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    Posted: 56 minutes ago at 19:38
^ There are two digital versions though - the current one on Bandcamp, which is identical to the Azafrán Media CD - including the cover - and the self-released version that had the different line-up on track 8 plus the different cover. I think we need to show on the page that there are (or at least were) these two different digital releases. I can only find this album digitally on Bandcamp at the moment - nowhere else.

Maybe we could say something like this:

CD Azafrán Media - AP 2451 (July 9, 2024, Mexico)
Digital album via Bandcamp, July 9, 2024 - initially with a different cover, and seemingly containing a different version of track 8 played by different line-up

And yes, you're right...Nobody compares to Antony Kalugin! LOL

Edit: I've added the word 'seemingly' in that line about the digital album, because we don't know for sure that there definitely have been two distinct versions of track 8 featuring different musicians, or whether there was simply an error to begin with in what was printed on the original self-release artwork.


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^^ David, I've corrected the following:
- Tatsuya Yoshida / drums (8);
- fixed misspelling (version);
- mentioned different cover of digital version.

The rest, it seems, is a mystery. 
And I believe nobody compares to Antony Kalugin. Smile
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I'll see if I can find out what the Hell he is trying to achieve by doing this. It's even worse than some of Antony Kalugin's shenanigans in some respects. LOL

Edit: I've found his Facebook page, but there's no talk on there of re-recording track 8 with these different musicians, and the old grey self-released version Bandcamp CD inlay image indicates that the bassist for track 8 was Emanuele Sterbini (Sterbus) - the same bass player as on track 1 - rather than Hey Figueroa, as Discogs suggests. It's impossible to be sure about anything, to be honest.


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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^^ I think 2 separate entries of "99% the same musically" albums would lead to even worse confusion. 

At the moment I updated the album almost as you suggested.
You're right, with the list of bands the line-up info would be too long. As well as the explanation of track 8 versions' differences. I only mentioned that it's different on CD and digital album.
And, finally, I've changed the title to W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With A Little Hell From MORE Friends).
It's a right can of worms lol!

The line up for that release needs the different drummer for track 8 adding in. I accidentally left him off at the end of the list when I posted my corrected line-up, sorry Embarrassed:

- Tatsuya Yoshida / drums (8)

Minor typo in the last line: Digital album (July 9, 2024, contains different wersion of track 8 played by different line-up).

I'd definitely mention the different cover as well. That's the very first thing that people are going to see that's different between the two versions.

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Line-up for the self-released version ('With a Little Hell from MORE friends', grey cover):

- Hey Figueroa / bass (4,6-8)
- Gerardo Ramlop / xylophone (3,5,7)
- Paolo Botta / keyboards, effects (2,6)
- Samo Salamon / all guitar solos (5), guitar solo (8)
- Armando Lagarda / rhythm guitar (1,8)
- Antonio Garcidueñas / drums (1,8)
- Patrick Gauthier / piano solo (3), keyboards (7)
- Miguel Saenger C. / drums (3,7)
- Bernard Falaise / electric guitars (6), guitar solo (7), 2nd guitar solo (8)
- Vincent Sicot-Vantalon / keyboards, effects (1)
- Emanuele Sterbini / bass (1)
- Shawn Persinger / electric guitar (1), 2nd & 3rd guitar solos (2), 1st guitar solo (3)
- Marc Ducret / guitar solo (1), 2nd guitar solo (3), midsection electric guitars (4)
- Ben Spees / electric guitar (2)
- Oliver Campbell / bass (2)
- Connor Reilly / drums (2)
- Markus Reuter / 1st guitar solo (2), 3rd guitar solo (8)
- Anthony Béard / electric guitar (3)
- Salvador Govea / keyboards (3)
- Joe Lester / bass (3)
- Matt Hollenberg / electric guitar (4)
- Jonathan Piña-Duluc / saxophone (4)
- Alonzo Arjona / drums (4)
- Alan Benjamin / electric guitar (5)
- Ed RosenBerg III / saxophone (5)
- Craig Walkner / drums (5)
- Steve Marek / bass (5)
- Juan Belda / keyboards, effects (5)
- Rémi Leclerc / drums & percussion (6)
- Håkan Almkvist / electric guitar (7)
- Ivan Rozmainsky / keyboards, effects (8)

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^^ I think 2 separate entries of "99% the same musically" albums would lead to even worse confusion. 

At the moment I updated the album almost as you suggested.
You're right, with the list of bands the line-up info would be too long. As well as the explanation of track 8 versions' differences. I only mentioned that it's different on CD and digital album.
And, finally, I've changed the title to W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With A Little Hell From MORE Friends).


