Heh, no.

Retroventuremod wrote: they have a lot of changes in the middle of songs from quiet to loud, to fast to slow etc.

That doesn't mean anything.

Use it as an argument to convince your friend, but IMO it's not even remotely prog related.

Iván

NetsNJFan wrote: IMO, not prog, but I'm really not the best person to ask (........DT, Prog?)

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Retroventuremod wrote: seabre wrote: Heh, no. Retroventuremod wrote: they have a lot of changes in the middle of songs from quiet to loud, to fast to slow etc.    That doesn't mean anything. well ok, they have a bit more than that to, but what about bands like tool? i wouldnt consider them all that prog, but they are on the list

thats true but also there are others mmm like nigthwish IMO

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I Think they are not prog at all

I think there's definitely some progressive-ness to them. Just not enough to be sucked into the prog genre.

There was a hidden track off of "Toxicity" at the very end which sounded really world-music-ish; going with the whole east-meets-west type deal. But aside from that, finding a proggy track in their portfolio is a bit like the diamond-in-the-rough.

Not even diamond. It's just crappy cubic zirconia.

Retroventuremod wrote: seabre wrote: Heh, no. Retroventuremod wrote: they have a lot of changes in the middle of songs from quiet to loud, to fast to slow etc.    That doesn't mean anything. well ok, they have a bit more than that to, but what about bands like tool? i wouldnt consider them all that prog, but they are on the list

Tool.

Odd time signatures, sheets of sound, complex rhythms, explorative percussion/set playing

System of a Down.

Unimaginative sheets of sonic sh*t.

I LIKE ARMENIA but they still not prog. KEEP searching friend

Retroventuremod wrote: cold103 wrote: No. Aren't they that band that has a song with the lyric "my dick is bigger than yours", or something? No offense but I think they pretty much suck from what I've heard- Just another mainstream band.. Also- that song Sugar was like 2 minutes right? Wow, their songs are almost as lengthy as Green Day's! i dont know about the dick lyric, or sugar song - again i dont know to much about them, other than what my friend has made me listen to etc etc however - many prog songs are less than 5 minutes you know - clap, a venture are 2 that quickly come to mind. and on green day- that could be an interesting discussion - is there such a thing as "punk prog"?

Green Day is NOT PROG!!!!!

If you're going to go into a "punk prog" area. The Mars Volta is the closest thing to that..

Green Day != prog

I see alot more of what many of you consider "prog" in them.  Just because they write 3 minute songs doesn't ,mean they suck.  They tend to cram alot into the songs.

WHAT THE HELL . green day is pure poppy music. Damm, you are complety wrong

alan_pfeifer wrote: I see alot more of what many of you consider "prog" in them.  Just because they write 3 minute songs doesn't ,mean they suck.  They tend to cram alot into the songs.

Oh. Ok.

That makes Blink 182 prog too, I guess.

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Green Day is NOT PROG!!!!!

cold103 wrote: No. Aren't they that band that has a song with the lyric "my dick is bigger than yours", or something? No offense but I think they pretty much suck from what I've heard- Just another mainstream band.. Also- that song Sugar was like 2 minutes right? Wow, their songs are almost as lengthy as Green Day's!

Just to get the fact straight: The lyric is "My cock is much bigger than yours". And Sugar is 2:33 (alright so you were closer there but still). Just clearing that up. But i agree that they are not prog.

Is like you dare to call coolios music prog

and I say, dear pals, it is just like give Regards of love to the devil

If they arn't prog, they deffinettly have progressive qualities to them, just listen to the whole album Toxicity. It's not prog, but atleast each song sounds comletely different, and its hard not finding repetivness in a pop band. They are very different from pop though, I tell you listen to that album, they are much more creative than any other metal band, not saying their prog. but they are not pop. And just like all prog albums, this is the only pop album I had to repeatedly listen to till I finally like it, cant find that in pop. They change too, each album sounds very different from the other, so they are proggressing as a band, no question about it, but they arn't progressing music as a whole much, mabey a little.

They are for sure more prog then Mettalica, and I have seen a few of Mettalica's albums on this web site.

