what is the heaviest prog metal album?
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Topic: what is the heaviest prog metal album?
Posted By: frenchie
Subject: what is the heaviest prog metal album?
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 15:49
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what do you think is the heaviest prog metal album on this site? i would say (out of the ones ive heard) opeth blackwater park closely followed by train of thought by dream theater. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 15:50
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maybe add some tool in there too ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 15:55
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Blackwater, by far
------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: frosty
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 15:58
| Blackwater Park yes. Maybe some early Voivod, Dimension Hatross for example, some would say this is all out thrash metal though |
Posted By: Eemu Ranta
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 16:02
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I'd say that Opeth's third album "My arms your hearse" is a bit heavier
than BWP, although the title track is one of their darkest and most
morbid moments. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 16:14
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dream theater awake is heavy but train of thought is heavier ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 16:35
| I don't find Awake heavy. Heavier than anything previous to Scenes From a Memory, but nothing they've done has been all that heavy. |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 16:36
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One of my faves is "Burn the Sun" by Ark. Most of it is pretty heavy... Peace. |
Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 16:39
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If I want heavy, I'be sure to put on some Suffocation. Opeth is alright, but their later stuff (BwP and on) has been way too stale for its own good. |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 16:45
| Heaviest I've heard is...Dream Theater's "Scenes" or Ayreon's "The Human Equation." But really, neither is really heavy at all. And I haven't heard Tool, Opeth, or any of Dream Theater's heaviest yet. I need to. Seriously. |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 16:46
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very 'eavy, very 'umble.... As far as I know about prog metal... (what can I do, I'm too old to rock'n roll, but too young to die...) ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 17:36
| dreamthetar isnt that heavy. tool. thats heavy. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 17:39
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Yeah, that one is intense. |
Eemu Ranta wrote:Posted By: Spanky
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 17:59
| I'd say Blackwater Park but I agree that My Arms, Your Hearse is very heavy too. |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 18:40
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Dream Theatre Live at Budokan. It consists of three CD's, so it must be the heaviest.  |
Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 13:46
... No. |
Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 14:36
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My Arms, Your Hearse is probably the heaviest I've heard so far. Yet if you read the lyrics and take an interest in the concept, it's genuinely emotional. It's not just screaming for the sake of screaming and making noise. Which is why I think it's a fantastic album.
Train of Thought is pretty heavy, too...not quite as heavy as Opeth's stuff, but it's very good. Some of Symphony X's songs can get heavier, but I'd never call an entire album of theirs "heavy" in the way that Opeth is. Those synths they use tend to brighten things up a bit much for that. I love them, though...hence the avatar. 
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Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 15:02
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the stuff of arcturus.. -------------  
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Posted By: slipperman
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 17:40
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Opeth - 'Still Life'. Any Opeth. And Voivod's 'Dimension Hatross' is pretty damaging too. ------------- ...it is real...it is Rael... |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 22:50
| Depends on what your definition of heavy is, loud instruments or extremely intense. I find Comus (a folk-prog band) manages to have a shockingly hard sound, listen to the downloadable "song to comus" and tell me your not shocked at the raw intensity of it. While not the hardest per say, it is worth a look if only to change your perception of "Hard" music. |
Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 22:53
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Deliverance is also a heavier Opeth album
------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: starofsirius
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 23:19
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Opeth "Blackwater Park" although "Still Life" is very heavy too. ------------- "I'm in a freefall like a snowflake falling down down down down down." |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 23:29
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yeah, i think it's all about how you define heavy like Iron Maiden (not calling them prog) is a heavy band, but the guitar riffs aren't bone crunching
i dont know, maybe something like watchtower
Aaron |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 05:49
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 05:50
| I'd say Dream Theater's "Train Of Thought". |
Posted By: jonaev
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 05:58
