Dream Theater - Love or hate?

Certif1ed wrote: That seems a bit harsh, Ollie - did I miss something?

Yes, you miss the attacks "Christ" made to several forums members.

Calvo wrote: For me, Dream Theater is the definition of "Progressive Metal".

yeah phill collins is the definition of "progressive rock"

I hate them.. showoftheatre..

Certif1ed wrote: But I do hate the way people go on about them as if they've achieved something new. They haven't. Their style is evident in music from 20 years ago.

INDEED!

dream theatre haven't .. Maybe the folks of cynic.. but dream theatre?

I almost feel like dream theatre is the ELP of prog metal.. besides that ELP makes good music (when comparing).. A dream theatre fan hasn't taken a look further.. DREAM THEATRE IS THE BEST PROGBAND.. THAT'S IT!!!..

It's so irritating..

Radioactive Toy wrote: Calvo wrote: For me, Dream Theater is the definition of "Progressive Metal". yeah phill collins is the definition of "progressive rock" I hate them.. showoftheatre..

Genesis and Brand X are worthy candidates for the 'definition of progressive rock' laurels, IMHO...

A very good swing drummer, too.

Apart from that, I consider myself a DT fan but I don't think they're the best band and never have.

Still, a DT hater can't look farther beyond 'DT IS THE WORST BAND!' and that's it. Some of them will even go as far as to say DT are worse than ELP...  

Blacksword wrote: Valarius wrote: Hey?! What?! I'm just saying good stuff for getting a Dream Theater album. They're my favourite band and I'm happy to hear you have "Awake" and like it. He must be a troll. Calls himself Christ and resides in Iraq. I wouldn't let that get to you.

That's how big this guy's inner self really is

Manunkind wrote: Radioactive Toy wrote: Manunkind wrote: Radioactive Toy wrote: Calvo wrote: For me, Dream Theater is the definition of "Progressive Metal". yeah phill collins is the definition of "progressive rock" I hate them.. showoftheatre.. Genesis and Brand X are worthy candidates for the 'definition of progressive rock' laurels, IMHO... A very good swing drummer, too. Apart from that, I consider myself a DT fan but I don't think they're the best band and never have. Still, a DT hater can't look farther beyond 'DT IS THE WORST BAND!' and that's it. Some of them will even go as far as to say DT are worse than ELP...   I'm more talking about the fans overappreciating DT then saying this is the worst band.. It's simply based on "look at me play" + "oooohhhh" + "ahhhhhh" .. enjoy the band.. please.. but keep your words yourself.. get cynic - focus, itw - omnio?, arcturus - the sham mirrors, opeth - blackwater park and listen to them, THEN you're worthy of speech I own the Cynic album, 'Blackwater Park' and have heard considerable amounts of music from both In the Woods... and Arcturus. All top-notch stuff I enjoy as much as I do DT, but comparing them to DT is slightly off the mark, as all these bands you mentioned have firm roots in death metal and black metal, which is not the case with DT. And the 'look at me play' accusations are subjective anyway, I could say the same about Cynic, I could say the same about jazz and fusion of all shapes and sizes (stuff I'm really into) but I see no reason why a musician shouldn't make use of his technical abilities. And the evaluation of the musical end these abilities serve is subjective anyway. I have to admit I'm completely new to this 'fanatical DT fan' phenomenon. I have a few friends who are highly appreciative of this band but don't hesitate to criticise any flaws they hear in it. One of these friends of mine is an accomplished guitarist, probably the best Irish-folk guitarist in Poland but also proficient in other genres and he values DT highly, even though they are theoretically the opposite of his cup of tea. The only person I know I could describe as being somewhat fanatical about DT is the sweetest girl in the world... very good painter, too. So, Radioactive Toy, I hope I've proven myself worthy of speech.

