Dream Theater - Love or hate?
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Topic: Dream Theater - Love or hate?
Posted By: Calvo
Subject: Dream Theater - Love or hate?
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 10:50
| For me, Dream Theater is the definition of "Progressive Metal". |
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 10:52
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woo yeah! When i first came to the site DT were very popular but now ive noticed a lot more people disliking them. They are one of my favourite bands! ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 10:54
| I love them. I don't like Train of Thought or Six Degrees that much but I find Images & Words and Metropolis pt 2 excellent, not to mention Awake. Yes, they, or their Images & Words album, defines the prog metal genre. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 10:58
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heres how i rate em ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 11:01
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Love the littlle critters ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 11:04
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Musically.... for the heavy stuff, they are very good. The voice? Loses me every time. Something about James LaBrie's voice just ruins the experience. I have yet to make it through an entire DT album without punching the eject button and slappin' on some McGill, Manring, Stevens.
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 11:35
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i love labrie, one of my fave vocalists, their original vocalist, charlie dominici is actually horrendous, he is so high pitched that only bats can appreciate him! labrie has so much emotion in his voice, its also very original as most traditional metal bands have gruff vocals, probably from the metallica influence, tho sabbath, the originals did not need gruff vocals. Metal is very different now though. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 11:51
| 5-4 now. Excellent band. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 11:57
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I like them, but they tend to get a little boring. Scenes from a memorie is ok, and some songs from the various other albums are quite decent aswel. I can't manage to listen an album in full without dozin' off to sleep however. I have the DVD live at Budokan, I only listened the first hour (took me three days to get so far) bores me to tears. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 12:20
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 12:53
| Love them. They're my favourite band EVER!!! |
Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 13:36
| Love em, but my love is despite James Labrie. While I recognize his talent and ability, I can't stand to watch him live. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 13:48
| I only have one DT album (awake) but it is very awesome. I like it alot. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 14:44
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 14:48
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Valarius wrote:Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 14:53
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Hey?! What?! I'm just saying good stuff for getting a Dream Theater album. They're my favourite band and I'm happy to hear you have "Awake" and like it.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 14:59
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Why do we have to have devisive "Love or Hate" polls? They only tend to stir up arguments, especially when people like me say stuff like; Dream Theater are probably the most overrated band I've ever heard, and Images and Words is nothing short of below average, unoriginal music played by technically highly competent people. There is not much on "Images and words" beyond standard rock song and FM ballad format, with a few stolen Metallica riffs and unnecessary fast playing thrown in. The only thing that's technically amazing about it is the players' techniques - not the music itself, which is the important thing. I can't hate it - it's not bad enough. But I do hate the way people go on about them as if they've achieved something new. They haven't. Their style is evident in music from 20 years ago.
Now you can't say that about the old school progbands like Genesis, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, Hawkwind, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, ELP, Rush...
