Your one and two star album ratings?
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Topic: Your one and two star album ratings?
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Your one and two star album ratings?
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 16:05
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I very hurriedly wrote this as waiting to go out. I find it interesting that some people will have a great many one and two star ratings posted at Prog Archives or otherwise, whereas I would very, very rarely listen through an album that I do not find good/ appreciate more than that. Maybe I'm not very discriminating, but the vast majority of albums I chose to listen to during my years at PA (not ones I listened to due to PA "work") were good to great for my tastes. I rarely buy without listening first, and I like to sample before buying. Even by the time I check music out I usually have reason to think that I will like it. And I would not wish to rate an album without having listened to the album multiple times. With many raters, I expect that it after just the one spin, with many others I suspect it is rated quite impulsively without having been given even one attentive listen all the way through. With some it may be based on a portion of the album, and some abusive types without listening to it all because the are trying to manipulate rankings. One evens sees vindictive ratings or ones where someone rates an album lower because they think others overrated it. I have not rated much in many years and if I were to rate now it would come with a review, but I chose to rate my favourite albums, and I especially would not wish to review albums that I don't really like. So what are some of your one and two star ratings, how much did you listen to those albums and why did you choose to listen through those if they do not seem to match your tastes at all? Especially interested in the more "controversial" ratings, like the ones where the general consensus of reviewers seems to be that it's a very good or excellent album and your rating is much lower. Also of interest is those ones you rate high that others rate low, but I think I did that topic before (maybe this one too, I did one for reviews before). ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
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Posted By: Rexorcist
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 17:11
| There's very little in the prog vein I give this. My current example, however, for the worst prog band ever, doesn't have a page of this website because they're relatively obscure: a brutal prog band called Hapopy. Two 0's and a 5/100. They haven't even had an album release in 11 years. I've mostly been tegging the classic bands here and current explorations, and right now I only have one 1-star: Lulu. ALl the other lower ratings are between 2 and 3 stars. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 17:14
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Some ** ratings with review are actually kind of positive, like Eternal Flashback and Only Human by Amon Düül II, or Art Zoyd's Pure Noise, or Stern Meissen's Freiheit Ist. These are albums hardly anyone listens to, and honestly, there are good reasons for it, but I feel if anything I'm doing them a service, listening to them and mentioning at least one positive aspect in a ** review. When it comes to listening often, my appreciation of some albums changes with time, but for many it doesn't. I think I listened to the Stern Meissen and Art Zoyd album twice each, but I don't feel unfair about that, I just don't think there is much potential to improve. I just feel I "get" some albums even if not rating them highly. Some others I don't like much at first listening but I already know that there's something that I may learn to appreciate more. These don't get ** quickly. I gave David Bowie's Low **, and I have tried a lot to get into that one. Same Tales From Topographic Oceans. Examples of * are Novalis - Bumerang and Eloy - Ra. I think I listened at least three times to each, as I have some emotional relation to these bands and want them to do well, but there's no hope.
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Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 18:39
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- 21. Peron - s/t - ELP - Love Beach - Thinking Plague - A Thinking Plague - Roger Waters - TDSOTM Redux - Yes - Tormato Honestly, I don’t understand people who give one star to anything... I think finding an album that terrible is much harder than finding a masterpiece (at least for me). The albums listed above are the ones I rated with two stars (and my lowest ratings). Maybe Tormato doesn’t really deserve **... But anyone who knows me knows that Yes annoys me quite a bit. The rest are albums I find mediocre (21. Peron) or completely boring (ATP). Also, the album C.O.D. Performance by Present (one of my favorite bands of all time) is hovering around two stars. ------------- Non mi svegliate ve ne prego ma lasciate che io dorma questo sonno, c'è ancora tempo per il giorno quando gli occhi si imbevono di pianto, i miei occhi... di pianto. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 19:02
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^ I likely would give Present's C.O.D. performance a two too. Surprised I did not rate more Present back in the day as that was one of my very favourite and most listened to bands especially in my earlier years at PA. Seems I only have eight ratings over the past 13 years, and all but one of those has reviews, but I did rate a lot at Prog Archives when the quick rating feature was implemented. I focused on many of my favourite albums then. This is my profile page https://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7680&listreviews=chrono&showall=true#reviews" rel="nofollow - CLICK I have noticed various raters who will rate whole discoveries the same. I gave Magma' debut a five stars back in, well, many years ago and I would still stand by the rating. If you look at say https://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=36807&listreviews=rate&showall=true#reviews" rel="nofollow - THIS user's ratings (CLICK) they rate full discographies the same. Listened to 32 Magma albums and thought they were all one star? Did that person's brother force him to listen? I also notice ratings that come out very quickly on release or before release with very high or low ratings, where I doubt one has taken the time to properly listen. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 19:08