Not prog, but sure as hell not pop.

They are not prog, but they are definitely progressive compared to most popular bands this day in age.  It really is pretty amazing that they are as popular as they are given their bizzare music.  I like them very much, and they are not prog, but they are also Not Just Another Metal Band.

As for tool, they are definitely prog.  If you disagree, please go read the definition of prog rock as written on this very site, then listen to Lateralus from start to finish and realize the folly of your ways. 

Don't judge a band by what you hear on mainstream radio.  often misleading.  I used to think Yes sucked because the only song I'd ever heard was Owner of a Lonely Heart.

SOAD is a good band of nu metal, they are different from the others because of the arabic influences. The fact that their music is more elaborated(sometimes) than other nu metal bands and that there're some time changes doesn't mean that they're prog.

And the same goes for Green day, punk opera doesn't mean prog.

P.D: I like some stuff from SOAD and green day, I used to have some SOAD cds but I gave them to my brother.

DavidInsabella wrote: seabre wrote: If you're going to go into a "punk prog" area. The Mars Volta is the closest thing to that.. No they aren't. That would imply that The Mars Volta is a gray area between the two, but the Mars Volta is more progressive than many of the groups from the 70s. There are no punk elements in the Mars Volta's music. They play loud and fast, so does Dream Theater. Are they a punk band?

TMV have a punk heritage. I agree that there's not much Punk audible in their music, but If you know Omar and Cedric from ATD, you see/hear the connection.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: DavidInsabella wrote: seabre wrote: If you're going to go into a "punk prog" area. The Mars Volta is the closest thing to that.. No they aren't. That would imply that The Mars Volta is a gray area between the two, but the Mars Volta is more progressive than many of the groups from the 70s. There are no punk elements in the Mars Volta's music. They play loud and fast, so does Dream Theater. Are they a punk band? TMV have a punk heritage. I agree that there's not much Punk audible in their music, but If you know Omar and Cedric from ATD, you see/hear the connection.

I can't stand the whole punk prog label. Most of the groups put under it are punk bands that happen to have competent musicians. Just because a punk band never did something doesn't mean it hasn't been done many times before.

GoldenSpiral wrote: They are not prog, but they are definitely progressive compared to most popular bands this day in age.  It really is pretty amazing that they are as popular as they are given their bizzare music.  I like them very much, and they are not prog, but they are also Not Just Another Metal Band. As for tool, they are definitely prog.  If you disagree, please go read the definition of prog rock as written on this very site, then listen to Lateralus from start to finish and realize the folly of your ways.  Don't judge a band by what you hear on mainstream radio.  often misleading.  I used to think Yes sucked because the only song I'd ever heard was Owner of a Lonely Heart.

I think harmony also makes a prog band... Tool is good, but I don't find the harmonic variations needed to call them prog. That happens with a lot of "prog metal bands"

frinspar wrote: I like prog. I like SOAD. It is possible to like things outside of prog, and not to justify everything one listens to as prog so it will fit into their schema. The fact that they play straight metal with a twist and are better than the rappy nu metal garbage shouldn't confuse people into thinking they are prog. It just says that radio made a mistake and played something better than the low average for once.

Who is saying that prog is all people listen to on this site.  I know I don't.  So I can objectively say that SOAD are a bag of steaming sh*te.

The problem is people who like prog think everything they like is prog, or do not want to like things other than prog, so they try to make everything they like to fit in the prog genre. Tou can like music other than prog, it's quiet possible...

I herd a song from system of a down the other day, it was called BOYB, or well, it was 4 capitalized letters, and let me tell you it was pure metal bullsh*t, nothing even close to prog.

Borealis wrote: The problem is people who like prog think everything they like is prog, or do not want to like things other than prog, so they try to make everything they like to fit in the prog genre. Tou can like music other than prog, it's quiet possible... I herd a song from system of a down the other day, it was called BOYB, or well, it was 4 capitalized letters, and let me tell you it was pure metal bullsh*t, nothing even close to prog.

