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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38192 |
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Thanks Jared and Lewian et al.
I really liked hearing both of those BJH live tracks. Of the two tracks, not only had I not heard the lives before yesterday, of the two I actually had only known the studio version of Medicine Man before. As for Renaissance's "Ashes Are Burning". Ashes Are Burning is one of my very favourite Renaissance tracks, and I love how much this live varies from the studio version. I commonly favour lives that had not been released on studio albums before, where the live differs considerably from the studio versions, and just generally where it is a unique performance. Both the studio and this live are each brilliant in their own ways, as well as in the ways they are the same/ overlap. That could be phrased better. As for the Gnidrolog, I love the studio version of I Could Never Ba a Soldier (A fave song of mine) and am checking out that live version now. Thanks. ![]() |
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"Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967).
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24736 |
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I could vote for about half of this selection. My picks:
Magma Tangerine Dream Henry Cow Yes Kansas |
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 3065 |
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Henry Cow's contribution is in fact a BBC Radio 1 session so not recorded in front of an audience as such. From the Concerts album then I would go with 'Ruins'.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38192 |
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^ Thanks, I had forgotten about that. I almost went with "Ruins".
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"Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967).
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18359 |
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Hello, Hahaha ... as if I knew anything about my approach ... it changes with music and words and poetry and paintings, and life ... every day! ![]()
They are two separate songs but in the LP they went back to back and I don't think there was a time when myself, or Guy for that matter, did not play the whole side because it was such a treat ... the two pieces are kinda connected in the LP. They probably would not be on a CD, where I have seen many things that really hurt the music!
Hi, At this time, we are way too much indoctrinated into a commercially sounding design and the list of songs, and lists of lists, are more about the numbers (sometimes) than they are about the music, and I'm glad that I have had a sock full of custard that I threw at the wall many times here, because the lists did not have enough artists and instead had the same folks several times, which suggest ... to me ... that folks were not listening to a lot of music at all! I'm very glad to see that this has helped the lists big time!!! My take is, that it is the artists' music that matters, and if it was not broken up, and should not be made to be a "song" ... like the record company did for CTTE and TAAB and many other long things ... it was disgusting to say the least and insulting ... like our generation could not be creative and original and compose excellent works ... but the record companies came up with the excuse that most radio stations would not play the whole thing ... that only happened after the Great American FM Radio Rape at the end of the 1970's when corporate bought all the independent FM stations so they would no longer play new stuff, or at least the different stuff the record companies wanted radio to support. And FM radio has been crap since then ... and some folks actually think that Radio Kaos awas a joke ... it wasn't ... and it was the kind of thing that led to FM radio to be taken off the air and replaced with "rock classics" ... the same twenty pieces on a rotation! And bands that the record companies had some financial interest in ... you won't hear Grateful Dead anymore in those stations ... but they were huge before that and a massive staple on many a station ... and folks still go to see what's left of the band in Las Vegas ... if that is not some endurance and the sign of great musical works, then we are not listening or give a damn about music! I kinda think that the record companies never grew out of the dislike for The GD giving away live music ... and yet, the band made much more money and appreciation than any record company out there ... maybe except ECM, I suppose! Or possibly Blue Note, both that survived regardless of what a record company thought and did! And made it and are remembered for it!
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I was about to vote for Ricochet when I have seen Ashes Are Burning
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38192 |
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^ You can vote for as many as you like (multiple choice). And I just noticed that I asked the wrong question for the poll, that should have been "pieces" not albums. I lost the topic when I first tried to post it and chose the wrong cached question.
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Trying to be too clever for your own good Greg... you need to try harder to appeal to PA's lowest common denominator... ie me!!
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38192 |
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"Trying" is the operative word. And Jared, I might fancifully say that you're the greatest common divisor. :D The greatest common factor in this is that I commonly make mistakes as it does get overly complicated and I do often lose my posts/ topics. I should simplify. And I wish I could think of some more creative topics that don't involve polls. Easy to get stuck in certain ruts. :) I think I need some more hobbies. |
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Renaissance "Ashes Are Burning" (Live at Carnegie Hall)
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What a great showcase for 70s prog this is - there are many albums here that I'd choose over every studio album of these bands.
I'll add votes for two things that I hadn't heard before and that are both very strong, that is the Area and Geinoh Yamashirogumi. I have two votes left and I'll be a bit nostalgic here, voting for two albums that at some point in my youth, maybe half a year each, were my favourite albums, namely Riocochet and Solar Music. I love the Kraan Live album, but for me you haven't picked the best track there, same Playing the Fool and BJH, whereas the Grobschnitt one is well selected, as are many others, Gong, Hawkwind, Camel in particular (not so obvious this one), how splendid!