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^ He rated seventy Zeuhl albums, all with one star 🤣. Well, we can't expect much from a user who gave one star to the ENTIRE discography of The Doors. I know tastes are tastes, but... ------------- Non mi svegliate ve ne prego ma lasciate che io dorma questo sonno, c'è ancora tempo per il giorno quando gli occhi si imbevono di pianto, i miei occhi... di pianto. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 19:13
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I don't rate anything 1 or 2 stars on PA but I do have a bunch of low ratings on Gnosis where I have my full collection uploaded. Not all prog by all means, I own, and I have listened to all the albums multiple times before giving up. 1 star (out of 15, equivalent PA 0.33 stars) Nickelback - Silver Side Up Staind - Break The Cycle 2 star (0.66 PA stars) Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction 3 star (1 PA stars) Allan Holdsworth - Metal Fatigue Kings Of Leon - Only By Night U2 - How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb 4 star (1.33 PA stars) David Gilmour - Rattle That Lock Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime Korn - Life Is Peachy ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 19:50
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Hi, You won't catch me rating anything below a 3 or a 4. I love everyone's music and their right to create it, and in this area, specially, rating it that low is like saying that the album is not worth it. It's a good thing that is not you and your album ... you wouldn't like it! It's been said that the "fans" deserve to know if the album is good or not, but within an objective design, why would my opinion be important, and we (in essence) not allowing a person to make their own idea of the whole thing ... why do they have to be "told", and not be able to define it for themselves? Oh I get it ... sales! Don't buy that G&R album ... and that is why it sold so many and they still play stuff from that album these days! In some ways, it diminishes the work we do here ... and it would be best to not say anything or review it, rather than trash it. I think there is only one album worth trashing it, but PA'rs haven't heard it anyway, so it won't matter! The Masked Marauders ... and if ever there was an album that deserved a bad rating, that one earned it, but then, it's what it was created for!!!!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 20:42
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There are various albums in PA that I would give low scores to if I could be arsed to rate them that I have listened to over the past 20 or so years such as ELP's In the Hot Seat, Genesis' ...Calling All Stations..., Yes' Open Your Eyes and Torman Maxt's The Problem of Pain: Part 1, and if Tom MacDonald & Adam Calhoun's album The Brave (2022) was ever added to PA (like on April Fool's Day), I would give it minus stars if I could. I get that sometimes one might listen all the way through an album out of morbid curiosity, or to see what the fuss is about, and I do like some albums and films that might be called of the so good they are bad variety (I love the Shagg's Philosophy of the World, and not sure how I would rate it). ^^^^ 70s Zeuhl albums all one, geez, I had not noticed. If that person had really listened, that would be some dedication. Every Post-Rock/Math Rock got one, but only 21 albums. At least he is more favourable to Progressive Electronic with a 1.08 rating for 74 albums and an better 1.37 for 93 Canterbury Scene albums. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: March 28 2025 at 20:47
Dreadful. I'd like to know what the guys on the forum think about bands like that—Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Papa Roach, etc.
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Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 02:30
I think I'm probably the only person on PA who actually likes that album!  But then, I'm also arguably Eloy's greatest fan on here...  FWIW, I've probably put a rating next to nearly 1000 albums on this site, of which only a small handful have been given a 1 star rating (something I hate doing). There is a common theme; I'd never give a 1 star rating to a new artist, it simply wouldn't be fair... my 1 star ratings tend to be albums from established bands who really ought to have known better.... here you go: Jethro Tull: Under Wraps Sky: Mozart Yes: Open Your Eyes Shaman: Immortal ELO: Balance Of Power Uriah Heep: Raging Silence then, there are a couple which I have absolutely no idea what the artist is trying to say... others might find it good, but to me, it's absolutely unlistenable: VDGG: Alt Vangelis: Invisible Connections ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 02:30
Generally, it's only godawful Death Metal albums that receive a one-star rating from me, but these are some of my two star album choices that are rated highly by many other PA members, although a two-star rating from me is often seen as a recommendation.  2016: David Bowie - Black Star - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k9zz5HH6wfeoWzK5VnHRd68UrIzKr3frI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k9zz5HH6wfeoWzK5VnHRd68UrIzKr3frI 1982: Kate Bush - The Dreaming - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbVVvc21x5VshNYvG3LGhSjaLQzZV-1DI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbVVvc21x5VshNYvG3LGhSjaLQzZV-1DI 1973: King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mBMqJoDxm1ZOcV88rz8OaHArNwtIKPDro" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mBMqJoDxm1ZOcV88rz8OaHArNwtIKPDro 1972: Tangerine Dream - Zeit - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTcPbNmo7mf3Zl3MLlOreONsZNNAEmqL8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTcPbNmo7mf3Zl3MLlOreONsZNNAEmqL8 1972: Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kOWdkl7AREpLB5vkYkhbv94GHycru9xHY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kOWdkl7AREpLB5vkYkhbv94GHycru9xHY 1974: Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k3KoR5NKhcTHsHH7W5sjsVrqDUbsAL0xg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k3KoR5NKhcTHsHH7W5sjsVrqDUbsAL0xg |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 02:32