I don't get it ... in the first paragraph you try to describe that it's possible to like other things than prog. So far, so good ... but in the second paragraph, you go completely over the top and call SOAD bullsh*t. You can't get much more stupid and ignorant than that ...

People, you're making a fool of yourself when you bash bands from other genres which are - objectively - very good at what they're doing. Fell free to say anything you want, but don't complain about other people not taking you seriously after such statements.

So congratulations Borealis, you're the first on my ignore list. ...

spectral wrote: frinspar wrote: I like prog. I like SOAD. It is possible to like things outside of prog, and not to justify everything one listens to as prog so it will fit into their schema. The fact that they play straight metal with a twist and are better than the rappy nu metal garbage shouldn't confuse people into thinking they are prog. It just says that radio made a mistake and played something better than the low average for once. Who is saying that prog is all people listen to on this site.  I know I don't.  So I can objectively say that SOAD are a bag of steaming sh*te.

An you are number 2 ... congratulations to you as well.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: An you are number 2 ... congratulations to you as well.

You are such a f***ing idiot.  I cannot stand SOAD; my dislike for their music transcends genres.  They may be good at what they do, but I DON'T like what they do.  So go ahead, ignore me.  It's always intelligent to ignore people with an opposing opinion, NOT!

spectral wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: An you are number 2 ... congratulations to you as well. You are such a f***ing idiot.  I cannot stand SOAD; my dislike for their music transcends genres.  They may be good at what they do, but I DON'T like what they do.  So go ahead, ignore me.  It's always intelligent to ignore people with an opposing opinion, NOT!

You should read my post again ... you didn't understand a single word I said. I DON'T have any problem with people who don't like SOAD. I'm not even a big fan myself. But you said that I'm an idiot. Not just now, but in the post I was answering, by saying that SOAD objectively are crap. By saying so, you implicitly call anyone an idiot who happens to disagree.

There's a subtle difference between saying they're  "pure metal bullsh*t/ bag of steaming sh*te" or "I DON'T like what they do". The first is ignorant and offensive, the second is perfectly agreeable.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: You should read my post again ... you didn't understand a single word I said. I DON'T have any problem with people who don't like SOAD. I'm not even a big fan myself. But you said that I'm an idiot. Not just now, but in the post I was answering, by saying that SOAD objectively are crap. By saying so, you implicitly call anyone an idiot who happens to disagree. There's a subtle difference between saying they're  "pure metal bullsh*t/ bag of steaming sh*te" or "I DON'T like what they do". The first is ignorant and offensive, the second is perfectly agreeable.

1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion?  Is there a list of words I can use or perhaps phrases I can choose from.  Perhaps all posts should be vetted to ensure the opinion is not going to disgruntle someone or to ensure it conforms to everyone else's.

2. it's not ignorant to say they are a bag of steaming sh1te.  I've listened to a lot of their music and I am happy to say that it is a bag of steaming sh1te.

3. I called you an idiot in reference to your childish comments to ignore my posts, not in reference to SOAD.  where in my previous post where I called SOAD a bag of steaming sh1te did I say that you or anyone else is an idiot?  If you are so hyper-sensitive that you take an opinion about a band as personal attack, then you need to re-assess visting forums for discussion on music.

By the way, we don't live in a fascist state.  We have the freedom to express our opinions in anyway we like.  Calling them a bag of steaming sh1te is hardly directing my dislike of their music at anyone; I'm saying that I don't like their music, not the people who listen to their music - which is what we are discussing here.

spectral wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: You should read my post again ... you didn't understand a single word I said. I DON'T have any problem with people who don't like SOAD. I'm not even a big fan myself. But you said that I'm an idiot. Not just now, but in the post I was answering, by saying that SOAD objectively are crap. By saying so, you implicitly call anyone an idiot who happens to disagree. There's a subtle difference between saying they're  "pure metal bullsh*t/ bag of steaming sh*te" or "I DON'T like what they do". The first is ignorant and offensive, the second is perfectly agreeable. 1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion?  Is there a list of words I can use or perhaps phrases I can choose from.  Perhaps all posts should be vetted to ensure the opinion is not going to disgruntle someone or to ensure it conforms to everyone else's.