Edited by NotAProghead - 2 hours 46 minutes ago at 17:48
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^ Though Discogs still keeps the titles of the two releases the same, despite the different covers (I don't think they have realised as yet that track 8 differs in both in its length and musicians it features, so that may still change). 
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

I'd suggest to use this cover (from CD and Bandcamp page)

and change the album title to "W.A.L.H.F. MORE F." or "W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With a Little Hell From MORE Friends)".
The more I think about this, the more I think that RYM's approach is the right one. Although the two albums are 99% the same musically, the covers are different and the titles are different, so perhaps they need to be included as separate entries as on RYM, simply to avoid confusion?
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^ Thanks, Mayer, done.
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=87736

Compilation not studio, sorry
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^ Sorry, David, our posts appaered at the same time. I have to read yours carefully.

But regarding the cover:
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

but I'll certainly just let someone else decide which of the covers to use on our page for the album. Embarrassed 
I'd suggest to use this cover (from CD and Bandcamp page)

and change the album title to "W.A.L.H.F. MORE F." or "W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With a Little Hell From MORE Friends)".


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Corrected line-up (without including the bands that the musicians have previously played with after their names) for the Azafrán Media version:

- Hey Figueroa / bass (4,6-8)
- Gerardo Ramlop / xylophone (3,5,7)
- Paolo Botta / keyboards, effects (2,6)
- Samo Salamon / all guitar solos (5), 1st guitar solo (8)
- Armando Lagarda / rhythm guitar (1)
- Antonio Garcidueñas / drums (1)
- Patrick Gauthier / piano solo (3), keyboards (7)
- Miguel Saenger C. / drums (3,7)
- Bernard Falaise / electric guitars (6), guitar solo (7), 2nd guitar solo (8)
- Vincent Sicot-Vantalon / keyboards, effects (1)
- Emanuele Sterbini / bass (1)
- Shawn Persinger / electric guitar (1), 2nd & 3rd guitar solos (2), 1st guitar solo (3)
- Marc Ducret / guitar solo (1), 2nd guitar solo (3), midsection electric guitars (4)
- Ben Spees / electric guitar (2)
- Oliver Campbell / bass (2)
- Connor Reilly / drums (2)
- Markus Reuter / 1st guitar solo (2), 3rd guitar solo (8)
- Anthony Béard / electric guitar (3)
- Salvador Govea / keyboards (3)
- Joe Lester / bass (3)
- Matt Hollenberg / electric guitar (4)
- Jonathan Piña-Duluc / saxophone (4)
- Alonzo Arjona / drums (4)
- Alan Benjamin / electric guitar (5)
- Ed RosenBerg III / saxophone (5)
- Craig Walkner / drums (5)
- Steve Marek / bass (5)
- Juan Belda / keyboards, effects (5)
- Rémi Leclerc / drums & percussion (6)
- Håkan Almkvist / electric guitar (7)
- Ivan Rozmainsky / keyboards, effects (8)
- Tatsuya Yoshida / drums (8)

Now, it appears from what info is available at the moment that there are two different versions of track 8 'Kobaïan Call To War (Part 2)' on the self-released and Azafrán Media versions, since on RYM the timings for the two releases are different for this track (2:57 vs 3:09) whereas they are the same for all the others.

This explains the absence of Tatsuya Yoshida on drums for this track in our current listing. It would appear that the two versions of this track featured the same keyboard player and bassist, but a totally different guitar and drum set up, with the self-released version featuring the rhythm guitar of Armando Lagarda, who also plays rhythm on Kobaïan Call To War (Part 1), and just one guitar soloist, whereas the Azafrán Media version featured no rhythm guitar but had three different soloists. 

The drummer on the self-released version of Kobaïan Call To War (Part 2) was Antonio Garcidueñas, the same guy who plays on track 1 'Kobaïan Call To War (Part 1)'.

So, in summary I'd use the above info from the Bandcamp/Azafrán Media version on our page, change the cover to the corresponding yellow/orange one, and then add a note at the bottom about the apparent differences in track 8 compared to the self-released version, along with the alternative cover image that this version has.

