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    Posted: November 23 2024 at 09:58

I reckon that it's most commonly today to consider
Yes
King Crimson
Genesis
Jethro Tull
ELP  and
Pink Floyd
as The Big Six of the classic Progressive Rock from the 1970s.

Now, I'd like to know which of these bands do you find to be the most archetypal of the classic '70s Progressive Rock?

You can vote for as many of these 6 bands as you want to, and each time a band gets a vote, I'll give it 1 point, and by updates I'll tell the total score at a given point of time, and as voted by whom.

I find the most archetypal
ELP
Yes
Genesis

So the score to begin with is
ELP - 1
Yes - 1
Genesis - 1
Jethro Tull - 0
King Crimson - 0
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D

Edit: I can tell that by "the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock", I mean that which is the most stylistically typical, or representative and most defining for the classic Progressive Rock in the 1970s.


Edited by David_D - 5 hours 44 minutes ago at 07:41
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The Moody Blues oft neglected but really deserve more.
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Can we only vote for three?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 11:35
KC
Yes
genesis

Of these.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 12:17
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Can we only vote for three?

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

You can vote for all of these bands you want, .........
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The present result is:

Yes - 2
Genesis - 2
ELP - 1
King Crimson - 1
Jethro Tull - 0
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D and Valdez


Edited by David_D - November 23 2024 at 13:25
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

The Moody Blues oft neglected but really deserve more.

Discussion is of course very welcomed, but especially of "The Big Six".
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Yes
King Crimson
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I think of ELP as the quintessential Prog band (a sound so associated with Prog fro good or bad), followed by Yes and King Crimson in its own way. And of course Prog-Genesis has been incredibly influential and does deserve mention.   I had not associated Pink Floyd with Prog so much when growing up.

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Tull - who probably did more diversification in sound than any of the others.
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King Crimson

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Then it says:

Yes - 5
King Crimson - 4
Genesis - 3
ELP - 2
Jethro Tull - 1
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan and The Dark Elf

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ELP
King Crimson
The originators.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 17:31
I think that Yes and Genesis are on the podium.

Pink Floyd came from psychedelia, they were prog only in passing, they are much more than prog.

Jethro tull before Thick As a Brick were mainly folkblues, they too were prog in passing.

Now that leaves EL&P and King Crimson.

Both can aspire to the podium, as importance for prog. EL&P came from Nice, from adapting classical music to rock, and they were very successful. 
King Crimson have never adapted classical music to rock, they come partly from psychedelia, partly from the avant-garde, partly from melodic romantic rock and, from their second album onwards, partly from jazz.

In short, King Crimson are much more experimental than EL&P. And they kick-started Prog with their first album. They went through various musical phases, often changing their sound, whereas EL&P always remained the same. KC are definitely more difficult than El&P. But like Pink Floyd they are admired far beyond prog.

However, both choices seem legitimate to me. 
I choose King Crimson, because in my opinion without them, prog would be lost far more than it is with EL&P.

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- Yes
- Genesis
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Yes
Genesis (PG and SH era only of course)
King Crimson

ELP were too far off on the extreme end. They represent prog at it's most excessive but not most typical imo. I still like them but that's beside the point.
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So by now:

Yes - 7
King Crimson - 7
Genesis - 5
ELP - 3
Jethro Tull - 1
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan, The Dark Elf, Easy Money, jamesbaldwin and AFlowerKingCrimson

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I say Yes and Genesis.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 18:18
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

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In short, King Crimson are much more experimental than EL&P. And they kick-started Prog with their first album. They went through various musical phases, often changing their sound, whereas EL&P always remained the same. KC are definitely more difficult than El&P. But like Pink Floyd they are admired far beyond prog.

However, both choices seem legitimate to me
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Very nice with your thorough reasoning and explanation. One can vote for up to all 6 bands, so you can vote for ELP too, if you want to.

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I few years ago, I was asked by a work colleague what is progressive rock. I decided to answer this question with an example. After a considerable amount of thought about possibilities, I decided that the classic period prog groups were too original sounding for any to be considered definitive, so I eventually chose the retro-prog album Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere. I felt that the relatively unoriginal retro-prog would blend together the distinct styles from the classic period and later to form music that is truly definitive of the core of progressive rock. Also, despite being somewhat unoriginal, Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere is a great album, so that one could decide if progressive rock is for them by listening to Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere.
 

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Yes for being Symphonic (best example Tales From Topographic Oceans)
Genesis for Crossover (best example A Trick Of The Tail)
ELP for Eclectric (best example Brain Salad Surgery)
King Crimson for Experimental (best example Larks Tongues In Aspic)
Pink Floyd for Psyche (best example Wish You Were Here)
Jethro Tull for Heavy Prog (best example Aqualung)

ELP are by far the most misunderstood band of the classic era. They rarely get enough credit. BSS was an insane album that took us on a rollercoaster of a ride through English poetry, hymn, progressive electronica, classic English ballad, English music hall, Symphonic and Avant jazz. They had no boundaries and were exactly what prog was meant to be. Ultimately they relied too much on the creativity of one guy and he was drained by 1974.

However they all are the archetypal bands of prog and represent all the major strands of prog. (IMO)


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