Just be polite. In a normal conversation with people whom you respect and of whom you know that they like SOAD, you wouldn't use those words ...

spectral wrote: 2. it's not ignorant to say they are a bag of steaming sh1te.  I've listened to a lot of their music and I am happy to say that it is a bag of steaming sh1te.

Say anything you want ... in return I say that you know as much about music as a pineapple. Freedom of speech, you said it yourself.

spectral wrote: 3. I called you an idiot in reference to your childish comments to ignore my posts, not in reference to SOAD.  where in my previous post where I called SOAD a bag of steaming sh1te did I say that you or anyone else is an idiot?  If you are so hyper-sensitive that you take an opinion about a band as personal attack, then you need to re-assess visting forums for discussion on music.

Why are you so hypersensitive about me ignoring you? Why should you even bother? I mean, I like SOAD, so my opinions shouldn't mean much to you anyway ...

spectral wrote: By the way, we don't live in a fascist state.  We have the freedom to express our opinions in anyway we like.  Calling them a bag of steaming sh1te is hardly directing my dislike of their music at anyone; I'm saying that I don't like their music, not the people who listen to their music - which is what we are discussing here.

Again: Feel free to say anything ... even if it makes other people laugh at you, you're still free to say it.

spectral wrote: 1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion?

BTW: There's no etiquette for expressing opinions ... but there's a difference between opinions, accusations, insults and just wrong facts.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: spectral wrote: 1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion?  BTW: There's no etiquette for expressing opinions ... but there's a difference between opinions, accusations, insults and just wrong facts.

How can my opinion be wrong, when it is my opinion?  music is subjective.  there is no right or wrong answer as to whether you like a band's music or not.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: 1. I didn't realise there was an etiquette for expressing one's opinion?  Is there a list of words I can use or perhaps phrases I can choose from.  Perhaps all posts should be vetted to ensure the opinion is not going to disgruntle someone or to ensure it conforms to everyone else's.

Just be polite. In a normal conversation with people whom you respect and of whom you know that they like SOAD, you wouldn't use those words ...

spectral wrote: 2. it's not ignorant to say they are a bag of steaming sh1te.  I've listened to a lot of their music and I am happy to say that it is a bag of steaming sh1te.

Say anything you want ... in return I say that you know as much about music as a pineapple. Freedom of speech, you said it yourself.

spectral wrote: 3. I called you an idiot in reference to your childish comments to ignore my posts, not in reference to SOAD.  where in my previous post where I called SOAD a bag of steaming sh1te did I say that you or anyone else is an idiot?  If you are so hyper-sensitive that you take an opinion about a band as personal attack, then you need to re-assess visting forums for discussion on music.

Why are you so hypersensitive about me ignoring you? Why should you even bother? I mean, I like SOAD, so my opinions shouldn't mean much to you anyway ...

spectral wrote: By the way, we don't live in a fascist state.  We have the freedom to express our opinions in anyway we like.  Calling them a bag of steaming sh1te is hardly directing my dislike of their music at anyone; I'm saying that I don't like their music, not the people who listen to their music - which is what we are discussing here.

Again: Feel free to say anything ... even if it makes other people laugh at you, you're still free to say it.

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1. I was being ironic. 

2. I don't care whether I am ignored or not.  just deciding to post that you are going to ignore people (not just me) is ridiculous and utterly childish.  You need to go home, give your mummy a cuddle and have a good cry.  if you're lucky she might give you a lolly!

Anyway, how can you make a judgment on someone's musical knowledge based on a couple of posts on a forum.  If someone disgrees with you or posts in a way that you don't like you take offence, what is the deal with that?!  Like I said, you are a f***ing idiot.

spectral wrote:   2. I don't care whether I am ignored or not.  just deciding to post that you are going to ignore people (not just me) is ridiculous and utterly childish.  You need to go home, give your mummy a cuddle and have a good cry.  if you're lucky she might give you a lolly!

