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Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:06

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Camel didn't make Love Beach.

They also didn't make Black Moon and In the Hot Seat Wink

"Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl."

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:07

Originally posted by Kentucky_Hawkwindage

Kentucky_Hawkwindage wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

I voted for ELP but i don't anyone who handle Love Beach.That was indeed a bummer of an album.

hahaha!! Kentucky_Hawkwindage, I like ELP a lot too. Love Beach is the worst argument in stating how good they are hahaha!! The worst album they ever made really

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:12

Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

They also didn't make Black Moon and In the Hot Seat Wink

No they did not Molly ooops sorry Sean the Sheep :) you wooly fluffy thing! They did however produce Lady Fantasy and only Focus with Eruption can beat that

So many tracks, most stunning guitar tunes too. hug!

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:28

Kati wrote:

Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

They also didn't make Black Moon and In the Hot Seat Wink

No they did not Molly ooops sorry Sean the Sheep :) you wooly fluffy thing! They did however produce Lady Fantasy and only Focus with Eruption can beat that

So many tracks, most stunning guitar tunes too. hug!

And while ELP made In the Hot Seat Camel made great albums like Rajaz and Harbour of Tears.

....aaand it's a tie again.

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:36

Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

Kati wrote:

Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

They also didn't make Black Moon and In the Hot Seat Wink

No they did not Molly ooops sorry Sean the Sheep :) you wooly fluffy thing! They did however produce Lady Fantasy and only Focus with Eruption can beat that

So many tracks, most stunning guitar tunes too. hug!

And while ELP made In the Hot Seat Camel made great albums like Rajaz and Harbour of Tears.

....aaand it's a tie again.

and I don't want to mention the ELP sleeve designs...

I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 07:15

Kati wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

hihihi no offense but phew no they didn't hahaha, I do like ELP a lot but of all their album you had to pick that one

big hug to you, Stoolman

I didn't have to pick it Wink

I picked it because I wanted to make somebody laugh and somebody cry

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 07:21

Stool Man wrote:

Kati wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

hihihi no offense but phew no they didn't hahaha, I do like ELP a lot but of all their album you had to pick that one

big hug to you, Stoolman

I didn't have to pick it Wink

I picked it because I wanted to make somebody laugh and somebody cry

Stool Man

hahaha you made me laugh so much I cried hahaha!!!

a massive hug to you

hahaha thank you xxx

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 07:28

octopus-4 wrote:

Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

Kati wrote:

Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

They also didn't make Black Moon and In the Hot Seat Wink

No they did not Molly ooops sorry Sean the Sheep :) you wooly fluffy thing! They did however produce Lady Fantasy and only Focus with Eruption can beat that

So many tracks, most stunning guitar tunes too. hug!

And while ELP made In the Hot Seat Camel made great albums like Rajaz and Harbour of Tears.

....aaand it's a tie again.

and I don't want to mention the ELP sleeve designs...

Octopus-4 to be honest I am still kinda mesmerized by Brain Salad Surgery sleeve/artwork

big hug to you Octopus-4

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 09:16

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

Neither Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery.

Only the ones who take the risk can ruin an album.

Playing Pictures at an Exhibition before a myriad of hippies who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was, is a risk

Camel always played safe with soporiferous albums.

I can only listen Moonmadness without feeling an urge to go to sleep .

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 09:27

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

Neither Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery.

Only the ones who take the risk can ruin an album.

Playing Pictures at an Exhibition before a myriad of hippies who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was, is a risk

Camel always played safe with soporiferous albums.

I can only listen Moonmadness without feeling an urge to go to sleep .

Iván

Nice to hear you like Moonmadness anyway. Far superior to Mirage IMO

But now that I think of it, with every album showing distinct changes during the 1970s and 1980s, playing it safe isn't what comes to mind when thinking of Camel. I do think I know where you are coming from though. ELP was technically brilliant, just emotionally barren. I listen to music primarily for the emotions it stirs. Camel does it for me

Edited by kenethlevine - December 17 2014 at 09:31

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 09:29

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

Neither Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery.

Only the ones who take the risk can ruin an album.

Playing Pictures at an Exhibition before a myriad of hippies who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was, is a risk

Camel always played safe with soporiferous albums.

I can only listen Moonmadness without feeling an urge to go to sleep .

Iván

Kind of sums up my views, though I probably like Mirage more than any ELP album. Even Mirage was heavily derivative of a lot of Canterbury.

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 09:34

rogerthat wrote:

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Stool Man wrote:

Camel didn't make Love Beach.

Neither Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery.

Only the ones who take the risk can ruin an album.

Playing Pictures at an Exhibition before a myriad of hippies who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was, is a risk

Camel always played safe with soporiferous albums.

I can only listen Moonmadness without feeling an urge to go to sleep .

Iván

Kind of sums up my views, though I probably like Mirage more than any ELP album. Even Mirage was heavily derivative of a lot of Canterbury.

this I dedicate to 3 of you

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Camel - Lunar Sea 1976 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFyEwZY0M8

Edited by Kati - December 17 2014 at 09:35

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 09:38

I prefer Chord Change from that album.

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 09:45

ELP is a 3 member band, great one but they lacked a guitarist. Camel had a great guitarist.

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 10:21

I think lacking a guitarist takes a band closer to the prog end of 'prog rock', although Lake did some lead guitar duties as well

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 10:30

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I think lacking a guitarist takes a band closer to the prog end of 'prog rock', although Lake did some lead guitar duties as well

how do you figure? The vast majority of prog bands have and had a lead guitarist. ELP was a prototype that was followed by a notable minority of bands in the 1970s but not many today. Even then, most abandoned this as time went by. That sound has not aged well, nor has it for most heavily keyboard oriented bands in the day, like Triumvirat, Supertramp, Rick Wakeman, and others. Somehow though, Le Orme still sounds good, possibly because of their emotion

Edited by kenethlevine - December 17 2014 at 10:33

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 11:45

VDGG and Renaissance too...but nah, lacking a killer guitarist is never a plus.

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 12:02

Friday13th wrote:

VDGG and Renaissance too...but nah, lacking a killer guitarist is never a plus.

while Renaissance didn't have a killer guitarist, at least they always had a full time guitarist, even if he only played acoustic guitar for most of his tenure. I and my colleague ClemofNazareth might be in the minority, but we both rated "A Song for all Seasons" as their best, and part of that had to do with the lead guitar presence.

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 12:07

kenethlevine wrote:

Friday13th wrote:

VDGG and Renaissance too...but nah, lacking a killer guitarist is never a plus.

A permanent guitarist without any input is not interesting to me, for instance even Alice Cooper who is a rock metal band not prog, had two guitarists playing at the same time, good ones.

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Edited by Kati - December 17 2014 at 12:08

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Posted: December 17 2014 at 12:08

I was just deconstructing 'progressive' and 'rock'. The basic rock group instrumentation features guitar rather than other lead instruments, and I would argue that as rock has progressed there is less reliance on the guitar as the lead instrument. I don't think the sound has dated, far from it. More experimental (progressive) groups in their creative phases did not consider a guitar as a necessity - Soft Machine, Univers Zero etc. or use it as part of a rhythm section (i.e. Magma). I just think it slightly disingenuous to criticise ELP for not having a lead guitarist (although apparently Hendrix wanted to join...)

Poll Question: Really? PICK ELP !!!!!!!
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Emerson Lake and Palmer	60	[48.78%]
Camel	63	[51.22%]
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