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Paulieg 
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 Posted: July 07 2005 at 11:50 |
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How about Zero Hour's "The Tower's of Avarice." Awsome prog metal disc. Maybe Opeth is a bit more brutal, but I find Zero Hour to be much more progressive. Another good one is Spiral Architect's, "A Sceptic's Universe." Anyways, these are heavier than Dream Theater, and I feel much more progressive than Opeth. Of course this doesn't include Opeth's masterpiece, Damnation, but I do not consider this album metal at all. Peace.
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silversaw
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 11:58 |
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I'm not really going to go into albums, but as far as bands go I'd agree with Dream Theater and Opeth. Also Ayreon is one for some heavy stuff as is some of Symphony X's material!!! I'm still trying to figure out why Meshuggah(sp) is on this site. I purchsed one of their discs in hopes of finding something prog I hadn't known before, but once again it comes down to straight metal with very few prog tendencies!!! We really should differentiate some of this bands better!!!!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:14 |
 LDGuy wrote:
Progressive death metal, an area not really covered by this site, is the area you really should check out - Meshugga, Cryptopsy, Death, Dying Fetus, Obiturary, Necrophagist, Morbid Angel, the list goes on. If you want to find something unique, you need to step away from this site and find some stuff for yourself - i suggest some directory sites of possible bands to look up, a file sharing/p2p program like KaZaA or WinMX and Amazon to buy your disks. |
Ahem ... Meshuggah is nowhere near Death Metal. But I agree that the more extreme forms of prog metal are a minority here ... but then again, they're a minority in real life, too. Maybe we need to invent a cool subgenre name like Zeuhl to get more respect.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:16 |
silversaw wrote:
I'm not really going to go into albums, but as far as bands go I'd agree with Dream Theater and Opeth. Also Ayreon is one for some heavy stuff as is some of Symphony X's material!!! I'm still trying to figure out why Meshuggah(sp) is on this site. I purchsed one of their discs in hopes of finding something prog I hadn't known before, but once again it comes down to straight metal with very few prog tendencies!!! We really should differentiate some of this bands better!!!! |
What album did you buy? You should try to swap it with Nothing or Catch 33 on Ebay. Or listen to it some more, it might grow on you.
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Wreath
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:19 |
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I will sign Opeth as a one of heaviest prog bands ever. Songs like:
"The Leper Affinity" or "Wreath" are totally headcrushers. But the
heaviest prog album I've ever heard is:
Messhugah - Catch 33
Yes, this one is a real mindkiller. Eight string guitars and Jens's
voice are like a driller inside your head. And those lirycs combining
paradox philosophy with extreme stream of hate.
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FishyMonkey
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:23 |
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I haven't heard Meshuggah or Cynic, but Opeth gets pretty brutal.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:27 |
Extol - Blueprint.
Brutal Christian Hardcore Metal.
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Wreath
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:36 |
FishyMonkey wrote:
I haven't heard Meshuggah or Cynic, but Opeth gets pretty brutal.
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I would say that Meshuggah is not more brutal than Opeth, but if I can
compare Opeth with Meshuggah, the second one is more heavier. For me
Cynic is about Opeth's brutality but in a different style.
BTW: Do you heard about Death?
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SirPsycho388
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:38 |
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DREAM THEATER - TRAIN OF THOUGHT
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Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:42 |
SirPsycho388 wrote:
DREAM THEATER - TRAIN OF THOUGHT |
Is not the heaviest, listen to Wreath on Deliverance and yeeeks!
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:48 |
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Everything by Opeth except for Damnation,Meshuggah and Cynic's Focus cd.
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captain beyond
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:48 |
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Many awesomely heavy and progressive bands have been listed in this
discussion. There are probably a good dozen more that could be added.
Please indulge me while I add two:
GORGUTS--Obscura. Yes, this was a death metal band, but they went off
the deep end here. It's more complex and twisted than even Cryptopsy's
best stuff. Even for a person who says that Meshuggah is not
progressive, this would strike them as staggeringly progressive.
Caveat: the vocals are in a death metal style but the musician ship is
jaw-dropping.
