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TheaterX 
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 Posted: July 13 2005 at 12:11 |
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I really like System of a Down. They are a very unique popular
band. Their music only contains some prog elements though,
definitley not enough to be labeled a Prog Band.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 12:14 |
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seabre wrote:
If you're going to go into a "punk prog" area. The Mars Volta is the closest thing to that..
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No they aren't. That would imply that The Mars Volta is a gray area between the two, but the Mars Volta is more progressive than many of the groups from the 70s. There are no punk elements in the Mars Volta's music. They play loud and fast, so does Dream Theater. Are they a punk band? |
TMV have a punk heritage. I agree that there's not much Punk audible in their music, but If you know Omar and Cedric from ATD, you see/hear the connection.
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DavidInsabella
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 14:07 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
DavidInsabella wrote:
seabre wrote:
If you're going to go into a "punk prog" area. The Mars Volta is the closest thing to that..
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No they aren't. That would imply that The Mars Volta is a gray area between the two, but the Mars Volta is more progressive than many of the groups from the 70s. There are no punk elements in the Mars Volta's music. They play loud and fast, so does Dream Theater. Are they a punk band? |
TMV have a punk heritage. I agree that there's not much Punk audible in their music, but If you know Omar and Cedric from ATD, you see/hear the connection.
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I would even argue that At The Drive-In weren't entirely punk. They did some experimentation themselves. Anyway, The Mars Volta have never done the typical punk style. No three chord songs, no songs completely in 4/4, not much simplicity at all.
I can't stand the whole punk prog label. Most of the groups put under it are punk bands that happen to have competent musicians. Just because a punk band never did something doesn't mean it hasn't been done many times before.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 14:32 |
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I like intelligent punk like NO-FX. But I think that there's no such thing as Prog Punk. Punk has an inherent anarchistic tendency, a rebellion against form and structure. Those are things vital to Prog.
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Fragile
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 18:23 |
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Give us a break on this site from bands such as these.I have friends who gorge themselves on this lot and I find them extremely unpleasant on my ears.They have a place but it certainly not on a prog site.
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Plenilunio
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 02:18 |
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They are not prog, but they are definitely progressive compared to most popular bands this day in age. It really is pretty amazing that they are as popular as they are given their bizzare music. I like them very much, and they are not prog, but they are also Not Just Another Metal Band.
As for tool, they are definitely prog. If you disagree, please go read the definition of prog rock as written on this very site, then listen to Lateralus from start to finish and realize the folly of your ways.
Don't judge a band by what you hear on mainstream radio. often misleading. I used to think Yes sucked because the only song I'd ever heard was Owner of a Lonely Heart.
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I think harmony also makes a prog band... Tool is good, but I don't find the harmonic variations needed to call them prog. That happens with a lot of "prog metal bands"
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Borealis
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 21:18 |
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System of a down?! Green Day?!?! What the fu*k is going on? You really need to sit back and check out what prog music is...
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Vive le Québec libre!...
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spectral
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 16:56 |
Borealis wrote:
System of a down?! Green Day?!?! What the fu*k is going on? You really need to sit back and check out what prog music is... |
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frinspar
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 17:21 |
I like prog. I like SOAD. It is possible to like things outside of prog, and not to justify everything one listens to as prog so it will fit into their schema. The fact that they play straight metal with a twist and are better than the rappy nu metal garbage shouldn't confuse people into thinking they are prog. It just says that radio made a mistake and played something better than the low average for once.
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 17:38 |
frinspar wrote:
I like prog. I like SOAD. It is possible to like things outside of prog, and not to justify everything one listens to as prog so it will fit into their schema. The fact that they play straight metal with a twist and are better than the rappy nu metal garbage shouldn't confuse people into thinking they are prog. It just says that radio made a mistake and played something better than the low average for once.
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Who is saying that prog is all people listen to on this site. I know I don't. So I can objectively say that SOAD are a bag of steaming sh*te.
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frinspar
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 17:48 |
No need to take it personally. I was generally directing my comment more to the folks that wanted to see them included. It's a deep human trait to justify everything.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a diehard Yes fan out there that also like Barry Manilow and justifies their appreciation through a perceived recognition of elements in Manilow's music they might consider proggy.
Just a reaching example, of course.
But I do see a tendency here to want to qualify lots of things as prog that really should not be simply because a person likes what they're listening to.
I'm glad you don't like them. More for me.
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Borealis
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 17:56 |
The problem is people who like prog think everything they like is prog, or do not want to like things other than prog, so they try to make everything they like to fit in the prog genre. Tou can like music other than prog, it's quiet possible...
I herd a song from system of a down the other day, it was called BOYB, or well, it was 4 capitalized letters, and let me tell you it was pure metal bullsh*t, nothing even close to prog.
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 02:49 |
Borealis wrote:
The problem is people who like prog think everything they like is prog, or do not want to like things other than prog, so they try to make everything they like to fit in the prog genre. Tou can like music other than prog, it's quiet possible...
I herd a song from system of a down the other day, it was called BOYB, or well, it was 4 capitalized letters, and let me tell you it was pure metal bullsh*t, nothing even close to prog.
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I don't get it ... in the first paragraph you try to describe that it's possible to like other things than prog. So far, so good ... but in the second paragraph, you go completely over the top and call SOAD bullsh*t. You can't get much more stupid and ignorant than that ...
People, you're making a fool of yourself when you bash bands from other genres which are - objectively - very good at what they're doing. Fell free to say anything you want, but don't complain about other people not taking you seriously after such statements.