I really think your PA membership should be rescinded... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 05:31
Giving 2 stars to The Dreaming should be at least 10 years inside, I reckon.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 05:38
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^ On the plus side, I gave the full five stars to Kate's Aerial & Hounds of Love albums, so I'm not completely barking mad. Woof! |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 06:01
 Let's remember PA'S ranking system shall we. 5 stars is a masterpiece, 3 is good, 2 is for fans only, and 1 poor. Some of my two stars... see my reviewer page for more if you wish. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom IQ - Dominion Squid - Cowards Steven Wilson - The Overview All Black Midi albums Frank Zappa - Thing-Fish As for some 1 star... Anderson/Stolt - Invention of Knowledge Neal Morse - Jesus Christ the Exorcist Dream Theater - The Astonishing |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 06:25
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^ At least we agree on Robert Wyatt and Frank Zappa's albums (I don't know about the others), but I'm astonished that you only gave one star to Anderson/Stolt and Dream Theater's albums, which are both four star albums for me - not that my opinion counts for anything though when I've given Kate Bush's highly-acclaimed Dreaming album a lowly two stars.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 06:53
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^Yeah that Wyatt album is pretty pretty bad. But as you know, I rate most Zappa records highly ... but I'd be dreaming if they were all masterpieces.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 08:05
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I find Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom both absurd and poignant. It's a very moving album to me and I find it all the more meaningful that it occurred after that serious accident Wyatt had when he fell out a window and broke his spine. I had heard and appreciated the album before I knew the story behind the album, but knowing the background does make it all the more poignant and moving for me. Similarly, Blackstar comes from a place of change and suffering, and like Rock Bottom, I also find it ultimately triumphant in its way as well as very poignant. That someone would put together such an album while dying I do find admirable, and it is deeply personal. That it became so respected by so many, I love. Like with Rock Bottom, I get an empathetic reaction too with it. To me it is not just the culmination of a career, but a life. I recall that Paul described it as depressing, well yeah, I find the circumstances behind it depressing, and subject matter (e.g. "I'm dying to, I'm dying too") but I also find it life-affirming in its way. Bowie and Wyatt have been two of my favourite artists for many albums through the years, but Rock Bottom and Blackstar mean the most to me. To hear such things reduced to "bad" saddens me. Of course people can and will like what they like, but I rarely like to call albums bad. Feels heartless to me considering the circumstances too, but then those albums evoke very strong emotional reactions from me that go much deeper than I like them. With Will's ratings https://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=69578&listreviews=rate&showall=true#reviews" rel="nofollow - CLICK , I love Swans' The Beggar, but I get that being a marmite album. What I would not have expected nearly so much is two stars for Miles Davis' In a Silent Way, but I respect that you took the time to review that album. To me it is wonderful album and the album that first got me to love Miles Davis. What I dislike and strongly disagree with in your review is this line, "This isn't essential to anyone's record collection." I have no idea how you would come to that conclusion. People enjoy different things, what's essential to me need not be essential to you. And I absolutely would have described that album as essential to my collection as much as anything could be described as essential. If I had to save just one Davis album, that would be it, for two add in Big Fun. I'm not nearly so keen on Kind of Blue, but I have no problem appreciating that other people really love it and would not tell them that this it is inessential to their collections. By the way, I came to this topic wondering especially how many times albums rated one and stars generally had been listened to. Like I said, I (at least usually) would not be comfortable rating an album without having spun it multiple times (and trying it over time ideally). I could have made that aspect clearer. As I put it in the OP, "So what are some of your one and two star ratings, how much did you listen to those albums and why did you choose to listen through those if they do not seem to match your tastes at all?" ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 08:27
The albums I have quoted above are mostly ones I had growing up and have been heard on quite a number of occasions... none had less than 6-8 listens and I tried to like them (because I'd spent my hard earned on them and didn't like to give up). I don't think my views will change. The Sky and VDGG albums, I still have in my collection and get the once in a while spin, because they are part of box sets.. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 08:45
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 08:52
I agree with Will here, in that he's writing from the dispassionate reviewer standpoint, conforming to PA's rating guidelines... an album could quite legitimately be considered as 'non essential' or even 'for fans only' etc.. this doesn't mean to say you have to agree with him? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 09:05
^ & ^^ Will think about that. I can be very slow on the uptake, especially these days. I knew where you got the non-essential part from and I find the ratings descriptions problematic. SO even if get the association and context, i take issue with the statement "This isn't essential to anyone's record collection" as I feel it would need verification. I am confident that it is essential to people's collections as it has been essential to mine. It an either true or false statement. And if I agree with him would hopefully be based on both logic and evidence.
