PA the only site to recognize J-R Fusion as Prog?

^ Of course you are correct, how could it be any other way? You are clearly the only one here with enough experience to say something intelligent about the subject. 

^Lol. I agree that it's not a matter of agreement. I know who I am discussing with. I recognise you in the way you speak with certainty about things you have only a passing interest, or have very limited knowledge about*. Anyway, since you obviously don't really know much Terje Rypdal, here's a couple of nice examples for you (and everyone else). Btw, I laughed when I googled and found the one of the songs I was looking for with THAT introduction (you'll see it once you click on the video):





*and of course how lazily you read other people's post before you make your own reply. That's your signature style:)

Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 25 2024 at 07:05

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^Lol. I agree that it's not a matter of agreement. I know who I am discussing with. I recognise you in the way you speak with certainty about things you have only a passing interest, or have very limited knowledge about*. Anyway, since you obviously don't really know much Terje Rypdal, *and of course how lazily you read other people's post before you make your own reply. That's your signature style:)

Aren't personal insults (how I read this) against PA guidelines/rules?

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^Lol. I agree that it's not a matter of agreement. I know who I am discussing with. I recognise you in the way you speak with certainty about things you have only a passing interest, or have very limited knowledge about*. Anyway, since you obviously don't really know much Terje Rypdal, here's a couple of nice examples for you (and everyone else). Btw, I laughed when I googled and found the one of the songs I was looking for with THAT introduction (you'll see it once you click on the video)

You can laugh or cry, but the owner and mastermind of ECM, Manfred Eicher, was very strict regarding the specific style of his label, and he only allowed David Torn to record a prog record for ECM. And that is the already mentioned "Cloud About Mercury." Terje Rypdal was indeed recording an experimental and interesting jazz fusion for ECM; no one denies that, but Manfred Eicher would never have allowed Rypdal's ethereal fusion to be organic enough to cross into the realm of prog, even if Rypdal might have once wanted it.

^^Don't take the words of ECM's owner for truth. What he claims have little relevance to what I hear. Try Love, Love or Lookout Farm. It's wonderful Jazz Rock Fusion (not Prog, but I never claimed it was).

Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 25 2024 at 07:48

moshkito wrote: PA is good, and PA is fine ... but we can not get away with thinking that we are not "fans" and that our comments are important ... they might be in another reality, but you really think a Frank Zappa, Robert Fripp and many "originals" care about what you and I say? Very doubtful ... they know what they are doing with their work ...

I'd rather none of them ever read any of my comments. I wouldn't want them to care about me or anyone here. I'm here as a passionate music lover. Often procastinating, always improvising and making things up as I'm typing without any plan or thought behind what I'm going to write. Maybe I'm reacting to claims or takes I agree or disagree with or whatever. I have opinions about music. Most of the time worthless takes. Just like the rest of you. But I can place them here:). When old threads are ressurected and I stumble over comments I've posted years ago, I've always forgotten all about them and I'm often embarrassed by what I've written. I don't even want the future me to see my comments:). The best I can hope for is improving my english skills, clearing my head and get better at explaining myself. In addition to learning about artists I was previously unaware of (of course). The artists we discuss should focus on their art. Not us.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 25 2024 at 12:45

siLLy puPPy wrote: As far as Rypdal goes, true there are PURE jazz albums with no rock but he definitely had albums with rock integrated into the mix.

If we're talking solo/bandleader albums: what are his PURE jazz albums again? I can't say I've ever come across any such album.

Starshiper wrote: There are a number of "proggy" jazz fusion albums in the ECM catalog; for instance, Solstice by Ralph Towner (in PA as well) perhaps sounds more "proggy" in the typical sense of the term than any record by Terje Rypdal, but hey, you know what? "Proggy" doesn't mean prog...

Ralph Towner is a beast. Ana comes 22 years after Solstice and may well be his finest hour.

If an artist expresses their personal opinions on a band or a specific style of music and their opinion is quite the opposite of people who show up at their gigs to see them play then those people can really get heated up. They might say..."Hey...I respected you...I came to your gigs...now you disappoint me:

I might be a musician but when I'm sitting listening to music I am no different than anybody else and either I like it or I don't. To me music is all about "feel". Or what it makes you feel. However it's a fact that a majority of people who respect your musicianship will be letdown if they discover that you don't prefer their favorite band. That's very sad.

As an artist you can be inspired to compose by nature. If you are in the forest ...near the ocean or in your backyard looking at the sky or the nightsky. You can create right on the spot when being exposed to nature's surroundings. In that sense you need to give up everything else. Turn off your phone...avoid gatherings or having friends around. Instead you, nature, and your instrument become one. You can write a Symphony which is inspiring that way.

Music is an art form that demands privacy and hours of devotion. It may turn out that your Symphony or Prog Rock suite is rewarding only to you and in the end it's pointless to promote yourself when your audience will be small regardless. You have to want to do it! It's fun! It gives you a good feeling.

It's always good to get back to your roots after being screwed by the music business. Think about when you took up an instrument and perhaps you were a child then. You worked your ass off to sound good ...to develop skill...but you weren't a whore for acceptance. Instead you were working towards something that sounded beautiful to your ears and was inspiring .

Imagine getting involved in the music business at age 18 though....and being surrounded by people who have little knowledge about music being a real art form and they want to make you force music to be something that it naturally isn't. They want to turn it into product regardless of how stupid it comes across. They want you to make music that is just made up B.S. and completely contrived. They are not the art form. They are responsible for musicians watering down Jazz...commercialized Rock in the late 70s and 80s...ignoring Prog and never supporting it.

Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - September 25 2024 at 11:32