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Topic: The most archetypal classic Progressive Rock?
Posted By: David_D
Subject: The most archetypal classic Progressive Rock?
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 09:58

I reckon that it's most commonly today to consider
Yes
King Crimson
Genesis
Jethro Tull
ELP  and
Pink Floyd
as The Big Six of the classic Progressive Rock from the 1970s.

Now, I'd like to know which of these bands do you find to be the most archetypal of the classic '70s Progressive Rock?

You can vote for as many of these 6 bands as you want to, and each time a band gets a vote, I'll give it 1 point, and by updates I'll tell the total score at a given point of time, and as voted by whom.

I find the most archetypal
ELP
Yes
Genesis

So the score to begin with is
ELP - 1
Yes - 1
Genesis - 1
Jethro Tull - 0
King Crimson - 0
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D

Edit: I can tell that by "the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock", I mean that which is the most stylistically typical, or representative and most defining for the classic Progressive Rock in the 1970s.


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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 11:13
The Moody Blues oft neglected but really deserve more.

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 11:18
Can we only vote for three?


Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 11:35
KC
Yes
genesis

Of these.

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 12:17
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Can we only vote for three?

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

You can vote for all of these bands you want, .........


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 12:22

The present result is:

Yes - 2
Genesis - 2
ELP - 1
King Crimson - 1
Jethro Tull - 0
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D and Valdez


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 12:35
Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

The Moody Blues oft neglected but really deserve more.

Discussion is of course very welcomed, but especially of "The Big Six".


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Posted By: felonafan
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 13:01
Yes
King Crimson


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 13:25
I think of ELP as the quintessential Prog band (a sound so associated with Prog fro good or bad), followed by Yes and King Crimson in its own way. And of course Prog-Genesis has been incredibly influential and does deserve mention.   I had not associated Pink Floyd with Prog so much when growing up.

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 13:50
Tull - who probably did more diversification in sound than any of the others.
Yes
King Crimson



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 14:32

Then it says:

Yes - 5
King Crimson - 4
Genesis - 3
ELP - 2
Jethro Tull - 1
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan and The Dark Elf



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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 17:23
ELP
King Crimson
The originators.


Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 17:31
I think that Yes and Genesis are on the podium.

Pink Floyd came from psychedelia, they were prog only in passing, they are much more than prog.

Jethro tull before Thick As a Brick were mainly folkblues, they too were prog in passing.

Now that leaves EL&P and King Crimson.

Both can aspire to the podium, as importance for prog. EL&P came from Nice, from adapting classical music to rock, and they were very successful. 
King Crimson have never adapted classical music to rock, they come partly from psychedelia, partly from the avant-garde, partly from melodic romantic rock and, from their second album onwards, partly from jazz.

In short, King Crimson are much more experimental than EL&P. And they kick-started Prog with their first album. They went through various musical phases, often changing their sound, whereas EL&P always remained the same. KC are definitely more difficult than El&P. But like Pink Floyd they are admired far beyond prog.

However, both choices seem legitimate to me. 
I choose King Crimson, because in my opinion without them, prog would be lost far more than it is with EL&P.

-King Crimson
- Yes
- Genesis


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 17:34
Yes
Genesis (PG and SH era only of course)
King Crimson

ELP were too far off on the extreme end. They represent prog at it's most excessive but not most typical imo. I still like them but that's beside the point.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 18:11
So by now:

Yes - 7
King Crimson - 7
Genesis - 5
ELP - 3
Jethro Tull - 1
Pink Floyd - 0

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan, The Dark Elf, Easy Money, jamesbaldwin and AFlowerKingCrimson



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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 18:13
I say Yes and Genesis.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 18:18
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

...............
In short, King Crimson are much more experimental than EL&P. And they kick-started Prog with their first album. They went through various musical phases, often changing their sound, whereas EL&P always remained the same. KC are definitely more difficult than El&P. But like Pink Floyd they are admired far beyond prog.

However, both choices seem legitimate to me
.............

Very nice with your thorough reasoning and explanation. One can vote for up to all 6 bands, so you can vote for ELP too, if you want to.



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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 18:36
I few years ago, I was asked by a work colleague what is progressive rock. I decided to answer this question with an example. After a considerable amount of thought about possibilities, I decided that the classic period prog groups were too original sounding for any to be considered definitive, so I eventually chose the retro-prog album Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere. I felt that the relatively unoriginal retro-prog would blend together the distinct styles from the classic period and later to form music that is truly definitive of the core of progressive rock. Also, despite being somewhat unoriginal, Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere is a great album, so that one could decide if progressive rock is for them by listening to Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere.
 



