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Posted: December 08 2015 at 11:23

~~http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50005~~

1. Echoes Pt. 1 (19:27)
2. Echoes Pt. 2 / Childhood's End (18:19)

~~Total Time 37:46~~

~~http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50899~~

~~should not be under EP's but a studio album~~

1. Spider Island (5:15)
2. New Dark Age (14:10)
3. Echoes PT. 1 (Pink Floyd cover) (19:18)
4. Echoes PT. 2 (Pink Floyd cover) (18:18)

~~Total Time 57:01~~

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Posted: December 08 2015 at 16:31

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=53

- Masey Hattori / Grand pianos, Yamaha CP-70 & Fender Rhodes electric pianos, spinet, celeste, Hammond organ, Hohner clavinet, synthesizers (MiniMoog, PolyMoog, Solina string ensemble, Korg, Roland, Oberheim), vocoder, Mellotron
- Hiroshi Natori / drums, percussion, crystal gong
- Masahiro Torigaki / bass, effects
- Yozox Yamamoto / acoustic & electric guitars

some keys missing, others not correct, gave a general cleaning (again, strings mentioned by confusion with the solina, we've seen a few already)

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I've only changed Solina string ensemble to Solina because the cover does not specify is it string ensemble or some other Solina instrument.

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Posted: December 09 2015 at 16:20

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4394

we can't keep this mess (but preserved the order to make it easier to follow the E&O)

- Sascha Paeth / producer & arrangments, guitars (4,5,6,8,10,11), bass (6), organ (13), back vocals (5)
- Robert Hunecke Rizzo / producer & arrangements, piano (9,12,14), drums, guitars (all tracks exc. 3,6,11,15), bass, keyboards (2,5,7,8,9,15), back vocals (4,11)
- Amanda Somerville / story & lyrics, vocals (3,7,12), choirs
- Michael 'Miro' Rodenberg / arrangements, piano (14)

--- Instrumental ---
- Jens Johansson (ex-YNGWIE MALMSTEEN, STRATOVARIUS) / lead keyboards (2)
- Erno 'Emppu' Vuorinen (NIGHTWISH) / lead guitars (13)
- Thomas Youngblood (KAMELOT) / lead guitars (12)
- T.M. Stevens (STEVE VAI, TINA TURNER) / bass (10)
- Derek Sherinian (ex-DREAM THEATER, PLANET X) / lead keyboards (7)
- Erik Norlander (LANA LANE, ROCKET SCIENTISTS) / lead keyboards (13)
- Axel Naschke (GAMMA RAY) / organ (10)
- Olaf Reitmeier (VIRGO) / acoustic guitar (2,11)

--- Vocals ---
- Sebastian Thomson / The Storyteller (2,3)
- Glenn Hughes (DEEP PURPLE, BLACK SABBATH) / Talon (4,7,8,13)
- Candice Night (BLACKMORE'S NIGHT) / Oria (7,9)
- Tobias Sammet (EDGUY, AVANTASIA) / Narrator (4), back vocals (13)
- Marko Hietala (TAROT, NIGHTWISH) / Syrius (14)
- Michael Kiske (ex-HELLOWEEN, SUPARED) / Narrator (2,3,11,15)
- Olaf Hayer (LUCA TURILLI, DIONYSUS) / Baktuk (7)
- Damian Wilson (ex-THRESHOLD, AYREON) / King Taetius (2)
- Andre Matos (ex-ANGRA, SHAMAN) / Tyran (8)
- Thomas Rettke (ex-HEAVEN'S GATE) / Torek (4,5,6) & Sorvahr (6,7,10,14)
- Simone Simons (EPICA) / Mezzo Soprano (15)
- Sass Jordan / Oriana (14)
- The Trinity School Boys Choir / Angelic Ainae Choir (2,3,7,11,15) + David Swinson / cond.
- Ann Shee / choir
- Oliver Hartmann (EMPTY TREMOR, ex-AT VANCE) / choir vocals (as "The Prophets")
- Herbie Langhans (SEVENTH AVENUE) / choirvocals (as "The Prophets")
- Cinzia Hunecke Rizzo / backing vocals (7,12)
- Rannveig Sif Sigurdardóttir / soprano (7,12,14)
- Nicholas Westerman / vocals (11)

see these two, but couldn't find the booklet in the web (wiki is not of great use on this issue)