If you really feel the need to list the bands that all these musicians have previously played with, then maybe include it as a separate list as on Bandcamp:

- Matt Hollenberg (John Zorn, Titan To Tachyons)
- The Mercury Tree (Ben Spees, Oliver Campbell & Connor Reilly)
- Markus Reuter (Stick Men, The Crimson Projekct)
- Marc Ducret (Tim Berne, Bobby Previte)
- Patrick Gauthier (Magma, Weidorje)
- Paolo Botta (Yugen, Ske, French TV)
- Bernard Falaise (Miriodor, Ensemble Supermusique)
- Alan Benjamin (Advent, Mirthrandir)
- Tatsuya Yoshida (Koenjihyakkei, Ruins)
- Anthony Beard (Ni, Piniol, Scherzoo)
- Rémi Leclerc (Miriodor, Les Projectionnistes)
- Emanuele Sterbini (Sterbus)
- Craig Walkner (Far Corner, William Kopecky)
- Ed RosenBerg III (Jerseyband, Kilter)
- Håkan Almkvist (Ensemble Nimbus, Hans Bruniusson)
- Ivan Rozmainsky (Roz Vitalis, Compassionizer)
- Vincent Sicot-Vantalon (Unit Wail, Scherzoo)
- Joe Lester (Intronaut, Mouth of the architect)
- Samo Šalamon (Quartet, Quintet...)
- Shawn Persinger (Boud Deun, Prester John)
- Steve Marek (Monobody, Loose Lips Sink Ships)
- Salvador Govea (Iconoclasta, Govea)
- Jonathan Piña-Duluc (Proyecto Piña-Duluc, El Trío)
- Juan Belda (Juan Belda Bit Band, Skalectric)

Edit: I forgot to mention, if you go for the Bandcamp/Azafrán Media version, then the timing of track 8 will need to be changed to 3:09 and the total time to 42:21. Embarrassed


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Thanks, looks like I haven't paid enough attention. So then the entry was more correct than I thought and you just do what you think is right (as of course you'd have done anyway).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yam yam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6 hours 38 minutes ago at 13:56
^ It seems that both covers are technically correct. The current cover that we have (grey) would appear to be the one accompanying the self-released version of the album, and the yellow/orange one seems to be associated with the Azafrán Media version, both of which seem to have been simultaneously released on July 9th this year.

Here are the two Discogs pages:

The musicians info we that we currently have isn't quite right either. There is no mention of Tatsuya Yoshida playing drums on track 8 - either on our page or on either of the Discogs ones - and he is definitely included on the Bandcamp CD inlay image. There are some other musicians credits errors on our page too, as well as two of the musicians being included on the same line in the credits.

I also don't believe that including all the bands that the guest musicians have previously played with in the credits is really necessary - it just makes that section look very untidy and difficult to follow imho.

I can sort all this out and post a corrected version of the credits here later on tonight if required, but I'll certainly just let someone else decide which of the covers to use on our page for the album. Embarrassed
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 40 minutes ago at 10:54
I just listen to Greco Bastian's 2024 album. According to bandcamp, this is called "WAHLF MORE F." 
https://grecobastian.bandcamp.com/album/walhf-more-f

Our page 
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=85628 
calls it "With a little hell from my friends", which is actually the title of his 2022 album (apparently correctly listed here:  https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=76896).

Also the 2024 album cover is wrong and belongs to "hell". Otherwise the information (tracks and line-up) seems correct for 2024, i.e., the title and cover need changing. Apparently I could change the title but I have no idea how to change the cover. 
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I agree with you, and i think also the group will do. ;-)
The latter pic is better imho.

- E&O Team: Thanks, David and Enrique, the Reverie pic changed.


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^ That band pic on Reverie's main page is shockingly bad lol!

Someone else will need to take care of editing it though.

Here's the same photo in better quality:



Source of image: Facebook.

Or we could perhaps use this one:



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^ Thanks enrique, done: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=87733.

Note: The CD was released on 11th June, and although the album wasn't available on Bandcamp until the end of June, other digital platforms also give the release date as 11th June.

I also updated the cover with the one from Bandcamp, which is square rather than oblong.
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Hi, I was adding "I giardini di Adone", the latest album by Italian band Reverie but I did press "submit" by mistake!

The missing data are the following:

*release information*

Label: DownBridge Publishing, Smayra Publishing
Format: Digital, CD

Release: June 30, 2024


*track list*

1. Parole d'acqua (6:26)
2. Parole d'acqua II (7:23)
3. I giardini di Adone (2:20)
4. Terrae semen (4:53)
5. Nexus rerum (6:18)
6. Danza delle Oreadi (3:52)
7. Danza delle Naiadi (3:10)
8. Danza delle Esperidi (4:36)
9. Danza del Labirinto (3:40)
10. Nei giardini dell'impossibile (3:33)
11. Après le voyage (5:30)
12. Arianna a Naxos (2:27)
13. Gaia - Il respiro del mondo (6:52)

Total time: 61:00

*Line up*

Valerio Vado - guitars, mandolin, keyboards, effects, percussions

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