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 15:02
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**Refuses to retaliate to anti-DT comment**
**Succeeds**
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 31 2005 at 15:03
simply true! ------------- 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 02:08
I'm not surprised. This binary sh*t is very refined for you, as you're used to degenerate teenage noise (i can't call it music). Go away, you're not on the good forum Go back to your mac Donald, Coca cola and destroy totally your poor ears with your "metal". |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 02:42
That seems a bit harsh, Ollie - did I miss something? 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 02:47
Yes, you miss the attacks "Christ" made to several forums members. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 03:29
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Why can't DT and me just be friends? ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 03:46
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yeah phill collins is the definition of "progressive rock" I hate them.. showoftheatre.. -------------  
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 03:54
Seeing Certif1ed's hedge and remembering how it turned ugly (= highly theoretical) the last time, I'll voice my protest symbolically:
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 04:21
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INDEED! dream theatre haven't .. Maybe the folks of cynic.. but dream theatre? I almost feel like dream theatre is the ELP of prog metal.. besides that ELP makes good music (when comparing).. A dream theatre fan hasn't taken a look further.. DREAM THEATRE IS THE BEST PROGBAND.. THAT'S IT!!!.. It's so irritating.. -------------
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 04:28
He must be a troll. Calls himself Christ and resides in Iraq. I wouldn't let that get to you. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 04:28
Genesis and Brand X are worthy candidates for the 'definition of progressive rock' laurels, IMHO A very good swing drummer, too Apart from that, I consider myself a DT fan but I don't think they're the best band and never have. Still, a DT hater can't look farther beyond 'DT IS THE WORST BAND!' and that's it. Some of them will even go as far as to say DT are worse than ELP... ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
.Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 04:39
I'm more talking about the fans overappreciating DT then saying this is the worst band.. It's simply based on "look at me play" + "oooohhhh" + "ahhhhhh" .. enjoy the band.. please.. but keep your words yourself.. get cynic - focus, itw - omnio?, arcturus - the sham mirrors, opeth - blackwater park and listen to them, THEN you're worthy of speech -------------
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 04:41
That's how big this guy's inner self really is
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 04:56
I own the Cynic album, 'Blackwater Park' and have heard considerable amounts of music from both In the Woods... and Arcturus. All top-notch stuff I enjoy as much as I do DT, but comparing them to DT is slightly off the mark, as all these bands you mentioned have firm roots in death metal and black metal, which is not the case with DT. And the 'look at me play' accusations are subjective anyway, I could say the same about Cynic, I could say the same about jazz and fusion of all shapes and sizes (stuff I'm really into) but I see no reason why a musician shouldn't make use of his technical abilities. And the evaluation of the musical end these abilities serve is subjective anyway. I have to admit I'm completely new to this 'fanatical DT fan' phenomenon. I have a few friends who are highly appreciative of this band but don't hesitate to criticise any flaws they hear in it. One of these friends of mine is an accomplished guitarist, probably the best Irish-folk guitarist in Poland but also proficient in other genres and he values DT highly, even though they are theoretically the opposite of his cup of tea. The only person I know I could describe as being somewhat fanatical about DT is the sweetest girl in the world... very good painter, too So, Radioactive Toy, I hope I've proven myself worthy of speech EDIT: Double post ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 05:16
You're one of the few who accually own some other albums.. But what I'm trying to say... is that their technical abilities are the basis of this whole band.. I could have mention other band who have not had their roots there.. And I was taking a look at all the dream theatre is the best prog metal band mentions.. And 95% dt fan hasn't heard anything else.. it's just sad to say things like this.. It's probably the same as the "phill collins is the best progrock" sentence -------------
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 05:22
I agree with everything here except the statement that DT have nothing but technique to offer ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 05:26
ok.. some tight leather pants also -------------
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 05:27
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 05:48
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Ever heard A Change of Seasons? You must admit he is doing that one without any flaws. ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 05:54
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Oh yes, a fantastic piece of music, better than the SDOIT-suite IMO. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 06:08
Speaking of Iraq... http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=30299 - http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=30299
Regarding Dream Theater, they're basically the band that started me off listening to prog, along with Rush, King Crimson and Marillion. Maybe if they weren't I wouldn't like their music, but as it as I do. Maybe they're not terribly original, but they meld all their influences into something unmistakably by them (apart from the Metallica riffs |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 06:43
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I just don't believe that DT fans dont listen to anything elsr...I listen to loads of stuff ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 06:45
| A lot just listen to the so-called "neoclassical metal" scene, most of which is horribly derivative (i.e. sounds to varying degrees like a mixture of the more generic Dream Theater parts, Symphony X, Malmsteen and Rhapsody) |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 06:48
| Anyway, this is NOT prog!!! |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 06:49
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Is too ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 06:50
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So whats wrong with Yngwie and Symphony X??? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 07:01
http://www.vai.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9335&highlight=malmsteen - http://www.vai.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9335&highlight =malmsteen Here you will find an extensive discussion on the subject ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 07:04
No thanks ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 07:07
I don't blame you ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 09:09
Ok I read it. So what? I don't get your point! Nothing I read I don't know already. If I like Yngwie, DT and Symphony X wwho cares? Aren't people who like prog supposed to be open to all kinds of music? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 09:18
So Maria careh is prog. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 09:31
They damn well should be. What was my point? You asked and I pointed to a possible answer.