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Aina/Days_of_Rising_Doom/34801

http://www.discogs.com/Aina-Days-Of-Rising-Doom-The-Metal-Opera/release/1066422

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Posted: December 09 2015 at 19:28

~~^ It was in PA credits:~~

--- Vocals ---
........................................
- Krakhon Choir
- Ann Shee / director

~~......................................~~

~~You suggest:~~

~~......................................~~

~~- Ann Shee / choir~~

~~.....................................~~

~~Looks like Krakhon Choir is omitted.~~

~~Looking at MA page I think it should be:~~

~~- Krakhon Choir / choir (5 - 7, 10, 14)~~

~~- Ann Shee / Krakhon Choir director (5 - 7, 10, 14)~~

~~Right?~~

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Posted: December 10 2015 at 04:33

a) The designation Krakhon choir refers not to a choir of the real life but in fact is the name of a story character, exists with such name only in the plot, the actual choir being provided by several singers individually identified as such.

b) That condition of "director" is not confirmed, but if it would be mentioned I suggest simply as "choir director" on account of the reason above.

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Posted: December 10 2015 at 11:18

these (doubtful) credits came from Allmusic, but are not substantiated in other more credible sources and have contradictions with original LP

I think we can make better, either minimal (sticking strictly to the cover info) or obtaining a common denominator from compiling different sources (my suggestion - including the present on PA)

what do you think, is it worth the effort?

take a look at my proposal

- Kevin Ayers / guitars (electric,Spanish, Hawaian & Italian), bass, vocals

With

- Robert Wyatt / drums (excl. 6,9)
- David Bedford / piano, keyboards, vocals, arrangements
- Paul Buckmaster / Cello
- Jeff Clyne / Bass
- Hugh Hopper / Bass (5)
- Paul Minns / Oboe (2)
- Sean Murphy

- Ian Knight

- Mike Ratledge / keyboards (5,6)
- Rob Tait / drums (6,9)
- Jean & Mary / vocals

Note: Buckmaster and Clyne are surely plausible but not specifically credited or referenced (nowhere I could find), maybe leave them with the note "uncredited" ? (I admit someone knew better and posted, so discard seems a little bully)
Knight and Murphy are a different case - thanked in the cover but with no attribution (and if were musicians have left no trace) leads us to think they were not instrumentists but with anyother role in the recording.

How could be made a reference to the other instruments used in the recording (remains the doubt who played what, surely the majority by KA himself, BUT...) : celeste, tambourine, organ, alto melodica, electronics, trombone, flute, piccolo, recorder, mouth organ, kazoo, cello ?

http://www.discogs.com/Kevin-Ayers-Joy-Of-A-Toy/release/851617

http://www.kevin-ayers.com/about.html

http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_of_a_Toy

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Knight, Murphy and "ownerless" instruments not included.

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Posted: December 10 2015 at 16:43

^ Jose, you know, I or my teammates can't be familiar with the history of all of these thousands of bands included in our database.

In this particular case I'd like to know why these musicians

- Paul Buckmaster / Cello
- Jeff Clyne / Bass

should be excluded, better with quotes and links to sources.

Otherwise I have to read and analyse the pages you've probably read and analysed before making your post. You've spent hours to get this info, then I have to spend hours to check it. I don't think it's productive.

You probably noticed that in most cases I correct reported errors and additionally update the whole album info. Because if I will not do it now I will never return to this or that particular album.

If you ask my opinion what's worth the effort, I would say (in general):

1. Correct titles and cover images (obviously).

2. Tracks' times.

3. Media:

- for old records it's helpful to know whether they were reissued on CD and (mostly for younger listeners) are they available as digital downloads;

- vice versa, for new records it's important to know do physical copies (CD, DVD etc) exist.