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I think DT isnt much heavy as symphony x, for example The Odyssey could be the heaviest album... ------------- We shall live forever and cast out those less divine Gods we will be - rulers of the sea - in our Grand Design |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 06:41
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The world would be a boring place if we all had the same opinions. The Odyssey is an amazing album, but I just think ToT is heavier. |
Posted By: jonaev
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 06:57
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maybe ToT, but it's all depends how we define heavy.. ------------- We shall live forever and cast out those less divine Gods we will be - rulers of the sea - in our Grand Design |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 08:02
That's a good point. I guess we're talking about 'sonic' heaviness rather than emotional heaviness but I could be wrong. For me nothing is as heavy prog than Crimson's THRaKaTTaK but I guess Tool outdoes them for sheer sonic assault. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 13:31
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Everyone here looking for heavy but well-written owe it to themselves to get Cynic - Focus. It is, to this day, one of the best albums I've ever heard. A prog album at heart, but with some metal intentions. |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 13:54
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the albums here aren't about just making loud music.. I agree on you that focus is one of the best albums ever.. and it took about 5 years to make it.. and you can hear this.. and there are a lot of bad written not heavy albums on this archives too!! -------------
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Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 17:24
I love Symphony X, but I just have a hard time calling it "heavy" because sometimes those synths really smooth the sharp edges of a song. I do agree they're heavier than DT (though ToT gives them a run for their money), but Opeth is heavier than either. |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 18:42
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The heaviest I have heard is Tools "Lateraus". Heavy in sound and intensity and in a few spots rage, especially the song "Ticks and Leaches" the final minute or so is the heaviest moment in prog. I never considered Dream Theaters Met pt2 heavy I just got their new album but haven't heard it yet but that is heavy from everything I have heard. ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Rekkr
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 21:29
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Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse The later albums are both softer and more boring... |
Posted By: Elephant
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 06:01
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If all you can come up with in the heavy category is opeth, tool or dream theatre, you guys are seriously missing out on the real heavy sh*t. I suggest you listen to Emperor - IX Equilibrium and Prometheus: The discipline of fire and demise. Emperor was Progressive black metal that will raise those little hairs on your neck. IX and Prometheus are their price albums. Enjoy! ------------- - It's all talk - |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 06:48
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Yeah but can they carry a tune? ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 19:57
Those two albums pale in compairison to their first two. The later are definately more progressive, but they seemed forced. Their early material truly had soul IMO. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 20:02
This is exactly my problem with some metal. If I were in it purely for getting my ass kicked by noise, I'd just sit around listening to Cannibal Corpse all day. |
Posted By: Dali Lama
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 18:57
Theres are many bands better than cannibal corpse that could do that for you better
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 19:31
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This album i think is the progmetal early heavy album.very famos in my country (greenland)
I think you should like it very much if you can here it. they play melotroms and some heavy gutitar. ------------- I see the future.Tomorrow is cancelled. Thorgeir Vifilsson |
Posted By: CrimsonKing
Date Posted: March 04 2005 at 22:58
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OPETH - ORCHID, MORNINGRISE, and MY ARMS, YOUR HEARSE. ------------- RED EYE |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: March 05 2005 at 18:00
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nothing beats mercyful fate - don't break the oath! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 07 2005 at 14:09
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But that is not Progressive at all, if Mercyful Fate was Progressive Metal, then I guess King Crimson would be called Pop Punk. There ARE SOME REALLY HEAVY PROGRESSIVE METAL ALBUMS but does it matter not? Progressive Metal is not supposed to show off how heavy-ass your music is. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 07 2005 at 14:51
| I don't know, if someone is looking for an album that is brutal and progressive at the same time, would he be better asking brutal metal fans for their most progressive album, or progressive fans for their most brutal album? |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 07 2005 at 15:06
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I totally agree there. A lot of Brutal Metal fans really like Opeth and for most Progressive fans, Opeth is way too heavy for them because of the growls, but I advise all Proggers to at least try to get into Opeth. |
Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:07