 Now which one of us doesn't recognize irony ...

spectral wrote:   Anyway, how can you make a judgment on someone's musical knowledge based on a couple of posts on a forum.  If someone disgrees with you or posts in a way that you don't like you take offence, what is the deal with that?!  Like I said, you are a f***ing idiot.

If someone says that David Gilmour can't play the guitar, Christina Aguilera can't sing or SOAD are bad musicians, I don't need to know anything else. That person disqualifies his/herself. That person is an idiot. Fact, not opinion.

spectral wrote: If someone disgrees with you or posts in a way that you don't like you take offence, what is the deal with that?!  Like I said, you are a f***ing idiot.

I didn't take offence ... I'm not even taking offence from you calling me a f**king idiot.

I'm just laughing about you ... and you seem to take offence. Just ignore me ...

SOAD aren't bad musicians, their songs are just sh1te. IMO

I don't have the ego to take offence over these sorts of things.

Let's end this discussion and to agree to disagree.

spectral wrote: SOAD aren't bad musicians, their songs are just sh1te. IMO I don't have the ego to take offence over these sorts of things. Let's end this discussion and to agree to disagree.

No problem. That huge IMO even removed you from my ignore list.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Borealis wrote: The problem is people who like prog think everything they like is prog, or do not want to like things other than prog, so they try to make everything they like to fit in the prog genre. Tou can like music other than prog, it's quiet possible... I herd a song from system of a down the other day, it was called BOYB, or well, it was 4 capitalized letters, and let me tell you it was pure metal bullsh*t, nothing even close to prog. I don't get it ... in the first paragraph you try to describe that it's possible to like other things than prog. So far, so good ... but in the second paragraph, you go completely over the top and call SOAD bullsh*t. You can't get much more stupid and ignorant than that ... People, you're making a fool of yourself when you bash bands from other genres which are - objectively - very good at what they're doing. Fell free to say anything you want, but don't complain about other people not taking you seriously after such statements. So congratulations Borealis, you're the first on my ignore list. ...

Your ignore list? Should I take it as an honour?

Well, if you look at my second statement, I said SoaD is bullsh*t, but that's subjective. I could have said 'I think in my personal opinion that they are sh*t', but that would have been rather long. I also was kind of shocked to see people saying that kind of music is 'prog', and so making it in the same genre as Genesis, Supertram, Can or Dream Theater. You says I can't be more stupid and ignorent than that, well first, thanks a lot . Then second, just a question, do you hate a band? Is it stupid to hate a band? Is it ignorent to hate a band, especially when it's some pop music and were being on a progressive rock forum and not a pop-metal forum?

I hate system of a down because they make melodic-less pop music for 13 year old angry boys and try to make them think it is pop by making it metal, IN MY OPINION.

Borealis wrote: I hate system of a down because they make melodic-less pop music for 13 year old angry boys and try to make them think it is pop by making it metal, IN MY OPINION.

I don't have a problem when you say that you don't like them. But I like them, and if I read your sentence correctly, you implicitly call me an 13 year old angry boy. I don't like that.

Both of you (Borealis and spectral) just go over the top in expressing your anger towards these bands. Tell me what bands you like, and I'll post some theories about how old fans of these bands usually are, and that they're idiots because they listen to such bullsh*te ... great fun, isn't it?

Well, That's what I feel the aim of their music is. I saw their videoclip, and you know, and that's probably what the music industry want, but I won't start talking about the music industry, or I'll get mad...

Anyway, sorry if I insulted you, that wasn't my intention.

Borealis wrote: Well, That's what I feel the aim of their music is. I saw their videoclip, and you know, and that's probably what the music industry want, but I won't start talking about the music industry, or I'll get mad... Anyway, sorry if I insulted you, that wasn't my intention.