Thanks, Jared. I have only listened to Open Your Eyes once in full, but would feel confident that another spin likely would not change my mind from its one star status I have in my mid for it now. I still would not wish to rate it without spinning it more, but also I do wish to spin it more. There is so much I love to listen to and music to discover that I will love. I do think some albums are much easier to rate "fairly" than others. The more familiar with the musical idiom/ expression one is, the more one knows of similar acts, and often the more one knows of a discography as I think it often makes sense to compare to other releases by an act, then I think the better for judging the merits of an album. There are genres of music and art generally that I have not explored much and so I have little to compare the quality of an album to when it comes to music of that ilk (I like comparing like-to-like and I like associating). I'm much more comfortable rating albums that not only do I like, and I am much more likely to properly listen to albums I like (attentive, multiple spins). A rating can just mean I liked it or did not like it and to what extent, but I do prefer the ones that I have more faith in as coming from a place of knowledge and experience, and from someone who seems to be able to "grok" that kind of music. I tend to think of those one star and two star albums for PA as ones that are not just not to one's, but poor of their ilk and of low quality for the category. In other words, ideally I would want to compare it to other ones in the category, other ones by the artist if applicable, and generally ones which are of similar style for the rating. I could say much the same of giving any rating. There are styles of music that I just would not want to rate due to my lack of familiarity and passion. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 09:24
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^^ I think that having only given half a dozen '1' star ratings out of around 800+ ratings would suggest they aren't given lightly. I remember chatting to Steve (Lazland) on this issue, that we should always bear in the back of our minds that a group of artists have no doubt pain-stakingly written and committed to record an album which might have been some time in the making for the wider public to digest and (hopefully) enjoy over the coming months and years. Often it will have taken a lot out of them emotionally, creatively, even physically and it therefore must be quite hurtful to read terrible reviews from people who wouldn't know which end of the guitar to hold... that's why there are only a few 1 stars, for established artists who you know were capable of producing far better and have proved it in the past, but for one reason or another, simply didn't. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 10:49
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^ You mean Will's? I had not thought they were being given lightly, or that the 80 or so 2 star ratings were given lightly, or the others. My thing is that I rarely would wish to listen attentively enough, and enough times over time, to want to rate or review significant numbers of one and two star albums. I have been told that I have rated too many albums five stars but then I like to rate favourites which I feel I know very well. The albums that get the most plays are albums I love. By the way, I am not the reviewing type and what reviews I have written are poor -- I only have 15 reviews here. I started with only making ratings with reviews, then rated a bunch when the quick rating feature came out, and now I will only rate with reviews again. I too think that we should consider what Steve says, and that goes too for how we talk about albums in the forum too. At least hopefully we can express our views in a considerate, respectful manner, unless we find the artist despicable, or with despicable messages. Also, one should consider being considerate of others with different music opinions and that might affect how one talks about albums. I'm fine with people expressing that they do not enjoy something, but some people are much more free and easy with calling albums and artists bad than I would be comfortable with. But I digress. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 11:05
LULU... What a Stinker. Lou has so many good albums but aside from some of his well-known and bigger hits (and his work with V.U.) I'm not a huge fan. The whole New York seedy "Piss Factory" attitude turns me off a bit, but some love it. Lou wrote songs with Carol King when he was a young man (pre V.U.) Bargain bin records with fake bands like the Beechnuts. (Cycle Annie) ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 11:07
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I may be a little too liberal with my two-star ratings; albums I've given that rating to range anywhere from "I don't like this at all" to "this is slightly less than mediocre". One-star ratings I definitely try not to give out at all unless an album is actively offensive or aggravating for me to listen to (though looking back at some of my older ratings I can see I haven't always adhered to that principle either...) ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 11:11
No accounting for taste... Blackstar is a hard 5 LTiA is a hard 5 Kate Bush a 4 Tangerine dream a 4.5 Pawn Hearts a 4 (even though I can't stand Hammil's voice) I have not heard Rock Bottom, but i'm going to give it a listen today. Paul you are a tough Judge!
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 11:23
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He's not a tough judge, he's a bizarre judge, just look at what he gives 5's ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 11:32
That sounds pretty fine to me. It's a range when it comes to those two, three, and four star ratings: a spectrum within the numbers. One star for me would not only be bad but also aggravating and/or abhorrent. The Shagg's Philopsophy of the World is bad by certain metrics but I love it and would score it higher. Can't wait to review it when it finally gets added to RIO/Avant Prog. ;) Looking through your list, your one star list looks sensible from my perspective. But 2 stars for VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other, ART ZOYD's Musique Pour L'Odyssée, AMON DÜÜL II's Phallus Dei (I cna understand people taking issue with that), PINK FLOYD"S The Wall, which is the same rating as ELP's In the Hot Seat, TRIUMVIRAT's Russian Roulette, CAMEL"s The Single Factor etc.? Houston, we have a problem! (lol) https://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=71215&listreviews=rate&showall=true#reviews" rel="nofollow - Your list A very wide range of quality in your two stars list from my perspective, many albums there I would rank higher, and ones I would rank lower, but to each their own of course, variety is the spice of life etc. And if the listing leave me scratching my head, maybe that's due to dry scalp, bad shampoo, fungus, lice or some other factor. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 11:32
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 12:12
I cannot argue with that. The WALL being my least favorite PF album still gets a 3.5 from me... Even a great bands worst album is usually a halfway decent album. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 12:12
You made my day ------------- Non mi svegliate ve ne prego ma lasciate che io dorma questo sonno, c'è ancora tempo per il giorno quando gli occhi si imbevono di pianto, i miei occhi... di pianto. |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 12:14
I did a few short reviews long ago that are still up. I should probably revisit and revise... My tastes change every ten years or so. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 12:16
Paul giving ** is usually a good recommendation.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 12:21
I love The Wall and the Pink Floyd albums that came before it. It's an album that I feel helped my through some tough times, especially when I would feel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWEpS5ixO8" rel="nofollow - one of my turns coming on. It's post The Wall that I lose interest in Pink Floyd.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 29 2025 at 21:13
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Great OP, Greg! (As usual) Many of you know that I consider a two star "D" grade album to be one that I think my brothers and I could do as well, maybe even improve upon. Any three star "C" grade album I consider to be weak for musicians calling themselves "professionals." Like Greg, most albums I give the time and consideration to compose a full review have had to earn their way into my interest zone. A four star album is, most likely, a collection of competent, polished, skilled compositions that have been rendered cleanly and professionally--with considerable musicianship/skills on display. At the same time, I give a lot of five star ratings because I believe a ten-star 100-point scale to be more appropriate for respectfully rating any album. My 9 star albums would deserve four and a half stars but here on PA that is not possible (though it is on M@x's other site, JazzMusicArchives.com). These are the albums you see me calling "minor masterpieces." The albums that are of such a high quality that they I believe they could stand up next to the most highly-extolled albums of the "classic era"; these would be deserving of 10 stars: full masterpiece honors. But, again, this is not possible here on PA. One and two star assignations, for me, translate to "I could do better than this."
