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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1078 |
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I forgot about ‘The final cut’ and I honestly don’t even consider it to be a real PF album , but you are right… it’s much worse. I probably should have said the Wall is ONE OF my least favorites, along with Endless River as well. My obsession with PF really ended after Animals. But I can tolerate ‘Momentary Lapse of reason’ somewhat. Just because I personally don’t like an album does not mean it’s necessarily a ‘Bad’ album. There are many many ‘great’ 4 and 5 star albums that I don’t like much. Edited by Valdez - Yesterday at 08:41 |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15316 |
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That reads like a very harsh interpretation, given that the PA description of *** is "Good but non-essential". I give *** to lots of albums I like (as they are "good"). I even give ** to albums that I may like in some respect, despite severe shortcomings. I interpret *** as "good" in a prog universe, meaning that this is already much better for me (as I like prog as a genre, as far as it is a genre) than most albums from genres I don't particularly like, i.e., I'd give a *** review to albums that I like quite a bit better than most random albums selected from all of music. My ** here are still mostly above average in a general ranking of all music. If I could only give **** and ***** to albums I really like, there wouldn't be much space for differentiation. I realise from this and other discussions that compared to the general standards here I may rate things too low, although I don't think I do, taking into account the descriptors (at least the *** one). Also, I really think it should be acknowledged that ratings are subjective, and if I give an album * or **, it doesn't mean that I say it's objectively and generally bad. It's just my view. No reason to be insulted or annoyed. I don't really get the apparent outrage if I give an album * or ** that somebody else likes. Tastes differ, no way around that (although I accept that there is inappropriate wording, either insulting, or presenting an opinion as more objective and general than it is). I find reviews that go with lower ratings often informative, so for some time at least I thought there's nothing wrong with that. I like some stuff more than others, and I even find some stuff cringeworthy, and it's just honest if I write that, with some explanation, in a review. Sadly there is the dominating impression (maybe correctly so) that lower ratings damage artists (not sure whether a low rating is worse than none though), so I feel somewhat bad about rating things low. On the other hand, I also feel that giving **** and ***** is worth more if many albums get ** or ***, and less, if I rate everything that I rate highly. Difficult! I'd like to live in a world in which I could honestly express my dislike of an album without damaging the artist or potentially insulting anyone, but this doesn't seem to be the world we're in.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12663 |
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^I was trying to make a point. Paul gets a lot of negative and sometimes hateful comments about his musical tastes. It is not bizarre what he likes, and PA forum members don't need to attack him because of it.
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What can I tell you, I've tried. He's way too indulgently noodly for my tastes. I recognize he's hugely talented and I love his stuff in other people's bands but solo he does nothing for me. In my defense I mainly use Gnosis for my own benefit to track my collection and only rate albums I like on PA. Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - Yesterday at 06:56 |
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20552 |
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Sorry, I'm not into either David Bowie or Kate Bush; never heard the Bowie at all, it's been years since I heard Kate's, likewise Wyatt's... will have to revisit some time.
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20552 |
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The problem I have with the rating system on PA is it's far too restrictive. I really don't give too many 5 star ratings either, as it would devalue the masterpieces that have them. Likewise, I try to be selective with 2 star ratings, for albums which falls significantly below the average (if I think something is a 2.5, I'm likely to round it up)... that means that over 75% of the albums I rate end up with a 3 or 4 star, which ultimately says very little. That said, I'm not sure that, 20 years on from its inception, I'd now want Max to change the format to offering half stars as I'd have a terrible job trying to revise my ratings!
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20552 |
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I haven't looked at your ratings, but you surely can't rate The Wall below The Final Cut? I can't imagine that's possible? Putting it below AMLOR would also be quite surprising, but that's another story...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Great OP, Greg! (As usual)
Many of you know that I consider a two star "D" grade album to be one that I think my brothers and I could do as well, maybe even improve upon. Any three star "C" grade album I consider to be weak for musicians calling themselves "professionals." Like Greg, most albums I give the time and consideration to compose a full review have had to earn their way into my interest zone. A four star album is, most likely, a collection of competent, polished, skilled compositions that have been rendered cleanly and professionally--with considerable musicianship/skills on display. At the same time, I give a lot of five star ratings because I believe a ten-star 100-point scale to be more appropriate for respectfully rating any album. My 9 star albums would deserve four and a half stars but here on PA that is not possible (though it is on M@x's other site, JazzMusicArchives.com). These are the albums you see me calling "minor masterpieces." The albums that are of such a high quality that they I believe they could stand up next to the most highly-extolled albums of the "classic era"; these would be deserving of 10 stars: full masterpiece honors. But, again, this is not possible here on PA. One and two star assignations, for me, translate to "I could do better than this."