4. Release dates and reissues - editions with bonus tracks (bonus features) are especially interesting. For the album in question, there is a re-edition featuring Syd Barrett: http://www.discogs.com/Kevin-Ayers-Joy-Of-A-Toy/release/1082112. I think it's worth to be mentioned.

5. Guests - "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".

For example, nobody knows who Jean & Mary are and very few care were they singing on all or only some tracks. But if we see big names (John Wetton, Robert Plant ... add your favourite artist) any fan could see the difference between - John Wetton / lead vocals (3) and - John Wetton / lead vocals. The latter supposes that he sang on all tracks and this fact is a good reason for fans to check the album.

Perhaps I make things too complex, but it's how I see the work of our team.

I don't (and can't) demand all this info from you or other people helping to improve PA database. But when suggestions are easy to check, it's very helpful. We'll correct errors and then do the rest by ourselves.

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Posted: December 11 2015 at 13:04

http:// www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8570

I'm pretty sure you weren't planning to go back to that headache of 'Joy of a Toy' but the reference to Syd Barrett, only now I noticed, needs to be corrected from track 14 to track 11 (was it already there? it slipped my attention before)

- Syd Barrett / guitar (11)

If you go there then I suggest, since the two singing girls ended up by being credited, that you include the track (sorry not having done it the first time), that way our effort to completeness makes a little more sense.

- Jean & Mary / vocals (9)

E&O Team: Thanks, you're right. Done.

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Posted: December 11 2015 at 16:40

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=43963

Wrong album cover, and there are many other singles and albums that are missing from this band's list

https://threewisemonkeys.bandcamp.com/music

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Hope sooner or later volunteers will add missing albums.

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Posted: December 11 2015 at 18:01

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24913

should be under compilations

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Posted: December 11 2015 at 19:18

^ Thanks, but I don't think so.

UH classics were re-recorded in studio by 2009 line-up (plus 1 new song recorded for this release).

Well, it's not a proper studio album (like "Look at Yourself", "Sea of Light", "Wake the Sleeper" etc), but it's a studio album. We don't have another category for such releases.

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Posted: December 12 2015 at 11:07

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2272

this is the american version with 18+16 tracks (the one included in PA)
http://www.discogs.com/Alan-Parsons-Project-The-Definitive-Collection/release/2113025

this is the european version with 16+16 tracks (the same as US except missing the first two from cd1)
http://www.discogs.com/Alan-Parsons-Project-The-Definitive-Collection/release/357903

the latter is identical to another compilation (belgium edition) with diff name "Works"
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10206

the correct credits for the 3 albums (except Europe rel. misses the first two tracks from cd1)

- Alan Parsons /recorders (1-1), cathedral organ (1-1), lead vocals (1-2,18), Projectron (1-3,5,17) & Synthi-A sequencer programming (1-3), Rhodes (1-7), Fairlight (2-1,2,4,7,8), keyboards, synthesizer (2-15,16), guitar (1-13), acoustic guitar (1-5,10), back vocals (1-9, 2-15), autoharp (1-13), drum machine (1-13, 2-4,8), FX Compilation (1-13), DX7 Clav sequencer (2-10), scientist voice (2-11)

- Lenny Zakatek / vocals (1-4,12,17, 2-8,14), vocal FX (1-17)
- Elmer Gantry / vocals (2-3)
- Dean Ford / vocals (1-8,10)
- Jack Harris / vocals (1-11), back vocals (1-1, 2-3)
- Lesley Duncan / vocals (1-14)
- Geoff Barradale / vocals (2-13)
- Colin Blunstone / vocals (1-9, 2-5)
- Allan Clarke / vocals (1-5)
- Leonard Whiting / EMI vocoder (1-2)
- Chris Rainbow / vocals (1-15,16, 2-10), back vocals (1-14, 2-2,6,7,9,11,13,14,17,18), keyboards (2-7)
- Chris Thompson / vocals (2-15)
- David Townsend / vocals (1-6)
- John Miles / vocals (1-1, 2-11,12), guitar (1-1)
- Jacqueline Copeland / back vocals (2-15)
- Hillary Western / soprano vocal (1-3)
- Mr. Laser Beam / speaking part (2-9)