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 03:37
I haven't looked at your ratings, but you surely can't rate The Wall below The Final Cut? I can't imagine that's possible? Putting it below AMLOR would also be quite surprising, but that's another story...
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 03:49
The problem I have with the rating system on PA is it's far too restrictive. I really don't give too many 5 star ratings either, as it would devalue the masterpieces that have them. Likewise, I try to be selective with 2 star ratings, for albums which falls significantly below the average (if I think something is a 2.5, I'm likely to round it up)... that means that over 75% of the albums I rate end up with a 3 or 4 star, which ultimately says very little. That said, I'm not sure that, 20 years on from its inception, I'd now want Max to change the format to offering half stars as I'd have a terrible job trying to revise my ratings! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 03:55
Sorry, I'm not into either David Bowie or Kate Bush; never heard the Bowie at all, it's been years since I heard Kate's, likewise Wyatt's... will have to revisit some time. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 06:56
What can I tell you, I've tried. He's way too indulgently noodly for my tastes. I recognize he's hugely talented and I love his stuff in other people's bands but solo he does nothing for me. In my defense I mainly use Gnosis for my own benefit to track my collection and only rate albums I like on PA. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 07:50
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^I was trying to make a point. Paul gets a lot of negative and sometimes hateful comments about his musical tastes. It is not bizarre what he likes, and PA forum members don't need to attack him because of it. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 08:01
That reads like a very harsh interpretation, given that the PA description of *** is "Good but non-essential". I give *** to lots of albums I like (as they are "good"). I even give ** to albums that I may like in some respect, despite severe shortcomings. I interpret *** as "good" in a prog universe, meaning that this is already much better for me (as I like prog as a genre, as far as it is a genre) than most albums from genres I don't particularly like, i.e., I'd give a *** review to albums that I like quite a bit better than most random albums selected from all of music. My ** here are still mostly above average in a general ranking of all music. If I could only give **** and ***** to albums I really like, there wouldn't be much space for differentiation. I realise from this and other discussions that compared to the general standards here I may rate things too low, although I don't think I do, taking into account the descriptors (at least the *** one). Also, I really think it should be acknowledged that ratings are subjective, and if I give an album * or **, it doesn't mean that I say it's objectively and generally bad. It's just my view. No reason to be insulted or annoyed. I don't really get the apparent outrage if I give an album * or ** that somebody else likes. Tastes differ, no way around that (although I accept that there is inappropriate wording, either insulting, or presenting an opinion as more objective and general than it is). I find reviews that go with lower ratings often informative, so for some time at least I thought there's nothing wrong with that. I like some stuff more than others, and I even find some stuff cringeworthy, and it's just honest if I write that, with some explanation, in a review. Sadly there is the dominating impression (maybe correctly so) that lower ratings damage artists (not sure whether a low rating is worse than none though), so I feel somewhat bad about rating things low. On the other hand, I also feel that giving **** and ***** is worth more if many albums get ** or ***, and less, if I rate everything that I rate highly. Difficult! I'd like to live in a world in which I could honestly express my dislike of an album without damaging the artist or potentially insulting anyone, but this doesn't seem to be the world we're in.