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DT - Octavarium ------------- [IMG]http://www.travelwithachallenge.com/Images/Travel_Article_Library/Sacred-Travel/Machu-Picchu-350.jpg"> [IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/panchopc1/machupicchu-1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:09
Train of Thought 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:16
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Pffftthh! That one is one of the most mellow DT albums. I would say that in prog-metal: DT - TOT, but since Meshuggah is added: Meshuggah - Chaosphere (one of the most brutal and loud albums ever made). ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:38
Then listen to "Sea Shanties" by High Tide. What is so remarkable about this album is it was made 1969(!!!), yet beats many later heavy bands hands down, with the electric guitar and electric violin battling all the time. Yet it is definitely a prog album. I advertised for this forgotten gem on a few other posts before, but it can't be said often enough. This album defined prog metal. And I would even say that people who usually don't like prog metal might like it. Sigh, and I just noted another error in the database: The first album of High Tide has no piano on it, and as to the programming ascribed to Simon House: What programming? He just goes mad on his violin! -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:41
Are you sure that it DEFINED prog metal? I mean, it predates all modern prog metal albums, that's a given. But I doubt that many current prog metal bands would list High Tide as their primary reference, or even know about the band. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Josmatrovic
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:51
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Cyinic - Focus and Tool - Aenema Both heavy and well done albums. ------------- I´ve been wallowing in my own chaotic and insecure dilusions |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:52
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Definition 3 is applicable here. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
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Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:55
Sounds like you mean they have the patent on prog metal. Edit: if you want to apply definition 3, it would imply that the did call their style Prog Metal back then. Edit2: BTW: I think that Dvorak's 3rd movement of his Symphony #9 is the first prog metal track. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:06
Not necessarily. It simply means the term did not make any sense before High Tide. -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:13
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Thanks to Jean for taking the word out of my mouth. As to Dvorak: I wouldn't call his 9th symphony "prog metal", but a lot of metal proggers could learn from "Le Sacre du Printemps" by Stravinsky. In fact I really wonder why no prog metal version of this exists (or does it?) ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:16
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I only meant most of the 3rd movement. Another prog metal candidate is Holst - Planets - Mars, of course. I don't know that Stravinsky piece, I'll see if I can find it somewhere to listen in. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:21
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Composer Arthur Honegger called "Le Sacre du Printemps" the "atom bomb of music".
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:30
Igor Fedorovich Stravinsky was one of the greatest composers of the 20th century. The son of a famous bass singer at the Imperial Opera, Stravinsky showed little inclination to pursue a musical career until, while a law student, he began to study composition with Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov. Stravinsky was catapulted into the musical limelight with the composition of three ballets for the Ballets Russes de Serge Diaghilev in Paris: Firebird (1910), Petrushka (1911), and The Rite of Spring (1913). The latter work caused a celebrated scandal at its first performance and remains one of the best-known and most influential pieces of 20th-century music.
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:34
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devin townsends band, strapping young lad are one of the most brutally heaviest bands i have heard. And now that meshuggah have been added i will add them to the list. "the first few minutes of I were the chuggy intro explodes into a wall of guitar, screaming, bass and drums is one of the heaviest things i have heard ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:38
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"Heavy As A Really Heavy Thing" Their latest album (Alien) is quite progressive, they added many of the Devin Townsend Band concepts to their style. Almost every song has some laid back parts now (as laid back as SYL can get, which is "a little bit"). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 17:16
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the heaviest is voivod's dimension hatross \m/
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Posted By: Rune3000
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 17:29
| MESHUGGAHs Destroy Erase Improve , which by the way is a brilliant album. |
Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:01
| Gorgoroth is so heavy you really can't pinpoint a certain note. Gorgoroth just sounds like screaming air blasting out of an amp. |
Posted By: Lyzarrd
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:02
I gotta say Opeth's Morningrise as being the heaviest I ever heard.
Now, their other stuff is right up there but Morningrise tends to have
that heavy edge that doesn't seem to be in the rest.....not to say that the others aren't heavy. 
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Posted By: hukt on fonikzz
Date Posted: July 01 2005 at 23:58
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dillinger.
