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    Posted: January 10 2009 at 05:47
One of te artists from the original master list of bands to add to the site is Gary Numan. I would suspect the reason for him being on that list are the albums Replicas and The Pleasure Principle in particular.

Any thoughts on whether or not he would be a good inclusion - or even if he's relevant as a prog artist 5 years after it was stated that he was going to be added to the archives?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 11:44
Wow, Gary Numan was approved for addition?  I'm a fan, and have a number of Numan albums, but his addition would be a real stretch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 11:46
Not approved, but on Max' list of artists to be added :-)

The old one last updated in 2004 - remaining here for archival purposes ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 11:52
I see it, but it says above the list:

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:


Hello Prog Fans,

Here is a compilation of the band you suggested to us to add:
(if you have other suggestion, post in this thread)

**Please note that if you send us BIOGRAPHIES and DISCOGRAPHIES of thoses
suggested bands/artist, we will add them faster to the site.

Remember that NOT all thoses bands will be added ... suggested band will be evaluated first if they deserve a place in the PROGARCHIVES....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 13:40
NUMAN ON P.A.? It has to be a joke!
I mean: from all I can hear from Numan, I hardly can count him as a prog-related musician. I would even dare to say that his music is very poor, in comparison to Kraftwerk or the early Human League.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 13:56
People mention a lot of very questionable stuff (most of the suggestions in this thread, CLICK, were excellent by the way), and that list contains suggestions to be considered, but as it was made clear, it didn't indicate (see the first post) that it was to be added. "Remember that NOT all thoses bands will be added ... suggested band will be evaluated first if they deserve a place in the PROGARCHIVES...."  I couldn't even find a dedicated thread to Numan.  Perhaps deeper in the thread I linked to there is more about Numan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 21:04
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Perhaps deeper in the thread I linked to there is more about Numan.
Nope. Only in the first post.
 
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

NUMAN ON P.A.? It has to be a joke!
I mean: from all I can hear from Numan, I hardly can count him as a prog-related musician. I would even dare to say that his music is very poor, in comparison to Kraftwerk or the early Human League.
Numan's music is far from poor and his influence is surprisingly wide-spread, he can count Damon Albarn, Trent Reznor, Burton C Bell, Maryln Manson, Foo Fighters, St.Eteinne and The Smashing Pumpkins among his fans - even David Bowie, who once quipped "To be honest, I never meant for cloning to be a part of the eighties", now sings his praises. Having recorded something like 20 studio albums over the past 30 years, he has frequently changed styles so cannot be dismissed out-of-hand without an evaluation of all his albums. (I own them all, but to be honest I rarely listen to any of his releases from 1980 to 1992 and couldn't say what any from that period sounded like without re-listening).
 
However, personal I also think it's a bit of a stretch - although he has dabbled in post-punk, jazz-rock, ethereal and industrial and is far more experimental than his hits would suggest - he has never produced an album that really crosses-over into Prog territory (even Post Rock or Electronic - of course, he may have been influential on some of the artists in those subs, proving it could be difficult).
 
For people who only know him for Cars and Are Friends Electric? I would recommend listening to some of his more recent work, like Pure, which is more Electronic/Gothic/Industrial (in the NIN vein) and the guitar (which more or less vanished after Tubeway Army) takes a more prominent role.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2009 at 22:50
Ah, nice. A constructive argument rather than a pure dismissal of the thought. Something that tells us a bit of why he might have been suggested in the first place, and why he's never made it from that old "master list" of suggestions.

And as hinted above, I would think that it was as an influential artist his name came up in the first place; although I hadn't thought about his later output in that respect. He's an influence for many more than the people in the industrial and gothic scene too; quite a few exploring the realms of electronic music holds him in just as high esteem as Kraftwerk for instance; I've even come across quite a few having him as a major influence and not mentioning Kraftwerk at all - the latest of these a French outfit called Antiklimax.

Personally I tend to listen to his output prior to 1980 most, but there's a few worthy releases from the 80's as well - White Noise for instance. Of his later output selected tracks are intriguing for me; My Jesus among my favorites there.