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Gentle Giant
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38192 |
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I'm super glad you found music not that only were you keen on, but discovered new music to appreciate. Your post really put a smile on my face. Thank you. ![]() That Area is a very good album, and really happy you liked Osorezan live. I got to appreciate some music here, or appreciate music here more, that I did not know or at least did not know well as I had not heard it many years from the bottom ten (some of those were already 70s live favourite albums of mine). Vive le lives! |
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I missed that this was multiple choice. As I posted originally, ELP takes top spot. Next four:
Yes Kansas Camel Genesis Love the studio and live versions of the tracks from each of these bands. |
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Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny.
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I tend to think that the drum solo drags down the live version of KE9, also it's played in a lower key compared to the album as Greg Lake's vocals were already taking a hit due to excessive smoking despite the short amount of time. I would venture that the live versions of Hoedown, Toccata and Tarkus are better than the studio versions. Tarkus with that extended synth end section is one of the most glorious things they ever did. IMO
I also prefer other tracks off the live albums especially Yours Is No Disgrace from Yessongs. That gets really heavy compared to the studio version. Howe is incredible on that. Heart Of The Sunrise will always sound better with Bruford playing on it for me. Doesn't the version of Firth Of Fifth on Seconds Out miss out the piano intro? I would go for Cinema Show on that album if it was me. Collins and Thompson together take that piece to whole new level. On GG's Playing The fool I would go for Funny Ways. It goes all sorts of crazy! I like Excerpts from Octopus as well. So Sincere is fine though
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38192 |
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^ Those first three albums you mention I had not heard before, at least in full, and I can't say that I listened to them all as completely as perhaps I should. Only 14 or so were well known to me at any time and other than my top ten I had not listened to the albums (the others from PA's list) in full that I knew for many years. I had heard the GG, but not for almost 20 years.
I may not be the biggest fan of ELP, but I loved listening to that version of KE9. It's not a record I had heard before, but that is the one that most stood out to me. Tarkus would have been my other choice, but KE9 got my interest more-so. Were I to try both now for a second listen then I might well feel differently. Yessongs I was a bit slapdash with, and ended up just going with a Yes song that has been one of my very favourite Yes tracks. Fragile was a very important album to me in my youth and I adored Heart of the Sunrise except for the wonky bits. As for Genesis, yeah not the wonderful piano, which is a highlight of the studio album for me. Not sure why I went with that. I don't like that version much or the album much generally. Cinema Show is my favourite Genesis track outside of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (the Lamb is the only Genesis album I ever have really deeply cared about). After quickly going through the album again on youtube (scanning/ scrubbing), my choice is still the one that seems most listenable to me from that album despite preferring the studio version, and I like the energy it starts with with Collins vocals. I prefer Gabriel-era Genesis, and I prefer Genesis Live to this despite missing out on most of my favourite Genesis songs. Collins' era Genesis is often too slick for me, AORish, although I love music off A Trick of the Tail Wind and Wuthering. As for Gentle Giant, I came very close to going with Funny Ways but ended up finding this So Sincere version more interesting at the time. And "So Sincere" has been one of my very favrite songs by Gentle Giant (I like its quirkiness). Those Octupus excerpts have been another standout for me. The album does not connect with me now as much as it used to. Side-note (tangential): When I joined PA I was huge on GG, and I still love the first three albums especially, but very rarely have listened to GG in many years. PFM and Magma took over from My GG obsession back then, and of those Magma is the one that I still really big on. And I discovered VdGG at the same time as GG and used to say that I prefer my GG without the VD, but it's VdGG that I have kept returning to -- has had more staying power for me/ means more to me. But Three Friends and Acquiring the Taste are wondrous and I could very happily play those right now. :) |
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Hi, I've always thought that the comment was more a satire on the folks that listen to it, and at times, the attitude that jazz is superior music to the last macaroni and cheese! And played by people that (supposedly) know music way better than rock musicians, many of which (as the joke goes) know 3 chords and that's it, and the drummer can only do the same thing in three different time sequences ... but t never changes otherwise! But there are some things in the jazz area that are very tough to listen to ... the ones that are totally free form, and just an excuse to do anything ... and I tend to think of them as folks that don't know music, and don't need to know music, and all of a sudden it is hard to not think that music is about knowing 2 or 3 things, not going crazy or go all over with no rhyme or reason!
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15351 |
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Yeah, I don't just like these two, they are brutally good! (I wasn't aware of the Area live album even though I actually have seen Area (or rather Fariselli's recent Area Open Project) live, playing Arbeit Macht Frei and other things.
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Yes. The bassline grows more dynamic than ever, the vocals are breathtaking.
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