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eloymaster 
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 Posted: February 27 2011 at 14:08 |
Well, I never liked this strange sounding vocals before I got into OPETH. This band is outstanding and they mix straight vocals and growling. And for this music - I don't care. It's great! 
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40footwolf
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Posted: February 27 2011 at 14:05 |
In metal I'll take a growl over clean vocals any day. Go all the way or don't make this kind of music at all.
ETA: I should say that I have no problem with clean vocals in stoner/doom bands like The Melvins, Kyuss and Boris. But then you also have bands where there's kind of a middle ground between clean and growling, like High on Fire and Electric Wizard.
Edited by 40footwolf - February 27 2011 at 14:20
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: February 27 2011 at 12:57 |
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Clean all the way for me:) I think Opeth would be amazing if Akerfeld sang cleanly! I can't take the cookie monster growls seriously and it ruins the music. |
I agree with you. The Exorcist growls detract from the composition; in fact, it's quite cliche at this point. Ozzie and Black Sabbath made ominous music without sounding like the second coming of Froggy the demon toad.
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Bonnek
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Posted: February 27 2011 at 11:54 |
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Interesting how hot this topic still is, not liking growls is understandable, dismissing them doesn't make sense.
Any type of vocals can work, growls have a more rhythmical function in music while clean vocals are usually more melodious, but both can be equally expressive and functional.
Edited by Bonnek - February 27 2011 at 11:54
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 27 2011 at 08:24 |
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They just can't get used to the thought that bands like Meshuggah, MoTW or Opeth are among the most innovative artists around, that they are truly progressive while most of their idols from the past can't come up with anything creative.
Don't get me wrong, I like prog classics like Genesis or Jethro Tull, but they're CLASSICs, their time has passed - it's obvious that there has to be someone to come up with new ideas and new ways of musical expression.
But there always has to be a group of haughty prog purists who, paradoxically, don't accept novelties! |
That is, if they truly are. I won't comment on MoTW because I haven't heard it but as for the other two, they are making something original but whether they are necessarily amongst the most innovative artists around in a general sense is a matter of debate and surely not set in stone. And new ways of musical expression - sorry, I don't hear anything that drastically different in terms of expression from 80s and 90s metal overall in either band's music. And while they may be more original as of the present day than what some washed out prog rock bands from the 70s are up to now, I don't think they are as progressive as KC or Can at their best. That is just my opinion and since I am a metalhead, you'll find it harder to change mine than of progheads who don't like metal. While I understand that people don't like growls, it doesn't mean it's justified to write off bands with growls so I am with you on that, but let's not infer resentment on that count.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: February 27 2011 at 04:20 |
A combination of clean, death growls, screams, crazy rappingand funny noises. Like in Sikth. Basically as much variety as possible 
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Porcupinetheater
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 23:15 |
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Scar Symmetry is the perfect blend of clean and death in my honest opinion; "Pitch Black Progress" is the album to check out. |
Scar Symmetry is definitely great when it comes to such a combination, but I still find myself preferring Mikael Akerfeldt's vocal work in Opeth, overall.
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 22:57 |
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Scar Symmetry is the perfect blend of clean and death in my honest opinion; "Pitch Black Progress" is the album to check out.
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Porcupinetheater
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 22:04 |
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I honestly don't think there's really a cut and dry answer to this question. Quite honestly, sometimes the death growl fits the mood of a piece better than clean singing ever would, and vice-versa. They both have their place, and have both been used by bands to great effect.
That being said, usually when I'm listening to a great song that utilized both cleans and death growls, I generally find myself enjoying the cleanly sung portions a tad more, so I guess I have to make that my ultimate decision.
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Repner
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 16:23 |
bartosso wrote:
Repner wrote:
RoyFairbank wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
How is this even a question?
Can we please get the metal guys the hell out of prog, please? |
Seconded and Thirded
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Right. Hey guys, manofmystery doesn't approve. Guess we have to quit now, right?
I knew there was a reason I can never stay interested enough to post on this forum. Everytime I come back I notice how everyone thinks they're a bloody music guru
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They just can't get used to the thought that bands like Meshuggah, MoTW or Opeth are among the most innovative artists around, that they are truly progressive while most of their idols from the past can't come up with anything creative.
Don't get me wrong, I like prog classics like Genesis or Jethro Tull, but they're CLASSICs, their time has passed - it's obvious that there has to be someone to come up with new ideas and new ways of musical expression.
But there always has to be a group of haughty prog purists who, paradoxically, don't accept novelties! |
I can understand that they're not into it. I used to hate death metal vocals as well. It's just that everytime I come on this board I see people telling others what to think
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bartosso
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 15:37 |
Repner wrote:
RoyFairbank wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
How is this even a question?
Can we please get the metal guys the hell out of prog, please? |
Seconded and Thirded
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Right. Hey guys, manofmystery doesn't approve. Guess we have to quit now, right?
I knew there was a reason I can never stay interested enough to post on this forum. Everytime I come back I notice how everyone thinks they're a bloody music guru
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They just can't get used to the thought that bands like Meshuggah, MoTW or Opeth are among the most innovative artists around, that they are truly progressive while most of their idols from the past can't come up with anything creative.
Don't get me wrong, I like prog classics like Genesis or Jethro Tull, but they're CLASSICs, their time has passed - it's obvious that there has to be someone to come up with new ideas and new ways of musical expression.
But there always has to be a group of haughty prog purists who, paradoxically, don't accept novelties!
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Repner
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:22 |
RoyFairbank wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
How is this even a question?
Can we please get the metal guys the hell out of prog, please? |
Seconded and Thirded
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Right. Hey guys, manofmystery doesn't approve. Guess we have to quit now, right? I knew there was a reason I can never stay interested enough to post on this forum. Everytime I come back I notice how everyone thinks they're a bloody music guru
Edited by Repner - January 05 2011 at 13:30
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Repner
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:20 |
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I love both. I used to only really be into the clean vocals, but now I feel that each can serve a purpose. There are times I'll listen to a death metal album, and try to imagine clean vocals in it's place. Sometimes I can't imagine it working. It brings a special feel clean can't do.
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Harold-The-Barrel
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:09 |
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I'm not a Metal fan at all, so Death Growl in definitely out for me! I just don't get it, it all sounds the same to this old prog addict.
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You must be joking.....Take a running jump......
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:06 |
manofmystery wrote:
How is this even a question?
Can we please get the metal guys the hell out of prog, please? |
Seconded and Thirded
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manofmystery
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 21:56 |
How is this even a question?
Can we please get the metal guys the hell out of prog, please?
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bartosso
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 21:24 |
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I know I'm repeating myself but growling can be good and distinct, just listen to Opeth. I love clean vocals but I try to be objective - good, deep, distinctive growl is an admirable thing and it can enhance the music, sometimes. Still, I don't like Old MoTW growling or this grunting/growling.
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crimhead
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 17:44 |
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Clean vocals. I can't understand why someone would take the time and effort to write the lyrics only to have then where they cannot be understood. That's just me. If you want to growl then just play the music and don't sing.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 09:08 |
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Is this nugget still shining? Time for some new threads in the new year surely.
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Prog Geo
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Posted: January 01 2011 at 09:05 |
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Before a long time I would like to write something that Akerfeldt had said on Classic rock presents prog about fans of Opeth that don't like growls.Finally I decided to write it.
Akerfeldt[smiling]:If they don't like it then they are pussies.
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Clean Vocals or Death Growl? (Modern Prog)