SPIRAL ARCHITECT--Sceptic's Universe. To my ears, more interesting
compositionally and melodically than Dream Theatre with equivalent
technical skills but more imaginative playing. I also find the vocals
to have more personality than DT's. If I had to make any comparisons, I
might say a much more technical, better recorded 'Awaken the Guardian'
(Fates Warning). Recorded in Sweden 1999/2000, this is one of the top-5
prog-metal albums I've ever heard.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:49 |
captain beyond wrote:
SPIRAL ARCHITECT--Sceptic's Universe. To my ears, more interesting compositionally and melodically than Dream Theatre with equivalent technical skills but more imaginative playing. I also find the vocals to have more personality than DT's. If I had to make any comparisons, I might say a much more technical, better recorded 'Awaken the Guardian' (Fates Warning). Recorded in Sweden 1999/2000, this is one of the top-5 prog-metal albums I've ever heard.
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That's odd ... IMO Spiral Architect seriously lack emotions ... especially the vocals. It's a good album nonetheless.
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captain beyond
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:56 |
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Hi Mike,
I think I wrote 'personality' rather than 'emotions.' I'm not sure that
most prog-metal projects much 'emotion,' as it tends to be an
instrumentalists medium with vocals that lean towards the
performative/theatric. In comparing the SA and DT vocalists, I just
find SA's to be more individual, more identifiable. One of the problems
I've always had with DT (and I saw them open up for Maiden in 1992) is
their vocals, which sound somewhat generic to me. Not lacking in
emotion so much as lacking in personality.
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Coya
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Posted: July 07 2005 at 17:17 |
You've made a point captain beyond, "emotion" and "personality" are escential, but actually for any group in any music genre. If Dream Theater fullfills that, it's probably another topic, but in my opinion they certainly do (specially in I and W, Awake, Change of Seasons and Scenes from a Memory).
Now, if we get to the Black/Death-Metal-Prog branch, they are going to be certainly the heaviest (or the "metalest", since I'd agree that actually Maiden is "heavy"), and IMO Arcturus, Opeth, Emperor (earlier and later work) and Cynic will do; and the first three have hell of "emotion" and "personality". (I don't include Cynic, because they play more death metal oriented prog, and I do find some death bands at least as good as them => Nile).
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 02:52 |
captain beyond wrote:
Hi Mike,
I think I wrote 'personality' rather than 'emotions.' I'm not sure that most prog-metal projects much 'emotion,' as it tends to be an instrumentalists medium with vocals that lean towards the performative/theatric. In comparing the SA and DT vocalists, I just find SA's to be more individual, more identifiable. One of the problems I've always had with DT (and I saw them open up for Maiden in 1992) is their vocals, which sound somewhat generic to me. Not lacking in emotion so much as lacking in personality.
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Í see what you mean ... the problem with DT is that LaBrie doesn't participate in songwriting. I've always perceived DT as a band of exceptional musicians + a good vocalist. The fact that he leaves the stage during instrumental sections supports that feeling of "separation".
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46and2
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 02:55 |
my arms, your hearse- opeth
train of thought- dream theater
aenima- tool
any meshuggah album
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Progzilla
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 03:55 |
This thread contain a lot of interesting bands, so I though I would do
a poll on the BEST heavy prog album. To limit the contenders, I'll only
include the ones that are features on progarchives. So far I've pulled
out these albums from this thread:
Arcturus - The sham mirror
Ark - Burn the sun
Cynic - Focus
Devin Townsend - Terria
Dream Theater - Train of Thought
Meshuggah - Destroy erase improve
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Spiral architect - A Sceptic's Universe
Tool - Lateralus
Voivod - Dimension hatross
Zero Hour - The Tower's of Avarice
Any more suggestions, or want another album of a specific artist? I'm
still pondering wether to include Dream Theater or not... I don't think
it's really as heavy as the others.. what do you think?
I'll make the poll later today!
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Currently listening to:
- Andromeda
- Pagan's Mind
- Kamelot
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Progzilla
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 04:32 |
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Hmm, I forgot:
Pain of Salvation - Entropia
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Currently listening to:
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- Pagan's Mind
- Kamelot
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 08 2005 at 04:38 |
Progzilla wrote:
Hmm, I forgot:
Pain of Salvation - Entropia
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Pain Of Salvation - One Hour By The Concrete Lake
It's heavier than Entropia.
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