I doubt that 13 years old kids understand the SOAD lyrics. Anyway, SOAD are not the only band that is forced to make video clips of their songs ... if Yes or Genesis published their masterpieces today, I'm sure that they'd also have to make some pretty cheesy videos.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Borealis wrote: Well, That's what I feel the aim of their music is. I saw their videoclip, and you know, and that's probably what the music industry want, but I won't start talking about the music industry, or I'll get mad... Anyway, sorry if I insulted you, that wasn't my intention. I doubt that 13 years old kids understand the SOAD lyrics. Anyway, SOAD are not the only band that is forced to make video clips of their songs ... if Yes or Genesis published their masterpieces today, I'm sure that they'd also have to make some pretty cheesy videos.

My cock is bigger than yours...

Borealis wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Borealis wrote: Well, That's what I feel the aim of their music is. I saw their videoclip, and you know, and that's probably what the music industry want, but I won't start talking about the music industry, or I'll get mad... Anyway, sorry if I insulted you, that wasn't my intention. I doubt that 13 years old kids understand the SOAD lyrics. Anyway, SOAD are not the only band that is forced to make video clips of their songs ... if Yes or Genesis published their masterpieces today, I'm sure that they'd also have to make some pretty cheesy videos. My cock is bigger than yours...

Feel free to post pictures to prove your point.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Borealis wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Borealis wrote: Well, That's what I feel the aim of their music is. I saw their videoclip, and you know, and that's probably what the music industry want, but I won't start talking about the music industry, or I'll get mad... Anyway, sorry if I insulted you, that wasn't my intention. I doubt that 13 years old kids understand the SOAD lyrics. Anyway, SOAD are not the only band that is forced to make video clips of their songs ... if Yes or Genesis published their masterpieces today, I'm sure that they'd also have to make some pretty cheesy videos. My cock is bigger than yours... Feel free to post pictures to prove your point.

I would, but I got no digital camera... too bad

frinspar wrote: No, see, the correct response is: I don't have a wide angle lens.

Make that a weather satellite in high orbit.

"Is that Italy or are you just happy to see me"

^

As a longtime fan of the band I can safely say they are not prog rock or prog metal. However they are definitely progressive and innovative, and their worldwide success proves there still is hope for mainstream music.

1One1 wrote: Dont have enough time to read the whole thread: so some of this may be covered in which case I apologise, but those who are bashing their lyrics dont get'm. 1) Soldier Side Simple. It's not hard. "All grow up to die". 2) BYOB "Why do they always send the poor?" Anti-War 3) Revenga "My sweet revenge, Will be yours." Violence begets violence. Revenge only hurts yourself etc. 4) CIGARO "My cock is much bigger than yours!" It's Anti-War. Cock is a metaphor for army and it's a holier-than-thou song sarcastically. 5) Radio\Video I'd have to write too many lyrics. It's an innocence-lost thingy. FYI: Danny and Lisa are two of Daron's (guitarist) mates from when he was a kiddy 6) This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I'm On This Song Insanity. What were you expecting with that song title? 7) Violent Pornography All the sh*t that's on TV has become a Violent Pornography. "It's a violent pornography...the kind of sh*t you get on your TV". 8) Question! Does destiny exist? (paraphrased) Where do we go when we die? 9) Sad Statue Calling the new generation a war-mongering hateful generation which the ideas of America would be ashamed of. "You and me we'll all go down in history with a...Sad statue of liberty and a generation that didn't agree" 10) Old School Hollywood Daron wanted to play in the Hollywood baseball match but found it fake and plastic and hated his time. "Standing in the sun I'm about to melt!" 11) Lost in Hollywood Hollywood is scum. "You should've never trusted Hollywood" All of them except "This Cocaine..." have meaningful lyrics about today's generation. Dark Side of the Moon anybody?

Great. What do the topics of the songs have to do with the question whether something is progressive? Nothing at all.