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 09:42
Yes yes yes yes yes but whats wrong with people listening to DT , Yngwie and Sym X we you seem to object to? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 09:44
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with either of them (there is, but I listen to both anyway). What I'm saying is the numerous bands who've followed them, copied them and brought nothing new to their music are horrible. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 09:49
You mean Dream Theater? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 10:22
Check out my post in the following thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4548&PN=1&TPN=9 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4548&a mp;PN=1&TPN=9
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 10:52
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I hate unoriginal, uninspired, uninspiring, loud and ugly music. Whether DT actually falls in this category, I don't know. It just might. The reason why I cannot put them in that category is that I just don't know them good enough to be able to back up such a claim. I have listened to their music (or what can be described as music) enough to say it's not my cup of tea, though. I have, however, created such a dislike for all metal that I simply will not listen to them in the extent that would enable me to really hate them. Cheers -Beau ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 10:58
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If "Six degrees of Inner Turbulence" isn't prog then neither is "Suppers Ready" !!! - But I'd have to say that most of DT's other stuff is more "Metal" than prog......... But excellent Metal non-the-less........... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 11:08
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Metal is the antithesis of prog:
It's binary, non evolutive, boring, not sophisticated at all, played by unskilled pseudo-musicians who only know play two notes! So the term prog-metal is a nonsense! DT is prog, if you compare it to rap or to the stuff they call "r'n'b". Everything is relative! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 11:11
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Rubbish! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 11:12
| Explain! |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 11:19
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Dream Theater, Symphony X, Atheist, Death, Haggard, Meshuggah, Cynic, Cryptopsy, Gordian Knot, Opeth, Behold... the Arctopus, Arcturus, In the Woods..., Tool, even some 90s King Crimson... I could go on and on... so much for binary, repetitive, two-note music played by pseudo-musicians. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 11:21
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 11:44
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90's KC is sh*t...
Like all the others things you quote. You don't know what prog is! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 12:11
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All Kneel to Oliverstonned he knows what Prog Is ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 12:14
No! |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 12:15
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You can dislike metal all you like but it won't make that come true |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 12:16
Oh..ok then ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 12:17
Snow Dog, Goose: Thank you and amen to what you wrote. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2005 at 12:17
So so true ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 21:50
 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: lynton samuel
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:04
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i don't see why i have to hate or love them.
when it comes to DT, it always comes down to love and hate on this forum. silly. how about a poll where you rate them from 9 to 10? much better. it would give a clearer view of people's opininons. i dont know, maybe it already has been done. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 19:32
| When American bands learn to spell properly i may treat them with a bit more respect, talking phonetically is more disrespectful. especially Polish names where the w is pronounced as a v. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 02:11
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I like Dream Theater....I love Pain of Salvation -------------  |
Posted By: Coya
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 05:52
Don't you think that the fact that they are a "love or hate" band says a lot about them? I mean different stuff (for better of for worse) is always going to cause that kind of reaction on people, fans and musicians. And don't pretend to end that awsome polarity DT creates  . So keep on dreaming, in or outside the theater, where you like it most.
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 13 2005 at 03:32
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NO DOUBT ONE OF THE LEADERS OF PROG METAL.THE ONLY THINK I DISSLIKE IS THAT SOMETIMES THE GIVE YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WANT TO WIN A SPEED CONTEST INSTED OF EXPRESSING THEIR FEELINGS. GREAT IDEAS SOMETIMES COEXIST WITH ´´TOO MUCH´´ SOLOS. IF YOU PUT ASIDE TRAIN OF THOUGHT WHICH I I FIND FLAT(WITH THE EXCEPTION O STREAM OF CONSIOUSNESS AND IN THE NAME OF GOD), THE OTHER ALBUMS HAVE SOME IMPRESSIVE IDEAS.(EVEN FALLING...) |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 13 2005 at 12:25
| Oh c'mon My thread is just so much better... |