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I love The Wall and the Pink Floyd albums that came before it. It's an album that I feel helped my through some tough times, especially when I would feel one of my turns coming on. It's post The Wall that I lose interest in Pink Floyd.
To pull a Paul, one might say that the answer is In the Mystery Edited by Logan - March 29 2025 at 12:24 |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15316 |
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Paul giving ** is usually a good recommendation.
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1078 |
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I did a few short reviews long ago that are still up. I should probably revisit and revise... My tastes change every ten years or so.
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You made my day
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Non mi svegliate ve ne prego
ma lasciate che io dorma questo sonno, c'è ancora tempo per il giorno quando gli occhi si imbevono di pianto, i miei occhi... di pianto. |
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1078 |
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I cannot argue with that. The WALL being my least favorite PF album still gets a 3.5 from me... Even a great bands worst album is usually a halfway decent album.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37998 |
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That sounds pretty fine to me. It's a range when it comes to those two, three, and four star ratings: a spectrum within the numbers. One star for me would not only be bad but also aggravating and/or abhorrent. The Shagg's Philopsophy of the World is bad by certain metrics but I love it and would score it higher. Can't wait to review it when it finally gets added to RIO/Avant Prog. ;) Looking through your list, your one star list looks sensible from my perspective. But 2 stars for VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other, ART ZOYD's Musique Pour L'Odyssée, AMON DÜÜL II's Phallus Dei (I cna understand people taking issue with that), PINK FLOYD"S The Wall, which is the same rating as ELP's In the Hot Seat, TRIUMVIRAT's Russian Roulette, CAMEL"s The Single Factor etc.? Houston, we have a problem! (lol) Your list A very wide range of quality in your two stars list from my perspective, many albums there I would rank higher, and ones I would rank lower, but to each their own of course, variety is the spice of life etc. And if the listing leave me scratching my head, maybe that's due to dry scalp, bad shampoo, fungus, lice or some other factor. |
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He's not a tough judge, he's a bizarre judge, just look at what he gives 5's
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1078 |
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No accounting for taste... Blackstar is a hard 5 LTiA is a hard 5 Kate Bush a 4 Tangerine dream a 4.5 Pawn Hearts a 4 (even though I can't stand Hammil's voice) I have not heard Rock Bottom, but i'm going to give it a listen today. Paul you are a tough Judge!
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I may be a little too liberal with my two-star ratings; albums I've given that rating to range anywhere from "I don't like this at all" to "this is slightly less than mediocre". One-star ratings I definitely try not to give out at all unless an album is actively offensive or aggravating for me to listen to (though looking back at some of my older ratings I can see I haven't always adhered to that principle either...)
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1078 |
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LULU... What a Stinker. Lou has so many good albums but aside from some of his well-known and bigger hits (and his work with V.U.) I'm not a huge fan. The whole New York seedy "Piss Factory" attitude turns me off a bit, but some love it. Lou wrote songs with Carol King when he was a young man (pre V.U.) Bargain bin records with fake bands like the Beechnuts. (Cycle Annie)
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^ You mean Will's? I had not thought they were being given lightly, or that the 80 or so 2 star ratings were given lightly, or the others. My thing is that I rarely would wish to listen attentively enough, and enough times over time, to want to rate or review significant numbers of one and two star albums. I have been told that I have rated too many albums five stars but then I like to rate favourites which I feel I know very well. The albums that get the most plays are albums I love.
By the way, I am not the reviewing type and what reviews I have written are poor -- I only have 15 reviews here. I started with only making ratings with reviews, then rated a bunch when the quick rating feature came out, and now I will only rate with reviews again. I too think that we should consider what Steve says, and that goes too for how we talk about albums in the forum too. At least hopefully we can express our views in a considerate, respectful manner, unless we find the artist despicable, or with despicable messages. Also, one should consider being considerate of others with different music opinions and that might affect how one talks about albums. I'm fine with people expressing that they do not enjoy something, but some people are much more free and easy with calling albums and artists bad than I would be comfortable with. But I digress. |
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