He's not prog in my view either; lacking in musical complexity first and foremost; but as an influential artist he might one day make it to related. Not now, but 10 years from now I would suspect there are so many artists stating an influence from him added to this place that he would be included due to that.

I would have thought non-collabs might have come aboard a bit on this discussion - but guess that Numan's still too underground to cause much interest from the more casual members of this community.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 00:32
This is one of those, "Has 1 or 2 albums that is proggier than the least proggy album from some PA included band". Especially in the Electroprog sub. 

I particularly like the song Down In the Park, but adding him would be a huge stretch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 08:49
I'd like to add something to Olav's comments. The original Master List is, as he also stated, about 5 years old - which means it dates back to the beginnings of the site. Many things have drastically changed since then, especially as regards band/artist additions policy. At the time there were no genre teams, and the control over additions was minimal - this is why there are some debatable entries in the DB (just ask any of the teams who have engaged in cleanup sessions), and there are still so many bio-less entries.

Now the requirements for additions are much more stringent, but bear in mind it wasn't always so... Looking at the Master List can be quite entertaining, as you will find just about EVERYONE was suggested at some point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 09:07
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I'd like to add something to Olav's comments. The original Master List is, as he also stated, about 5 years old - which means it dates back to the beginnings of the site. Many things have drastically changed since then, especially as regards band/artist additions policy. At the time there were no genre teams, and the control over additions was minimal - this is why there are some debatable entries in the DB (just ask any of the teams who have engaged in cleanup sessions), and there are still so many bio-less entries.

Now the requirements for additions are much more stringent, but bear in mind it wasn't always so... Looking at the Master List can be quite entertaining, as you will find just about EVERYONE was suggested at some point.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 09:19
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

And as hinted above, I would think that it was as an influential artist his name came up in the first place; although I hadn't thought about his later output in that respect. He's an influence for many more than the people in the industrial and gothic scene too; quite a few exploring the realms of electronic music holds him in just as high esteem as Kraftwerk for instance; I've even come across quite a few having him as a major influence and not mentioning Kraftwerk at all - the latest of these a French outfit called Antiklimax.
Numan himself has admitted he was influenced by Kraftwerk, Neu! and Ultraxov! (who were themselves a Krautrock influenced Art Rock band in their early days).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 11:07
Considering the recent addition or Gerard Manset, I think that Numan deserves a good round of debate, if only among the collabs.  I think that just Replicas and the Pleasure Principle would get him a good lift.
But his obstacles are these - 1) and this is a major one at PA : he enjoyed a modicum of commercial success. And being well known means many feel fit to judge an act based on one or two songs they heard on the radio years ago. 2) He never really got into the long multi-part suites; 3) No apocalypse in 9/8 rip-off or Mahavishnu technical virtuosity; 4) and finally - he wrote songs, i.e. made attempts to mostly include melodies in his music.
SO he's not heavy, not avant, not symphonic. But he should be prog related at the very least.
GIVE AN ALBUM OR TWO OF HIS A GOOD LISTEN, ESPECIALLY REPLICAS OR PLEASURE PRINCIPLE !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 14:46
Just for the record, Claude: Manset's addition is NOT a recent one. He was added some time between the end of 200 and the beginning of 2008, when I was still in the Eclectic Team. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2009 at 18:25
Sorry, just that the songs I've been able to find for him are not too proggy. Add to that the admission that out of 30 records, one & one only is full on prog, the rest bearing little relation.
Numan will  never be a fit for symphonic or RIO, but his early career was made up of experimentation, that had him compared with classic Bowie, and a few have posted previously about his post 80s work being very diversified stylewise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 10:02
He used to be a human, but now he's Gary Numan. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 11:23
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

He used to be a human, but now he's Gary Numan. LOL
I thought he used to be a Webb...Confused
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 11:26
Nah, that was just a Replica, Praying to the Aliens When The Iceman Cometh in a Slowcar To China

Edited by Windhawk - January 12 2009 at 11:29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 11:32
Listen to my voice, we are so fragile, Me! I disconnect from you...Remind me to smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2009 at 11:38
My Jesus, Down In The Park - Sister Surprise ;-)
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