You're one of the few who accually own some other albums.. But what I'm trying to say... is that their technical abilities are the basis of this whole band.. I could have mention other band who have not had their roots there.. And I was taking a look at all the dream theatre is the best prog metal band mentions.. And 95% dt fan hasn't heard anything else.. it's just sad to say things like this.. It's probably the same as the "phill collins is the best progrock" sentence

Manunkind wrote: Radioactive Toy wrote: Manunkind wrote: Radioactive Toy wrote: Manunkind wrote: Radioactive Toy wrote: Calvo wrote: For me, Dream Theater is the definition of "Progressive Metal". yeah phill collins is the definition of "progressive rock" I hate them.. showoftheatre.. Genesis and Brand X are worthy candidates for the 'definition of progressive rock' laurels, IMHO... A very good swing drummer, too. Apart from that, I consider myself a DT fan but I don't think they're the best band and never have. Still, a DT hater can't look farther beyond 'DT IS THE WORST BAND!' and that's it. Some of them will even go as far as to say DT are worse than ELP...   I'm more talking about the fans overappreciating DT then saying this is the worst band.. It's simply based on "look at me play" + "oooohhhh" + "ahhhhhh" .. enjoy the band.. please.. but keep your words yourself.. get cynic - focus, itw - omnio?, arcturus - the sham mirrors, opeth - blackwater park and listen to them, THEN you're worthy of speech I own the Cynic album, 'Blackwater Park' and have heard considerable amounts of music from both In the Woods... and Arcturus. All top-notch stuff I enjoy as much as I do DT, but comparing them to DT is slightly off the mark, as all these bands you mentioned have firm roots in death metal and black metal, which is not the case with DT. And the 'look at me play' accusations are subjective anyway, I could say the same about Cynic, I could say the same about jazz and fusion of all shapes and sizes (stuff I'm really into) but I see no reason why a musician shouldn't make use of his technical abilities. And the evaluation of the musical end these abilities serve is subjective anyway. I have to admit I'm completely new to this 'fanatical DT fan' phenomenon. I have a few friends who are highly appreciative of this band but don't hesitate to criticise any flaws they hear in it. One of these friends of mine is an accomplished guitarist, probably the best Irish-folk guitarist in Poland but also proficient in other genres and he values DT highly, even though they are theoretically the opposite of his cup of tea. The only person I know I could describe as being somewhat fanatical about DT is the sweetest girl in the world... very good painter, too. So, Radioactive Toy, I hope I've proven myself worthy of speech.      You're one of the few who accually own some other albums.. But what I'm trying to say... is that their technical abilities are the basis of this whole band.. I could have mention other band who have not had their roots there.. And I was taking a look at all the dream theatre is the best prog metal band mentions.. And 95% dt fan hasn't heard anything else.. it's just sad to say things like this.. It's probably the same as the "phill collins is the best progrock" sentence I agree with everything here except the statement that DT have nothing but technique to offer.

ok.. some tight leather pants also

Ever heard A Change of Seasons? You must admit he is doing that one without any flaws.

Blacksword wrote: He must be a troll. Calls himself Christ and resides in Iraq. I wouldn't let that get to you.

Speaking of Iraq... http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=30299 

 

Regarding Dream Theater, they're basically the band that started me off listening to prog, along with Rush, King Crimson and Marillion. Maybe if they weren't I wouldn't like their music, but as it as I do. Maybe they're not terribly original, but they meld all their influences into something unmistakably by them (apart from the Metallica riffs ). I much prefer Cynic and Arcturus, among several other more inventive metallers. In the Woods I'm not sure about, although I loved them when I first listened, the songs I have don't seem to have much depth/lyricism to the music. I'll definitely give a listen to some tracks from Omnio now, though. For Opeth, I do like them but I don't think they're quite in the upper spheres of inventiveness (if that doesn't sound too pretentious ). Also, Dan Swanö seems to music similar to Opeth and far better, so getting hold of Opeth takes a lower priority.

A lot just listen to the so-called "neoclassical metal" scene, most of which is horribly derivative (i.e. sounds to varying degrees like a mixture of the more generic Dream Theater parts, Symphony X, Malmsteen and Rhapsody)