that (I think for the first time) Wish You Were has overtaken Thick As A Brick, which slipped to fourth place.

In this regard, in the last 4 years I have seen some trends within the Top 10.

Four years ago, Thick As A Brick was in second place, then it moved to the third, overtaken by Selling England By The Pound and finally, after being approached slowly by WYWH, today he moved to the fourth (perhaps it would take only one review by a prog reviewer with 5 stars to make him recover). I also noticed another trend: Nursery Crime 4 years ago was in the top 10, I think even in eighth place (or ninth?), today it is the thirteenth: his was a long descent. It has benefited Godbluff who was eleventh place four years ago and is now in tenth, so fortunately the Van Der Graaf have an album (in my opinion the wrong one) in the top 10.


Incidentally, I contributed with my reviews to both trends: 4 years ago I gave Thick As A Brick three stars, contributing to lowering the score, and almost a year ago I gave three stars to Nursery Crime, helping to bring it down to score. Just like today with the 5 stars given to Wish You Were, I helped make it move to third place. Obviously, this is neither a merit nor a demerit on my part, I am only pointing out the fact that I participated in a trend (right or wrong according to taste) to which several reviewers contributed, and therefore with this post I limit myself to point out this trend because many internet users who come to this site first look at the top 10 (or 20) albums at all times, and therefore this ranking is a sort of PA presentation, so I think it's important to be aware of the historical variations that is having.

I can remember playing guitar to the song WYWH in college with a buddy who could really sing.  Beautifully crafted heartfelt lyrics and a poignant reminder of those who check out in life.  
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Agree with the who cares comment. Does it really matter? 
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So Wish You Were Here is being recommended just because it has over taken Thick As A Brick? LOL 
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No idea when was the last time I've taken a look at that list.
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i don't put too much stock in ratings anymore (global or otherwise) because everyone should have their own opinion
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I am very surprised by these comments in the name of "Who cares?" about the top 10 albums of all times. 

I wonder: then why do you participate in the various Prog polls ant Top 10 lists where what we/you do are always rankings?

More specifically, this thread is inspired to another, closed some days ago: "Thick As A Brick: ovverated on Progarchives", the author wrote in his first comments:

"I will never understand why this album is so highly rated, its ranked at number 3. That means that its supposed to be better than Wish you were Here, In The Court of, Foxtrot etc..."


That threads contains 114 comments, including those of you who write "Who cares" here. 

Isn't that weird? Wacko






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Well there's no issue in debate and discussion, but i think in terms of objective ratings everyone's allowed to have an opinion. So yeah, dismissing things as who cares probably isn't fair either.
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The Dark Side of the Moon should be in first position imo...it is not and I don't care.
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In a popular poll of prog albums, definitley Dark Side should (and would) be on first position. In a poll of prog fans, it's CttE and the ones that actually are in the list of this site.
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What's the difference?

Higher level of musicianship and more complexity doesn't mean better. Dark Side hits all the right notes and is definitely superior to CTTE afaic.
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