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That was all based on either intertia or the ability of the bands to change and adapt at least a little. 1977 was still a good year for prog as the bands were still massive and selling out arenas, yep I know that. I mean these bands still sold loads in the 1980's making some real crap. I'm not sure what your point is? By 1980 it seemed everyone who was anyone was being interviewed in music magazines and were busy apoligising for the 'bad' albums they made with those long self indulgent suites and silly lyrics. That was the problem, the great prog revisionism had begun in 1977 and by the 1980's was stinking up the place to high heaven. I suppose with ELP and many bands it's only the legacy that really matters. Protect that at all cost or pay the price. I'm guessing that ELP sold a lot less later on. ELPowell barely cracked the top 40 in the UK but it was way better than Love Beach (not that that was hard to do) 
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You also forget how so-called punks still loved prog.  For instance, Danny Baker, founder of 'Sniffin' Glue' remains a huge ELP fan.  One point he makes lost in all the noise about ELP albums is their greatness as a live band with Emerson constantly improvising.  Particularly impressive are the trio performances of Pirates after the band were forced to ditch the orchestra on the Works tour. Keep telling me Emerson was just a prog-rock keyboard player...

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Emerson had force of personality though. That made him a bit different until Rick Wakeman came long then there was that 'fake' rivalry to keep things bubbling along. Remerber Wakeman saying 'Keith Who?' when he was asked his opinion? LMAO!!
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like Fuxi said Tarkus, BSS, and Trilogy are all great but their debut is worth a listen too
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

That was all based on either intertia or the ability of the bands to change and adapt at least a little. 1977 was still a good year for prog as the bands were still massive and selling out arenas, yep I know that. I mean these bands still sold loads in the 1980's making some real crap. I'm not sure what your point is? By 1980 it seemed everyone who was anyone was being interviewed in music magazines and were busy apoligising for the 'bad' albums they made with those long self indulgent suites and silly lyrics. That was the problem, the great prog revisionism had begun in 1977 and by the 1980's was stinking up the place to high heaven. I suppose with ELP and many bands it's only the legacy that really matters. Protect that at all cost or pay the price. I'm guessing that ELP sold a lot less later on. ELPowell barely cracked the top 40 in the UK but it was way better than Love Beach (not that that was hard to do) 
At the end of the seventies/beginning of the eighties, the most famous 70s prog bands indeed started losing their muse. Regrettably, Keith Emerson's case is probably most illustrative because at one point in his career he thought he was not only a prominent prog-rock keyboardist and flamboyant showman but also an artistic genius akin to Rachmaninoff and hence experienced an artistic failure in 1977 with the megalomaniac album "Works Vol. 1"—that ridiculously serious title itself hinted at megalomania, and while it aimed for greatness, it ultimately fell short—and the summer of punk certainly has nothing to do with that. However, in the 80s there was a progressive rock revival with a movement of new bands that grew into a genre we call neo-prog and continues as such to this day. And those bands released albums that deservedly ranked higher than "Works Vol. 1" on the PA chart.
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^ Neo prog I agree (although only Marillion's albums from that decade are placed high so it's a moot point) but if ELP had done Works a few years earlier it would not have been received the same backlash that happened in 1977. That and the collapse of the Works orchestral tour and the joke album Love Beach killed them, all happening when the music landscape was changing dramatically. They indeed looked out of place, out of touch and desperately short of ideas. Anyway whatever. ELP had their day, I just wished they hadn't tarnished their legacy and reputations the way they did. Works was just the natural end of things. What came after was entirely pointless and did way more damage imo.

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Originally posted by Lobster77 Lobster77 wrote:

like Fuxi said Tarkus, BSS, and Trilogy are all great but their debut is worth a listen too

The debut is my personal favorite. I find it to be the most consistent plus no silly cowboy songs.
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ELP never get any credit for being eclectic. Other bands can do 'silly songs' (ie Caravan with Golf Girl, Genesis with More Fool Me, Gentle Giant with Dog's Life) and seemingly get away with it. Oh well.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ELP never get any credit for being eclectic. Other bands can do 'silly songs' (ie Caravan with Golf Girl, Genesis with More Fool Me, Gentle Giant with Dog's Life) and seemingly get away with it. Oh well.

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My guess is that Keith's words and comments about serious music, and attempts at being classical, were trashed by a lot of rock critics, that enjoyed the musicianship, but hated the "ditties". And it became fair game, and Keith should have told them all to ... as Frank Zappa did right from the start ... he never had to apologize for his music ... and folks, and reviewers stopped harassing him on it. But, then, it wasn't until "Overnight Sensation" that the rock folks immediately jumped in and started saying what a genius Frank was. So Frank flipped them all off again ... and sold out many places non-stop for several years to his end.

You have to stand up for your music, and not doubt it ... and I think that ELP felt they had to excuse themselves for doing this or that ... and they should have told many of those ... farts ... where to go stuff it! They did not need those goons, not to mention that none of them ever bought an album, either!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ELP never get any credit for being eclectic. Other bands can do 'silly songs' (ie Caravan with Golf Girl, Genesis with More Fool Me, Gentle Giant with Dog's Life) and seemingly get away with it. Oh well.


You don't see me complaining about "Benny the Bouncer," do you?

"Hoedown" is one of my favorite ELP compositions, too. Anyone who doesn't like it is off their axis.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ELP never get any credit for being eclectic. Other bands can do 'silly songs' (ie Caravan with Golf Girl, Genesis with More Fool Me, Gentle Giant with Dog's Life) and seemingly get away with it. Oh well.
I mean not necessarily disagreeing with you but... based on reviews from this site I think most people don't let Genesis "get away" with that one. 
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Humor used to be part of prog.   Not so much anymore.
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