- The English Chorale / choir (1-2,3,8, 2-3)
- The New Philharmonia Chorus (1-5)
- Bob Howes / choirmaster (1-2,3,5,8, 2-3), conductor (1-2)
- Munich Chamber Opera orchestra (Leader – Sandor Farcas) / (1-12,13,14,15,18)

- Eric Woolfson / keyboards (1-1,2,17, 2-1,3,7,8,10), clavinet (1-3), Rhodes (1-4,8), Wurlitzer (1-4,5,12, 2-2,6), piano (1-6,10,14,15,16,18, 2-5,9), organ (1-6,14, 2-5), harpsichord (1-15), Projectron (1-7), clavichord (1-9), virginal (1-9), jangle piano (1-11), DX7 Rhodes (2-11), vocals (1-18, 2-2,6,7), back vocals (1-2,9,10, 2-7,11)
– Andrew Powell / bass (2-16), synth (2-16), autoharp (1-9), orchestra arranger & conductor (1-2,5,6,8,9,12,13,14,15,18, 2-1,3,4,5,11), choir arranger & conductor (1-3,5,8,13, 2-3), brass band arranger & conductor (2-5)
- Richard "Trix" Cottle / synths (2-9,11,12,13,14,15), sequencer (2-11), keyboards (2-10) , saxes (2-10,16)
– Christopher North / keyboards (1-2)
– Billy Lyall / piano (1-1)
- Haydn Bendall / keyboards (2-1)
– Duncan Mackay / synths (1-3,5,7,10,11,12,13), synth tuba & honky-tonk solos (1-11)
– David Pack / guitar (1-2)
- David Paton / bass (all exc. 1-2, 2-13,14,15,16), acoustic guitar (1-8,10,18, 2-7), vocals (1-8, 2-9), back vocals (1-9,10)
- Ian Bairnson / bass (2-15), electric (all), & acoustic guitars (1-5,8,10,18, 2-2,6,7), guitar synth (2-8,11,15), back vocals (2-3,15)
- Joe Puerta / bass (1-2)
- Laurie Cottle / bass (2-13,14)
- Stuart Elliott / drums, percussion (all exc. 1-2,5,6)
– Burleigh Drummond / drums (1-2)
- Stuart Tosh / drums, percussion (1-5,6)
- Mel Collins / saxophone (2-5,7)
– John Wallace / piccolo trumpet (1-6)
– Graham Preskett / fiddle (2-16), mandolin (2-16)
- John Leach / cimbalom (1-3), kantele (1-3,7)

credits online are unreadable, so check in official website (new one posted recently, older incorrect) but you have to go track by track Disapprove

tell me if I can give further help

http://www.the-alan-parsons-project.com/tales-of-mystery-and-imagination

E&O Team: Thanks, done.

Less detailed though:

"Works": http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10206

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Posted: December 12 2015 at 11:33

~~^ Thanks, but I'll make of this something less detailed.~~

~~Otherwise it's too confusing. Examples:~~

- Alan Parsons /recorders (1-1), cathedral organ (1-1), lead vocals (1-2,18), Projectron (1-3,5,17) & Synthi-A sequencer programming (1-3), Rhodes (1-7), Fairlight (2-1,2,4,7,8), keyboards, synthesizer (2-15,16), guitar (1-13), acoustic guitar (1-5,10), back vocals (1-9, 2-15), autoharp (1-13), drum machine (1-13, 2-4,8), FX Compilation (1-13), DX7 Clav sequencer (2-10), scientist voice (2-11)