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Posted By: Single Coil
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 01:35
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Symphony X: Divine Wings of Tragedy is pretty heavy. Also, their CD The Odyssey has some heavy metal traks (not the sone "The Odyssey" itself) ------------- If it's worth playing, it's worth playing loud! |
Posted By: justin
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 03:15
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i would say dt-traon of thought od opeth - deliverence ------------- im not insane, im not insane... im just smarter then you |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 04:04
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Deliverance and MAYH, maybe Crimson. ------------- 
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Posted By: riversdancing
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 06:08
Atheist is one of the best example for progressive brutal bands. All
their three albums are to re-released by Relapse at the fall of 2005. I
recommend them to everyone who has the ability to bear jazz/fusion and
death metal at the same time.  So the heaviest prog albums are: Atheist - Unquestionable Presence Lethargy - It's Hard To Write With A Little Hand Voivod - Phobos (it is not just heavy but the most difficult album I've ever heard) |
Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 07:23
| Pictures at an exhibition - Mekong Delta |
Posted By: Dreadful
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 07:30
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as far as Opeth goes you guys...I'd say My arms your hearse is their heaviest...that or Deliverance. My arms is the better album though, so I'll go with that one...April Ethereal and Karma...god damn excellent tracks. Heaviest prog metal album? I'd say Atheist - unquestionable presence, Atrocity - Hallucinations, Demilich - Nespithe is famn jazzy and brutal, Ved buens ende is some crazy progresssive black metal... ------------- "I'm proud that I've never had a drug problem or complained that success sucks and shot myself like Kurt Cobain." - Chuck Schuldiner (R.I.P) |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: July 02 2005 at 07:37
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War by Messhuggah from Rare Trax because I can't get anyone to stay in the same room with me when I play it and they can handle the others. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 05:40
I totally agree with Abbath, exactly what I was going to post! I never really thought of Dream Theater as being heavy...but Meshuggah is! And if you would like to hears something REALLY heavy, try Scarve, the french band with an amazing drummer! I don't think it would ever get into progarchives, but the drumming is superb! ------------- Currently listening to: - Andromeda - Pagan's Mind - Kamelot |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 06:05
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Strapping Young Lad - Heavy As A Really Heavy Thing. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 06:58
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Great news! |
Posted By: Priestess
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 09:38
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I'd say Nile's new album, undeniably heavy, and very prog for a death metal record ------------- Book 'em danno, Mammy one! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 09:44
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It's a shame that their previous vocalist quit the band ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Priestess
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 09:47
Agreed ------------- Book 'em danno, Mammy one! |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 11:07
yes- this one- sooo heavy |
Posted By: LDGuy
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 11:49
| Progressive death metal, an area not really covered by this site, is the area you really should check out - Meshugga, Cryptopsy, Death, Dying Fetus, Obiturary, Necrophagist, Morbid Angel, the list goes on. If you want to find something unique, you need to step away from this site and find some stuff for yourself - i suggest some directory sites of possible bands to look up, a file sharing/p2p program like KaZaA or WinMX and Amazon to buy your disks. |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 11:50
| How about Zero Hour's "The Tower's of Avarice." Awsome prog metal disc. Maybe Opeth is a bit more brutal, but I find Zero Hour to be much more progressive. Another good one is Spiral Architect's, "A Sceptic's Universe." Anyways, these are heavier than Dream Theater, and I feel much more progressive than Opeth. Of course this doesn't include Opeth's masterpiece, Damnation, but I do not consider this album metal at all. Peace. |
Posted By: silversaw
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 11:58
| I'm not really going to go into albums, but as far as bands go I'd agree with Dream Theater and Opeth. Also Ayreon is one for some heavy stuff as is some of Symphony X's material!!! I'm still trying to figure out why Meshuggah(sp) is on this site. I purchsed one of their discs in hopes of finding something prog I hadn't known before, but once again it comes down to straight metal with very few prog tendencies!!! We really should differentiate some of this bands better!!!! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:14
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Ahem ... Meshuggah is nowhere near Death Metal. But I agree that the more extreme forms of prog metal are a minority here ... but then again, they're a minority in real life, too. Maybe we need to invent a cool subgenre name like Zeuhl to get more respect. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:16
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What album did you buy? You should try to swap it with Nothing or Catch 33 on Ebay. Or listen to it some more, it might grow on you. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Wreath
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:19
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I will sign Opeth as a one of heaviest prog bands ever. Songs like:
"The Leper Affinity" or "Wreath" are totally headcrushers. But the
heaviest prog album I've ever heard is: Messhugah - Catch 33 Yes, this one is a real mindkiller. Eight string guitars and Jens's voice are like a driller inside your head. And those lirycs combining paradox philosophy with extreme stream of hate. |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:23
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I haven't heard Meshuggah or Cynic, but Opeth gets pretty brutal.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:27
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Extol - Blueprint. Brutal Christian Hardcore Metal. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Wreath
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 12:36
I would say that Meshuggah is not more brutal than Opeth, but if I can compare Opeth with Meshuggah, the second one is more heavier. For me Cynic is about Opeth's brutality but in a different style. BTW: Do you heard about Death? |
Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:38
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DREAM THEATER - TRAIN OF THOUGHT ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:42
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Is not the heaviest, listen to Wreath on Deliverance and yeeeks! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:48
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Everything by Opeth except for Damnation,Meshuggah and Cynic's Focus cd. -------------  |
Posted By: captain beyond
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:48
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Many awesomely heavy and progressive bands have been listed in this
discussion. There are probably a good dozen more that could be added.