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 08:15
I forgot about ‘The final cut’ and I honestly don’t even consider it to be a real PF album , but you are right… it’s much worse. I probably should have said the Wall is ONE OF my least favorites, along with Endless River as well. My obsession with PF really ended after Animals. But I can tolerate ‘Momentary Lapse of reason’ somewhat. Just because I personally don’t like an album does not mean it’s necessarily a ‘Bad’ album. There are many many ‘great’ 4 and 5 star albums that I don’t like much. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 08:43
I won't speak for Paul but my impression was he always treated it as a badge of honor. People have been sl*g.ing off my music taste for over 40 years and I just treat it as people with different tastes. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 09:21
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^ Paul has not seemed reluctant or shy about proclaiming what he likes and doesn't like, what he thinks good and bad, be it in music or politics (before), no matter how much it goes against the grain with most. I'm fine with people liking what they like as long as it does not seem to be harmful to others or themselves. I accept that people have different tastes. And I like to have discussions with people where we have different tastes to try to figure what we like and/or don't like about the music. To dig down on that. I also am wont to try to engage in discussion and argument/ debate when someone makes claims with which I take issue. This is a discussion forum and it is to be expected, seeking justification is expected. I have had my tastes called bizarre at this forum (i.e. very unusual, far from the norm) especially for my tastes when I was most into very experimental and dissonant music. My ears had become trained to it, and I have returned to some of that music in recent years and while it sounded normal to my ears then, it sounds bizarre to me now. I have had what I like called bad, or just noise, and in various cases I have tried to engage with those people in good faith to actually have a fruitful discussion one what constitutes noise, defines bad etc. but said people were commonly glib and not willing to try to explain their claims. Insults are easy, sarcasm is easy, actually trying to justify claims that one presents can be much harder. I wish I was better at explaining my thinking. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 10:22
I have to say 'hateful' and 'attacking' are fairly strong words and I haven't seen much evidence of that to be honest. Paul does a lot of good things for this site and keeps the forums going with no end of polls and other material, and we have much to thank him for. That said, Paul knows that I have long taken issue with his ratings, simply because they are often based on a single spin of an album, whilst he's simultaneously sat reading something heavy going. He has admitted that he's got as far as track three of an album, taken it off and given it one star because he thinks its awful. I simply can't commit to a rating until I've heard something at least 4 or 5 times through; the artist deserves that at least? If I find it really outside my wheelhouse, then I might not rate it at all? Paul seems to spread himself too thin, wanting to listen to as many albums as possible before he dies rather than get to know fewer albums more intimately, then struggles to give much justification for his unorthodox ratings when asked. His early VDGG ratings are a prime case in point here... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 11:48
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I have only just caught up with this interesting discussion, and well remember that great discussion with Jared at The Acapela (we must do it again some time). I made a conscious decision when I started my website not to give star ratings or other forms of numerical "bonus points". I find them far too restrictive, certainly only five stars without the halfway house of a half star. Further, they can cause a huge amount of upset with some artists (WHY is that album rated higher than mine?), and at the end of the day, opinions on music are entirely subjective, and there are several people here whose opinion can be, shall we say, interesting. I too like Paul's contributions to this site, but Blackstar only two stars? I'm sorry, but that, to me, is a shocking rating. You do not need to be a Bowie fan (I am not particularly, certainly only a portion of his output) to understand what a deeply personal and important album that was, the circumstances under which it was made staggering. The most important thing, as both Jared & Logan have said, is to respect the artist, and, to more the most important consideration, to UNDERSTAND what, why, how, and the process of an album, because it will have a meaning to the artist(s) who produced it. You might not get it. It doesn't mean it is not without merit or artistic value. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 14:19
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^And how does a reviewer know the what, why, how, and meaning of a release by any artist? Most artists, I assume, make records because of the joy of music. They do it for themselves, as they should, and not how it will be received. Rush and Zappa are two artists that come to mind that did what they wanted, not what others suggested. Zappa's last albums he made when he was dying weren't masterpieces. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 15:22
By thinking about the release. By considering what songs, lyrics, concepts mean. Most importantly, how that meaning impacts the reviewer/listener. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 15:43
| ^Sure, but all that is subjective. Music is abstract and emotional. Does instrumental music need to be meaningful? |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 17:23
I highly doubt if a piece of instrumental music has NOT touched someone, somewhere, emotionally and is therefore meaningful to them. The Star system only tells us what one single listener thought of a piece of music. There are many albums that are technically almost perfect, highly skilled musicians, spot on composition, vocal prowess, professional mixing and mastering ... That leave me cold. Music needs soul & spirit. Probably why I like Jumble Hole Clough better than Neil Morse ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 18:42
Quite right too! ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 30 2025 at 21:58
Harrumph… Quite Right! ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 01:21
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^ Neil Morse ... that's the one who played with Mark Portnoy, right? Or am I confusing things now ... might have been Steve Wilson. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 01:24
