another non prog band slips thru

Ty1020 wrote: King of Loss wrote: Ty1020 wrote: King of Loss wrote: The Dillinger Escape Plan is NOTTTTT Prog, I repeat NOTTT Prog. Death is more Progressive than the Dillinger Escape Plan. How are they not progressive? Please, elaborate. How are they Progressive? Who cares about their "complex" time signatures and "wondering" style of music. How is Noisecore ever EVER considered Progressive? Then I guess Cult of Luna is also Progressive. Their complex arrangements, ever-changing odd time signatures, and insane, schitzophrenic style are what make them progressive. DEP isn't noisecore; the fact that you call them that makes me wonder if you've even listened to more than a couple of their songs.

Definitely Noisecore. I've listened to the album Calculating Infinity and own it, I think its a quite good album, but NOT PROGRESSIVE. Time signatures do not make you Progressive, because then Classical, Jazz and some Metal would be then Progressive.

I guess there are different ways to define "progressive" music. Why can't you simply tolerate these other definitions ... after all, strictly speaking no prog metal band is Prog Rock - ask philippe, he'd throw them all out of the archives. DEP's presence in the archives doesn't hurt anybody.

Ty1020 wrote: King of Loss wrote: Ty1020 wrote: King of Loss wrote: Ty1020 wrote: King of Loss wrote: The Dillinger Escape Plan is NOTTTTT Prog, I repeat NOTTT Prog. Death is more Progressive than the Dillinger Escape Plan. How are they not progressive? Please, elaborate. How are they Progressive? Who cares about their "complex" time signatures and "wondering" style of music. How is Noisecore ever EVER considered Progressive? Then I guess Cult of Luna is also Progressive. Their complex arrangements, ever-changing odd time signatures, and insane, schitzophrenic style are what make them progressive. DEP isn't noisecore; the fact that you call them that makes me wonder if you've even listened to more than a couple of their songs. Definitely Noisecore. I've listened to the album Calculating Infinity and own it, I think its a quite good album, but NOT PROGRESSIVE. Time signatures do not make you Progressive, because then Classical, Jazz and some Metal would be then Progressive. That's their first album, is it not? I'm not sure, I haven't heard it, so I can't really comment on it, but Irony Is A Dead Scene and Miss Machine are definitely not noisecore. Moreover, if you want to talk about what's really progressive, then most of the bands here shouldn't be in the archives, because technically they're not doing anything new. However, bands like Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, TFK, POS, and so on all fit the criteria of what "prog rock" is, so they're here. DEP also fits that criteria, and as such, should be included on this site.

As I've said earlier Progressive Rock is very vague, but there are distinctive sounds to it. Their first album is extremely brutal and a lot of time changes at the same time. It sounds like a combination of Post-Hardcore, Atheist, Cynic and Noisy Grindcore. Their new albums are very much mellowed up compared to that crazy album, you should hear it. It's really chaotic.

Man Overboard wrote: Yeah, I was disappointed by Miss Machine.  It sounded too much like, well, metalcore.

Well, they tour with masses of Metalcore bands before this next gig which I'll be seeing soon....

Their second album has metalcorish songs but it has their trademark crazy songs.

I know they are considered mathematical metalcore...

I can't analyze their music to the level of bass plays in this time signature and guitars in this one but you can hear how complex, and even structured their music after all is.