- Eric Woolfson / keyboards (1-1,2,17, 2-1,3,7,8,10), clavinet (1-3), Rhodes (1-4,8), Wurlitzer (1-4,5,12, 2-2,6), piano (1-6,10,14,15,16,18, 2-5,9), organ (1-6,14, 2-5), harpsichord (1-15), Projectron (1-7), clavichord (1-9), virginal (1-9), jangle piano (1-11), DX7 Rhodes (2-11), vocals (1-18, 2-2,6,7), back vocals (1-2,9,10, 2-7,11)

Organs, synths, pianos etc are keyboards too. "keyboards (1-1,2,17, 2-1,3,7,8,10), clavinet (1-3), Rhodes (1-4,8)..." is a strange mix. Either decipher everything or keep more general description like: "keyboards (organs, synths, pianos, ...)". I prefer the latter.

~~Special thanks for the suggestion to follow the site track by track. I hope I'll finish it in the first half of the next year.~~

~~José, specifying instruments on each track for original albums makes sense, but doing the same for multy-disc compilations is too much!~~

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Posted: December 12 2015 at 12:32

^ Agreed,
just showed all that I have
do you want me to do the editing under the guidelines you pointed at and then post again ?

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Posted: December 12 2015 at 12:38

~~^ Thanks, José.~~

~~I'm already working with your list, I think it's not necessary for you to do the same.~~

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Posted: December 12 2015 at 12:42

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5444

I thought we had done this already, seems not

- Vincent Cavanagh / vocals, guitar
- Daniel Cavanagh / electric & acoustic guitars, keyboards, vocals (7)
- Dave Pybus / bass
- John Douglas / drums ~~and percussion~~

With
- Lee Douglas / vocals (7,9)
- Dario Patti / piano (12)

http://www.discogs.com/Anathema-Judgement/master/27566

look at the credits but also the ´thank yous´

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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36689

some relevant omissions and other useful details

- Vincent Cavanagh / lead & backing vocals, keyboards (1,3,5,9), guitar (6), bass (6), synthesizer (6), strings arrangements (6), programming
- Daniel Cavanagh / electric & acoustic guitars, keyboards (1,3,5), piano, bass (4,5,9), lead vocals (5)
- Lee Douglas / lead & backing vocals
- John Douglas / drums (exc. 1,3); synths and programming (6)

Guest musicians:
- Christer-André Cederberg / bass (exc. 4,6,9), outro piano (7)
- Wetle Holte / drums (1,3)
- Jamie Cavanagh / bass (6)
- Petter Carlsen / backing vocals (1,2)
- Joe Geraci / narrator (9)
- The London Session Orchestra / strings
- Perry Montague-Mason / strings leader
- Dave Stewart / strings arrangements

http://www.discogs.com/Anathema-Weather-Systems/release/3566106

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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4305

- Jon Anderson / lead vocals
- Bill Bruford / acoustic & electronic drums
- Rick Wakeman / keyboards
- Steve Howe / guitar

With
- Tony Levin / bass, stick bass, vocals
- Milton McDonald / rhythm guitar
- Matt Clifford / keyboards, vocals, orchestrations, programming
- Texas Joe Hammer / percussion programming
- Oxford Circus Singers: Carol Kenyon, Deborah Anderson, Frank Dunnery, Tessa Niles / backing vocals
- J.M.C. Singers: Jon, Matt, Chris / backing vocals
- Emerald Community Singers (Montserrat) / backing vocals

http://www.discogs.com/Anderson-Bruford-Wakeman-Howe-Anderson-Bruford-Wakeman-Howe/release /746702

see the images, top left

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Posted: December 12 2015 at 15:43

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64

- Jan Erik Liljeström / bass, vocals
- Nicklas Berg / guitar, Mellotron
- Peter Nordins / drums, percussion
- Anna Sofi Dahlberg / Mellotron, cello, vocals

With
- Per Wiberg - grand piano
- Pär Ekström / flugelhorn, cornet

http://www.discogs.com/Anekdoten-Vemod/release/4844577

look inside, top left

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