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Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 01:32
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 07:36
You may be thinking of Neil Diamond! lol. my dyslexia axing up again! ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 09:20
Hi, A review is not about any of us "having to tell you or others" what the album is about. A review is "an opinion" and it should stay there and nowhere else. My main issue with some reviewers, is when the line is crossed, and then it becomes an attack on the musicians, or artists ... look, I can handle if you don't like the statue of Venus de Milo, or David ... for whatever religious reasons including sexual ... but you, or anyone else, have no right to judge it as horrible works of the human spirit.They still stand up as snap shots of a very different time and place, and most reviewers do NOT even try to frequent that area, for fear of being wrong, or out of sorts. Thus, many reviews, are just a bunch of subjective comments, that ... c'mon ... you call that a review? Honestly, if the person does a review, simply to give the album a bad rating, I think that review should be removed, and the reviewer given an Admin comment or two ... not that it will help, but I'm not sure that PA is here to stand up to anarchic comments about anything. AND reviews, including the ratings, is not a place for those comments to show up at all ... because those would not be proper. Here, though, is a very tough one on a musician that has done a whole bunch of music and based it on a book that has suffered horrible translations for nearly 1900 years or more ... and while I'm not going to say that the music, or the work itself is bad, I'm not going to review it, because it feels like another attempt at suggesting that one man was right in history and the rest of all of us, were not, and never will be! That thought is very scary for me, and implies the same type of "control" that many religions seek in order to get more from their "flock". You could say that I'm tired of childish stories about history, and it may have started somewhere around the Greek days and nights, when all stories were changed to be something stupid ... and we go to school to believe the crap even more ... it's insane folks. And what we want is the same on reviews and ratings? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 09:30
Hi, There is a problem here, sort of ... some albums, are very obviously right out front about something ... you have no doubt what "Demons Out" is all about, and goes on for 20 minutes! And you should not have any doubts about ITCOTKC at all, as an iconic and really well done snap shot of the time and place, complete with a "moonshine", as a hippie girl that is going to get taken and killed figuratively. Or even talking to the wind, and no one listening or giving a damn about the words ... one of the worst things on PA sometimes. We kinda love Ian, but it's like its stops there and everyone else is crap. Or the brainwashing with a religious bent, I would imagine, though I can not even come close to listening to those things, and the lack of realization that it is all based on a book that is the worst translation of anything ever done. But it makes people believe in the child story and fantasy of it all ... perfect for controlling the masses for quite a few centuries! You may dislike Neil Young, but Ohio and a lot of his work, is not empty, or as I like to call it ... "mac & cheese" ... it is serious stuff and he sings with such strength and honesty that a lot of hard core rockers hate, because it makes their favorites sound bad ... really bad ... for trying that make believe stuff on you again ... makes me ask ... did we ever grow up beyond the childish stories! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 10:14
I love a lot of Neil Youngs work. Especially "On The Beach" and "Zuma". Call her Moonshine drinking hooch that damages her liver Call her moonshine Got a still set up down by the river. Playing hide and seek, with the state police Banging Billy bob up on the mountain... ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 15:08
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I've limited this to bands/artists I'm actually a fan of: Albums I've given 2 stars: Asia - Aqua Tony Banks - Still Barclay James Harvest - Time Honoured Ghosts, Octoberon, Face to Face ELP - Love Beach FM - Transformation Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte, Blues with a Feeling Allan Holdsworth - I.O.U. Led Zeppelin - debut, Coda Marillion - Fugazi Moody Blues - Octave, The Other Side of Life, Sur La Mer Pink Floyd - Obscured by Clouds Saga - Generation 13 Styx - Crystal Ball, Cornerstone, Kilroy was Here Vangelis - Direct, El Greco John Wetton - Arkangel Yes - Union Albums I've given 1 star: ELP - In the Hot Seat
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 15:52
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Not very much, but ... GTR Camel - The Single Factor Vangelis - See You Later Renaissance - Camera Camera The reason why I rated so low these albums from some of my favorite bands is that I don't want newbies to think that their music is like that. The last Shub-Niggurath deserves less than one star, IMO. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 31 2025 at 18:23
Vangelis See You Later is one of my favorites. a weird and interesting album... I probably would have given it at least a 4 star. Love that album, not a bit, all of it. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 01 2025 at 00:12
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: April 01 2025 at 10:07
These are examples of albums I liked at first, but just didn't stand the test of time with me. I will say that there are some decent moments on all three, but also that my BJH collection is a lot smaller than it used to be. I will also mention that I've never rated the Victims of Circumstance album, because I was thankfully warned away from that one before actually buying it.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 01 2025 at 14:31
I have a very rough rule of thumb when it comes to BJH.. you may agree, you may not... No Wooly, No BJH... without his mellotron, the sound became very thin and without his influence, the prog was lost and they became too poppy. So, the last album of theirs I own is XII. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 02 2025 at 03:57
Yeah absolutely. If there is a Vangelis 2 star album it was that soundtrack for the Oliver Stone film Alexander or the very early experimental albums when he lived in France.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 02 2025 at 04:45
