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John Gargo
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 22:22 |
It's a Pink Floyd album, and the last one worth owning.
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Hangedman
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 21:24 |
Interesting topic, although i only warmed up to TFC about two weeks ago I still think its more a waters album than anything. I didn't like it initially because the band works together so well as a team (if you dont believe me dogs and echoes... nuff said) but it is a good album (so is hitchiking by waters) but not pink floyd.
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Vegetableman
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 19:23 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
It's too hit or miss to me. Roger Waters was really just putting the "final cut" on the whole "My Daddy Died in the War" notion that we got from the Wall. I enjoy the solos, the best song on that album is Not Now John. |
I don't know where people get this "My Daddy Died in the War" notion all over the Wall & TFC from. Three songs... Another Brick in the Wall 1, The Post War Dream, and When the Tigers Broke Free only mentioned anything about his father, give or take one I may have forgotten
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"Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?"
"Progressive.... yeah, that's it..."
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Vegetableman
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 19:18 |
Lunarscape wrote:
TFC was originally to be the third side of TW album, but the record company didnt allow PF to put a Triple record on the market so the stuff on TFC was released later. The relations between band members had deteriorated badly after TW was released and Waters remixed TFC almost on his own with guest musicians, and the album was released as a PF recording, to satisfy a contract, between PF and the record company.
Personally I believe it to be a great album with higher musical standards than TW. Great compositions and the technical output is finer than that of TW. The Finall Cut just proves that Roger Waters is indeed Mr Pink Floyd and without him, the remains just survived on the Brand Name and would have been better off calling themselves "The David Gilmore Blues Band" or whatever.
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There is nothing true about that....
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"Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?"
"Progressive.... yeah, that's it..."
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Lunarscape
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 18:48 |
Cluster One wrote:
Lunarscape wrote:
T(he)F(inal)C(ut) was originally to be the third side of T(he)W(all) album |
This statement is completely false.
[quote=Lunarscape]but the record company didnt allow PF to put a Triple record on the market so the stuff on TFC was released later. The relations between band members had deteriorated badly after TW was released and Waters remixed TFC almost on his own with guest musicians, and the album was released as a PF recording, to satisfy a contract, between PF and the record company. Are you sure about these two points? |
The info was printed, I cant recall where, just after the release of TFC. Recently I discussed the matter with Maani over pm's and this piece of info was brought up again.
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Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . .
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Cluster One
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 18:30 |
Lunarscape wrote:
T(he)F(inal)C(ut) was originally to be the third side of T(he)W(all) album |
This statement is completely false.
Lunarscape wrote:
but the record company didnt allow PF to put a
Triple record on the market so the stuff on TFC was released later.
The relations between band members had deteriorated badly after TW was
released and Waters remixed TFC almost on his own with guest musicians,
and the album was released as a PF recording, to satisfy a contract,
between PF and the record company. |
Are you sure about these two points?
Lunarscape wrote:
Personally I believe it to be a great album with higher musical standards than TW. |
Better musically than "The Wall"? A better mix maybe...
Lunarscape wrote:
Great compositions and the technical output is finer than that of TW. |
Agreed!
Lunarscape wrote:
The Finall Cut just proves that Roger Waters is
indeed Mr Pink Floyd and without him, the remains just survived on the
Brand Name and would have been better off calling themselves "The David
Gilmore Blues Band" or whatever. |
Many, many Floyd fans would disagree with this statement, especially Gilmour (not Gilmore) supporters
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Possessed
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 18:24 |
It's a Roger Waters album. Here's my reasoning. It's like a stripped down Pink Floyd album with phoned in performances from David Gilmour and Nick Mason. Roger the egomaniac now has complete control of every aspect of the band. It's also very similar in musical style to The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking, Roger's next album.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 18:23 |
It's too hit or miss to me. Roger Waters was really just putting the "final cut" on the whole "My Daddy Died in the War" notion that we got from the Wall. I enjoy the solos, the best song on that album is Not Now John.
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Lunarscape
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 18:14 |
TFC was originally to be the third side of TW album, but the record company didnt allow PF to put a Triple record on the market so the stuff on TFC was released later. The relations between band members had deteriorated badly after TW was released and Waters remixed TFC almost on his own with guest musicians, and the album was released as a PF recording, to satisfy a contract, between PF and the record company.
Personally I believe it to be a great album with higher musical standards than TW. Great compositions and the technical output is finer than that of TW. The Finall Cut just proves that Roger Waters is indeed Mr Pink Floyd and without him, the remains just survived on the Brand Name and would have been better off calling themselves "The David Gilmore Blues Band" or whatever.
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Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . .
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threefates
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 17:46 |
Never really liked this album. The only thing I do like is the guitar solos. To me that doesn't make it a Floyd album... just as Floyd Wright said... Waters with contract musicians... and Roger's voice has always irritated the crap out of me... He should of atleast let Dave sing...
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THIS IS ELP
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FloydWright
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 17:01 |
While I do rate David's playing contributions as important, I think of it mainly as a Roger Waters album with guest musicians (I should also add Michael Kamen as an important guest on this one).
As far as Roger's solo albums, this would be the best one he's done. None of the rest stacked up to this. Amused to Death got close, but not quite.
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Cluster One
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 16:59 |
It is a Pink Floyd album. Says so right there on the cover...
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Vegetableman
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 16:42 |
Davids contributions were the guitars, rather obviously. But it is a Waters album
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"Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?"
"Progressive.... yeah, that's it..."
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frenchie
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 16:05 |
i wish i cud have voted for RW album AND the album sucks!
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 15:42 |
Although I consider it a Waters album, I still love it--The Gunner's Dream especially. What a great song.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 15:40 |
David Gilmour found working with Waters unbearable at this point. Waters wanted Gilmour to come off the production credits for the album, which he did. Waters felt it was more his project than a PF album. The concept was his, and he was trying to distance himself from the others as much as possible.
The bad feeling had well taken root by The Wall, and Gilmour felt that the songs on The Final Cut were rejects from the Wall sessions.
Personally, I can take or leave TFC, but I dont think its as bad as Gilmour claimed. I guess his appraisal of the album was tainted by the ill feeling between him and Waters.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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greenback
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 15:33 |
the solos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the solos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!1
gilmour produced OUTSTANDING solos on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ask 3-fates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the compositions are however waterian! so, gilmourian solos, and waterian arrangements, if not kamenian!
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Wizard/TRueStar
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 15:28 |
I'm not asking because I don't know, If you thought that.
TFC gets a lot of people yapping about it being a Roger Waters solo album because it was all his input. I disagree. This piece would not sound the same without David and Nick even though Roger wrote the whole thing. How about those SOLOS!!!! OMG!!!! Those are my favorite Gilmour solos. And Nick too! His parts are few but they are intense!
A very intense and moving piece over all, even more intensified by David and Nick playing on the album.
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