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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2008 at 00:57
^Well, I think you may possibly be onto something, there, but Dream was not the first Prog Metal band, and while I do think that Images and Words was an important album for the genre (just read my review of it), it was also the only completely original work from start to finish that they ever did.. My opinion.
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Points: 21596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2008 at 02:30
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

DT's second  album, at least as far as I can tell, the watershed for prog metal. Queensryche and Fates Warning were beating around the bush with 80s power prog, but Images and Words (and even their first album, I guess) first signified true prog metal to me. But I'm not an expert on the genre, I suppose.


Listen to Fates Warning's Parallels, it's not Power Metal at all. Quite eclectic actually.Smile
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2008 at 14:52
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Rush, Queensryche, Fates Warning = Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Symphony X, Pain of Salvation = Modern Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Dream Theater = Very good copycats
 
 
 
 
*braces self for attacks*


Please say you are kidding. Its the same thing as saying that King Crimson is a copycat of jazz (at least on the 1st and the 2nd albums)

I mean, i really like Pain of Salvation and Symphony X, but justice is not being made to Dream Theater.
 
I'm really not kidding. I listened to two new prog rock records today (A Kansas album and a Gabriel album), and already I could hear something from each that Dream Theater re-used on their Six Degrees album.
 
I'm not saying I don't like them, but they really aren't as prolific as folks seem to think.


ok then, so lets put prog in perspective: you can hear a lot of prog influences (if not all) on jazz, blues, rock, classical music, folk music, and a lot more. The Beatles, Bach, Beethoven, Debussy, etc were much more revolutionary and influent.

Basically, prog musicians didn't made anything quite as revolutionary as those guys or the blues and jazz pioneers, but they (prog musicians) put things together that had never been put together before. Same thing with prog metal: the things they do have been done before separately, but they are the ones who put  those separate things together.

Dream theater was not the fist one to do prog metal, so neither was Yes nor Genesis the fist ones to make prog and that is clear. But to deny the importance of these bands (Yes, Genesis, Dream Theater or whatever) and say that Dream Theater is a copycat is to see it only through one perspective. Seeing by that perspective, Symphony x is also a copycat of power metal bands with a classical music touch.
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