So congratulations Borealis, you're the first on my ignore list. ...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 02:50 |
spectral wrote:
frinspar wrote:
I like prog. I like SOAD. It is possible to like things outside of prog, and not to justify everything one listens to as prog so it will fit into their schema. The fact that they play straight metal with a twist and are better than the rappy nu metal garbage shouldn't confuse people into thinking they are prog. It just says that radio made a mistake and played something better than the low average for once.
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Who is saying that prog is all people listen to on this site. I know I don't. So I can objectively say that SOAD are a bag of steaming sh*te.
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An you are number 2 ... congratulations to you as well.
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spectral
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 04:36 |
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An you are number 2 ... congratulations to you as well.
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You are such a f***ing idiot. I cannot stand SOAD; my dislike for their music transcends genres. They may be good at what they do, but I DON'T like what they do. So go ahead, ignore me. It's always intelligent to ignore people with an opposing opinion, NOT!
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 04:40 |
spectral wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
An you are number 2 ... congratulations to you as well.
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You are such a f***ing idiot. I cannot stand SOAD; my dislike for their music transcends genres. They may be good at what they do, but I DON'T like what they do. So go ahead, ignore me. It's always intelligent to ignore people with an opposing opinion, NOT!
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You should read my post again ... you didn't understand a single word I said. I DON'T have any problem with people who don't like SOAD. I'm not even a big fan myself. But you said that I'm an idiot. Not just now, but in the post I was answering, by saying that SOAD objectively are crap. By saying so, you implicitly call anyone an idiot who happens to disagree.
There's a subtle difference between saying they're "pure metal bullsh*t/ bag of steaming sh*te" or "I DON'T like what they do". The first is ignorant and offensive, the second is perfectly agreeable.
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spectral
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 05:07 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
You should read my post again ... you didn't understand a single word I said. I DON'T have any problem with people who don't like SOAD. I'm not even a big fan myself. But you said that I'm an idiot. Not just now, but in the post I was answering, by saying that SOAD objectively are crap. By saying so, you implicitly call anyone an idiot who happens to disagree.
There's a subtle difference between saying they're "pure metal bullsh*t/ bag of steaming sh*te" or "I DON'T like what they do". The first is ignorant and offensive, the second is perfectly agreeable.
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1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion? Is there a list of words I can use or perhaps phrases I can choose from. Perhaps all posts should be vetted to ensure the opinion is not going to disgruntle someone or to ensure it conforms to everyone else's.
2. it's not ignorant to say they are a bag of steaming sh1te. I've listened to a lot of their music and I am happy to say that it is a bag of steaming sh1te.
3. I called you an idiot in reference to your childish comments to ignore my posts, not in reference to SOAD. where in my previous post where I called SOAD a bag of steaming sh1te did I say that you or anyone else is an idiot? If you are so hyper-sensitive that you take an opinion about a band as personal attack, then you need to re-assess visting forums for discussion on music.
By the way, we don't live in a fascist state. We have the freedom to express our opinions in anyway we like. Calling them a bag of steaming sh1te is hardly directing my dislike of their music at anyone; I'm saying that I don't like their music, not the people who listen to their music - which is what we are discussing here.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 05:42 |
spectral wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
You should read my post again ... you didn't understand a single word I said. I DON'T have any problem with people who don't like SOAD. I'm not even a big fan myself. But you said that I'm an idiot. Not just now, but in the post I was answering, by saying that SOAD objectively are crap. By saying so, you implicitly call anyone an idiot who happens to disagree.
There's a subtle difference between saying they're "pure metal bullsh*t/ bag of steaming sh*te" or "I DON'T like what they do". The first is ignorant and offensive, the second is perfectly agreeable.
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1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion? Is there a list of words I can use or perhaps phrases I can choose from. Perhaps all posts should be vetted to ensure the opinion is not going to disgruntle someone or to ensure it conforms to everyone else's.
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Just be polite. In a normal conversation with people whom you respect and of whom you know that they like SOAD, you wouldn't use those words ...
spectral wrote:
2. it's not ignorant to say they are a bag of steaming sh1te. I've listened to a lot of their music and I am happy to say that it is a bag of steaming sh1te.
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Say anything you want ... in return I say that you know as much about music as a pineapple. Freedom of speech, you said it yourself.
spectral wrote:
3. I called you an idiot in reference to your childish comments to ignore my posts, not in reference to SOAD. where in my previous post where I called SOAD a bag of steaming sh1te did I say that you or anyone else is an idiot? If you are so hyper-sensitive that you take an opinion about a band as personal attack, then you need to re-assess visting forums for discussion on music.
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Why are you so hypersensitive about me ignoring you? Why should you even bother? I mean, I like SOAD, so my opinions shouldn't mean much to you anyway ...
spectral wrote:
By the way, we don't live in a fascist state. We have the freedom to express our opinions in anyway we like. Calling them a bag of steaming sh1te is hardly directing my dislike of their music at anyone; I'm saying that I don't like their music, not the people who listen to their music - which is what we are discussing here.
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Again: Feel free to say anything ... even if it makes other people laugh at you, you're still free to say it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 05:43 |
spectral wrote:
1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion?
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BTW: There's no etiquette for expressing opinions ... but there's a difference between opinions, accusations, insults and just wrong facts.
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spectral
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Posted: July 21 2005 at 06:28 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
spectral wrote:
1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion?
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BTW: There's no etiquette for expressing opinions ... but there's a difference between opinions, accusations, insults and just wrong facts.
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How can my opinion be wrong, when it is my opinion? music is subjective. there is no right or wrong answer as to whether you like a band's music or not.
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