Please indulge me while I add two: GORGUTS--Obscura. Yes, this was a death metal band, but they went off the deep end here. It's more complex and twisted than even Cryptopsy's best stuff. Even for a person who says that Meshuggah is not progressive, this would strike them as staggeringly progressive. Caveat: the vocals are in a death metal style but the musician ship is jaw-dropping. SPIRAL ARCHITECT--Sceptic's Universe. To my ears, more interesting compositionally and melodically than Dream Theatre with equivalent technical skills but more imaginative playing. I also find the vocals to have more personality than DT's. If I had to make any comparisons, I might say a much more technical, better recorded 'Awaken the Guardian' (Fates Warning). Recorded in Sweden 1999/2000, this is one of the top-5 prog-metal albums I've ever heard. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:49
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That's odd ... IMO Spiral Architect seriously lack emotions ... especially the vocals. It's a good album nonetheless. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: captain beyond
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:56
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Hi Mike, I think I wrote 'personality' rather than 'emotions.' I'm not sure that most prog-metal projects much 'emotion,' as it tends to be an instrumentalists medium with vocals that lean towards the performative/theatric. In comparing the SA and DT vocalists, I just find SA's to be more individual, more identifiable. One of the problems I've always had with DT (and I saw them open up for Maiden in 1992) is their vocals, which sound somewhat generic to me. Not lacking in emotion so much as lacking in personality. |
Posted By: Coya
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 17:17
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You've made a point captain beyond, "emotion" and "personality" are escential, but actually for any group in any music genre. If Dream Theater fullfills that, it's probably another topic, but in my opinion they certainly do (specially in I and W, Awake, Change of Seasons and Scenes from a Memory). Now, if we get to the Black/Death-Metal-Prog branch, they are going to be certainly the heaviest (or the "metalest", since I'd agree that actually Maiden is "heavy"), and IMO Arcturus, Opeth, Emperor (earlier and later work) and Cynic will do; and the first three have hell of "emotion" and "personality". (I don't include Cynic, because they play more death metal oriented prog, and I do find some death bands at least as good as them => Nile). |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 02:52
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Í see what you mean ... the problem with DT is that LaBrie doesn't participate in songwriting. I've always perceived DT as a band of exceptional musicians + a good vocalist. The fact that he leaves the stage during instrumental sections supports that feeling of "separation". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 02:55
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my arms, your hearse- opeth train of thought- dream theater aenima- tool any meshuggah album ------------- 
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Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 03:55
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This thread contain a lot of interesting bands, so I though I would do
a poll on the BEST heavy prog album. To limit the contenders, I'll only
include the ones that are features on progarchives. So far I've pulled
out these albums from this thread: Arcturus - The sham mirror Ark - Burn the sun ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7974" title="Meshuggah Destroy Erase Improve* album reviews, Mp3 and track listing - Cynic - Focus Devin Townsend - Terria Dream Theater - Train of Thought Meshuggah - Destroy erase improve Opeth - Blackwater Park Spiral architect - A Sceptic's Universe Tool - Lateralus Voivod - Dimension hatross Zero Hour - The Tower's of Avarice Any more suggestions, or want another album of a specific artist? I'm still pondering wether to include Dream Theater or not... I don't think it's really as heavy as the others.. what do you think? I'll make the poll later today! ------------- Currently listening to: - Andromeda - Pagan's Mind - Kamelot |
Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 04:32
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Hmm, I forgot: Pain of Salvation - Entropia ------------- Currently listening to: - Andromeda - Pagan's Mind - Kamelot |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 04:38
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Pain Of Salvation - One Hour By The Concrete Lake It's heavier than Entropia. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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