^ Only three 2-star Vangelis albums below, whereas the Alexander soundtrack is a 5-star masterpiece for me. That's the only reason I bought the DVD movie.   1970: Vangelis - Sex Power (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsAfOXXOBIe43VM6wjJaUq9" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsAfOXXOBIe43VM6wjJaUq9 1972: Vangelis - Fais Que Ton Reve Sot Plus Lang Que La Nuit - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvM65riv3cSklLozwF98q9B" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvM65riv3cSklLozwF98q9B  1973: Vangelis - Earth - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvOzByY95dO7rxQdtLx7eAR" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvOzByY95dO7rxQdtLx7eAR 1973: Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsDSG9vZVaxnYUenfX1VybR" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsDSG9vZVaxnYUenfX1VybR 1975: Vangelis - Ignacio (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvH6u3jSD2TBvTuqjWCvICG" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvH6u3jSD2TBvTuqjWCvICG 1975: Vangelis - Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvX8giR4W5NZxZa1iIO9Dh0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvX8giR4W5NZxZa1iIO9Dh0 1976: Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kM4VpG8PyHa4qL0O1_A6cwposk2DY7Sns" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kM4VpG8PyHa4qL0O1_A6cwposk2DY7Sns 1976: Vangelis - La Fete Sauvage (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lue3CBD9P_z51SBD4m0I8G1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lue3CBD9P_z51SBD4m0I8G1 1977: Vangelis - Spiral - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lscjja8ITDZCTt1OoMHVCWZ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lscjja8ITDZCTt1OoMHVCWZ 1978: Vangelis - Beaubourg - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRwBe_okiYwjldhJgaiVHd" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRwBe_okiYwjldhJgaiVHd 1978: Vangelis - The Dragon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuBzmQV6t6xmmC5TQEjmA-N" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuBzmQV6t6xmmC5TQEjmA-N 1978: Vangelis - Hypothesis - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuxeFgoVPqb4WovY-FyAus0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuxeFgoVPqb4WovY-FyAus0 1979: Vangelis - China - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtOlmMrweTFXY83aoK0t5Cf" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtOlmMrweTFXY83aoK0t5Cf 1979: Vangels & Irene Papas - Odes - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtZGrEgv8wIdQqvBo74QqW2" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtZGrEgv8wIdQqvBo74QqW2 1979: Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtMKYn-VowMSeB2Bwzb0Mf3" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtMKYn-VowMSeB2Bwzb0Mf3 1980: Vangelis - See You Later - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtRFqfIkSF_xiyjoC_3SkZw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtRFqfIkSF_xiyjoC_3SkZw  1981: Vangelis - Chariots of Fire (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsjS0L1K0ZG6sOkFp6PSGOh" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsjS0L1K0ZG6sOkFp6PSGOh 1983: Vangelis - Antarctica (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvJ40Hgh2LDAQq3VXE8NFA4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvJ40Hgh2LDAQq3VXE8NFA4 1984: Vangelis - Soil Festivities - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtJ2o9G9p6syNH2niHl7e1o" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtJ2o9G9p6syNH2niHl7e1o 1985: Vangelis - Mask - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu3C7fzaVeUP5klZnJ-FmWO" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu3C7fzaVeUP5klZnJ-FmWO 1985: Vangelis - Invisible Connections - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuVsO01TfQuxjrRwETu9i3X" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuVsO01TfQuxjrRwETu9i3X 1986: Vangelis & Irene Papas - Rapsodies - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuXW5zSOIja28Ew_so8i8Yk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuXW5zSOIja28Ew_so8i8Yk 1988: Vangelis - Direct - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuFKTL6b3fnQ1YqFePC1Fa1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuFKTL6b3fnQ1YqFePC1Fa1 1989: Vangelis - Themes - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvZW7c54RSD12QMwalJjA8b" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvZW7c54RSD12QMwalJjA8b 1990: Vangelis - The City - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvgvHlWMKVpnJQEFa3vqvoA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvgvHlWMKVpnJQEFa3vqvoA 1992: Vangelis - 1492: Conquest of Paradise (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt0SV_QdtY9lGAQk-S0U-Jv" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt0SV_QdtY9lGAQk-S0U-Jv 1994: Vangelis - Blade Runner (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtQhpcQMdGQDWqy9DQGc9NH" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtQhpcQMdGQDWqy9DQGc9NH 1995: Vangelis - Voices - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsGCnp6pGNgs15FgG5jHTby" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsGCnp6pGNgs15FgG5jHTby 1996: Vangelis - Oceanic - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvTgtl12NuJTznSF1_ogxT7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvTgtl12NuJTznSF1_ogxT7 1998: Vangelis - El Greco - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt57VhNUuJtsGkarEKlLooX" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt57VhNUuJtsGkarEKlLooX 2001: Vangelis - Mythodea - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu2CuTK6uTZjbv_tMztNiMm" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu2CuTK6uTZjbv_tMztNiMm 2004: Vangelis - Alexander (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvSVZ5NoR9K6OUXjZ9WN8WX" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvSVZ5NoR9K6OUXjZ9WN8WX 2007: Vangelis - El Greco (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtANfnU8_VNruOZgBZ69G4F" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtANfnU8_VNruOZgBZ69G4F 2015: Vangelis - Amore (soundtrack: recorded in 1973) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtZ2YsnW0mlAonlDkwdCIvC" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtZ2YsnW0mlAonlDkwdCIvC 2016: Vangelis - Rosetta - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsCBcxwkPZx3e4ZLCrjdLRO" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsCBcxwkPZx3e4ZLCrjdLRO 2019: Vangelis - Nocturne: The Piano Album - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRw0Exq3REueHzZcFD5CJ9" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRw0Exq3REueHzZcFD5CJ9 2020: Vangelis - Juno to Jupiter - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvDJEVl17L75jbyhwSeWGk7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvDJEVl17L75jbyhwSeWGk7 |