1One1 wrote: Dont have enough time to read the whole thread: so some of this may be covered in which case I apologise, but those who are bashing their lyrics dont get'm. 1) Soldier Side Simple. It's not hard. "All grow up to die". 2) BYOB "Why do they always send the poor?" Anti-War 3) Revenga "My sweet revenge, Will be yours." Violence begets violence. Revenge only hurts yourself etc. 4) CIGARO "My cock is much bigger than yours!" It's Anti-War. Cock is a metaphor for army and it's a holier-than-thou song sarcastically. 5) Radio\Video I'd have to write too many lyrics. It's an innocence-lost thingy. FYI: Danny and Lisa are two of Daron's (guitarist) mates from when he was a kiddy 6) This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I'm On This Song Insanity. What were you expecting with that song title? 7) Violent Pornography All the sh*t that's on TV has become a Violent Pornography. "It's a violent pornography...the kind of sh*t you get on your TV". 8) Question! Does destiny exist? (paraphrased) Where do we go when we die? 9) Sad Statue Calling the new generation a war-mongering hateful generation which the ideas of America would be ashamed of. "You and me we'll all go down in history with a...Sad statue of liberty and a generation that didn't agree" 10) Old School Hollywood Daron wanted to play in the Hollywood baseball match but found it fake and plastic and hated his time. "Standing in the sun I'm about to melt!" 11) Lost in Hollywood Hollywood is scum. "You should've never trusted Hollywood" All of them except "This Cocaine..." have meaningful lyrics about today's generation. Dark Side of the Moon anybody?

So many good lessons for the humanity, they can be proud of it... Seriously, is there anything more pop than that, anti-war lyrics, or anti0violance ones? What about a song about september 11?...

Oh.. I really hate this nu-metal thing. What? Prog? Don't make me laugh. SOAD may be a good band in its genre but no relationship with progressive rock (imho).

Take it easy, guys..

It's the progressive/prog thing again.

No, SOAD are definitely NOT prog rock.

I think they're an amazing metal band (and I choose a broad category deliberately due to my own aversion to subcategories), they have a unique and progressive sound - or at least, they did on Toxicity, and they have a refreshingly intelligent approach to lyric-writing. Intelligent lyric writing is not necessarily a prog thing - Paul Simon has written some blinders.

Mesmerize has a squeakier production, but the playing standard and songwriting attitude is not as serious as it was on Toxicity, which I think is by far the superior album, and the one to judge SOAD on.

Mesmerize made me chuckle many times the first time I heard it - as did the single BYOB. Maybe they're trying to have more fun doing what they do? Who cares?

They're not prog, but they are extremely good at what they do.

(IMHO)

You want amusing? There's apparently a couple threads out there worth checking out ...

.... like the 200+ page one about Mariah Carey

.... or the several about Rush versus ELP that just derail into mud-slinging of the most hilarious variety.

Anyway. Welcome to the threads! Lots of people get emails about new replies to threads (such as meself) so no tomatoes necessary. Unless you should like them, in which case go for it:

 <--- that one sort of looks like an angry tomato, which periodically blinks at you.

I don't care if this thread is not active anymore. I just wanted to say that I REALLY hope SOAD takes the step forward and becomes a prog metal band like Tool. Because, let me remind you that Tool didn't start that way... the band evolved.

Aenima was something of an effort at prog, I guess one could say that... but just a couple of years ago with Lateralus was when they truly did "push the envelope" (pun intended!) and kick some serious prog rocker's *ss!

It'd be a shame if talented people like the members of SOAD (especially the guitarist) wanted to take the other path and decided to include rapping and turntables (which they haven't done yet) like the rest of the nu-metal bands already did. So far, in my opinion, SOAD stands in the middle between prog metal and nu-metal.

I think it'd also be very cool if SOAD exploted those eastern flavors they add to their music although in a more, let's say... proggish way???

As a lover of prog metal I just wanted to express my thoughts on this band. Let's hope for the best.

seabre wrote: alan_pfeifer wrote: I see alot more of what many of you consider "prog" in them.  Just because they write 3 minute songs doesn't ,mean they suck.  They tend to cram alot into the songs. Oh. Ok. That makes Blink 182 prog too, I guess.

No, it doesn't.  Myabe our definitions of what "cramming stuff" is different, but for a ""Nu-metal" band (which they've been branded) to do what they do, I find it admirable.  And there's been a definite progression in their music from album to album.  I'm not saying that that they should be added to the site or anything, but that I like and respect what they're doing for mainstream music at the moment, which was more than I could say for Blink 182.