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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 21:31
Yes for being Symphonic (best example Tales From Topographic Oceans)
Genesis for Crossover (best example A Trick Of The Tail)
ELP for Eclectric (best example Brain Salad Surgery)
King Crimson for Experimental (best example Larks Tongues In Aspic)
Pink Floyd for Psyche (best example Wish You Were Here)
Jethro Tull for Heavy Prog (best example Aqualung)

ELP are by far the most misunderstood band of the classic era. They rarely get enough credit. BSS was an insane album that took us on a rollercoaster of a ride through English poetry, hymn, progressive electronica, classic English ballad, English music hall, Symphonic and Avant jazz. They had no boundaries and were exactly what prog was meant to be. Ultimately they relied too much on the creativity of one guy and he was drained by 1974.

However they all are the archetypal bands of prog and represent all the major strands of prog. (IMO)


Posted By: GuruCan
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 03:43


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 05:27

This update says:

Yes - 9
King Crimson - 8
Genesis - 7
ELP - 4
Jethro Tull - 2
Pink Floyd - 1

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan, The Dark Elf, Easy Money, jamesbaldwin, AFlowerKingCrimson, mathman0806 and richardh



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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 05:33
1. Renaissance
2. Yes
3. ELP


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 07:19
I think of In The Court Of The Crimson King as the prototype for all later archetypical classic prog rock. Including the classic sound of Yes, Genesis and ELP, so for me the answer can only be King Crimson.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 07:29
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

King Crimson have never adapted classical music to rock, they come partly from psychedelia, partly from the avant-garde, partly from melodic romantic rock and, from their second album onwards, partly from jazz.

In short, King Crimson are much more experimental than EL&P. And they kick-started Prog with their first album. They went through various musical phases, often changing their sound, whereas EL&P always remained the same. KC are definitely more difficult than El&P. But like Pink Floyd they are admired far beyond prog.

However, both choices seem legitimate to me. 

Curiously enough how differently people can think because those characteristics of KC are exactly one of the reasons for why I don't find them to be one of the most archetypal bands of classic Progressive Rock. - That is except from "...they kick-started Prog with their first album", but that because it itself is probably not any sufficiently legitimate reason to me anyway, but that also depending on what you exactly mean with it. Smile


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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 07:57
I'd like to nominate the Soft Machine from 1967 as the archetypical progressive rock band no. 1.



Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 08:41
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

I'd like to nominate the Soft Machine from 1967 as the archetypical progressive rock band no. 1.

Well, you'll get the chance to vote for The Soft Machine in the part two thread, I've planned about this topic and which will include TSM, while I can also already tell that I'm sorry but to me, they're definitely not some of the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock.



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 08:48

Now it looks like:

Yes - 10
King Crimson - 9
Genesis - 7
ELP - 5
Jethro Tull - 2
Pink Floyd - 1

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan, The Dark Elf, Easy Money, jamesbaldwin, AFlowerKingCrimson, mathman0806, richardh, Psychedelic Paul and Saperlipopette!



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 10:12

I can tell that by "most archetypal classic Progressive Rock", I mean that which is most typical or most defining for the classic Progressive Rock.


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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 11:00
[not relevant]

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 12:32

^ Floydoid, is this just meant as your personal reflection, or supposed to be a precise answer to my OP question and included in the voting? Because if the latter, I have to interpret it. Tongue


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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 12:40
[not relevant]

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 14:44

Thank you very much for all the answers so far. Smile


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 16:18
Yes
ELP
King Crimson


Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 17:58
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

I'd like to nominate the Soft Machine from 1967 as the archetypical progressive rock band no. 1.

Well, you'll get the chance to vote for The Soft Machine in the part two thread, I've planned about this topic and which will include TSM

That's splendid. Do remember The Nice, Family, and Van der Graaf Generator as well, because they were also the original movement's archetypical progressive rock bands.

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

while I can also already tell that I'm sorry but to me, they're definitely not some of the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock.

Indeed, in the 1970s they transitioned to jazz-rock/fusion; however, the Soft Machine from the late 1960s are undoubtedly one of the archetypal representatives of the progressive rock movement.


Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 19:51
Originally posted by I.P. Disaster I.P. Disaster wrote:

I few years ago, I was asked by a work colleague what is progressive rock. I decided to answer this question with an example. After a considerable amount of thought about possibilities, I decided that the classic period prog groups were too original sounding for any to be considered definitive, so I eventually chose the retro-prog album Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere.
There are a lot of super cliché genre-demonstrating and archetypical 70's prog bands. Just, not in the "first wave" UK zone (with the exception of Refugee). For example Quill (US), Ethos (US), Kaipa (Sweden), Pollen (Canada) et al.

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Posted By: GuruCan
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 21:06
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:


I'd like to nominate the Soft Machine from 1967 as the archetypical progressive rock band no. 1.


Well, you'll get the chance to vote for The Soft Machine in the part two thread, I've planned about this topic and which will include TSM


That's splendid. Do remember The Nice, Family, and Van der Graaf Generator as well, because they were also the original movement's archetypical progressive rock bands.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by I.P. Disaster I.P. Disaster wrote:

I few years ago, I was asked by a work colleague what is progressive rock. I decided to answer this question with an example. After a considerable amount of thought about possibilities, I decided that the classic period prog groups were too original sounding for any to be considered definitive, so I eventually chose the retro-prog album Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere.
There are a lot of super cliché genre-demonstrating and archetypical 70's prog bands. Just, not in the "first wave" UK zone (with the exception of Refugee). For example Quill (US), Ethos (US), Kaipa (Sweden), Pollen (Canada) et al.
Nah. When it comes to the U.S. bands, it could be only Utopia.




Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 21:25
As much as I love VDGG they were really a 'one off' and entirely based around the mercurial genius of Peter Hammill. What other bands sounded even remotely like them??!


Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 22:09
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

As much as I love VDGG they were really a 'one off' and entirely based around the mercurial genius of Peter Hammill. What other bands sounded even remotely like them??!
Ah, the term 'archetypal'—a rather posh way of saying *original,* wouldn't you agree? Now, when it comes to bands that have taken a leaf out of the Van der Graaf Generator playbook and decided to traipse down a similar path, we find ourselves with quite the eclectic bunch. There’s the late 70s Swiss band Island, who released only one record, yet a masterpiece with H.R. Giger sleeve design, seems to think they can channel that vibe. Discipline, who are clearly on a mission; Dear Hunter, who might be hunting for something more than just a catchy tune; Thank You Scientist, because why not throw in a bit of gratitude while we’re at it; and Dog Fashion Disco—yes, you read that right. It’s all rather amusing, really. By the way, as you can see, he also regrettably missed Gentle Giant; he just listed the "Big Six."


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 08:21

At this point of time, in the question of the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock, the voting says:

Yes - 11
King Crimson - 10
Genesis - 7
ELP - 6
Jethro Tull - 2
Pink Floyd - 1

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan, The Dark Elf, Easy Money, jamesbaldwin, AFlowerKingCrimson, mathman0806, richardh, Psychedelic Paul, Saperlipopette! and omphaloskepsis


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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 08:28
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

As much as I love VDGG they were really a 'one off' and
entirely based around the mercurial genius of Peter Hammill. What other
bands sounded even remotely like them??!
Ah, the term
'archetypal'—a rather posh way of saying *original,* wouldn't you agree?
Now, when it comes to bands that have taken a leaf out of the Van der
Graaf Generator playbook and decided to traipse down a similar path, we
find ourselves with quite the eclectic bunch. There’s the late 70s Swiss
band Island, who released only one record, yet a masterpiece with H.R.
Giger sleeve design, seems to think they can channel that vibe.
Discipline, who are clearly on a mission; Dear Hunter, who might be
hunting for something more than just a catchy tune; Thank You Scientist,
because why not throw in a bit of gratitude while we’re at it; and Dog
Fashion Disco—yes, you read that right. It’s all rather amusing, really.
By the way, as you can see, he also regrettably missed Gentle Giant; he
just listed the "Big Six."


May I add to your suggestions the following group names :
Gargamel from Norway
Areknames from Italy
?


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 09:10
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

As much as I love VDGG they were really a 'one off' and entirely based around the mercurial genius of Peter Hammill. What other bands sounded even remotely like them??!
Ah, the term 'archetypal'—a rather posh way of saying *original,* wouldn't you agree? Now, when it comes to bands that have taken a leaf out of the Van der Graaf Generator playbook and decided to traipse down a similar path, we find ourselves with quite the eclectic bunch. There’s the late 70s Swiss band Island, who released only one record, yet a masterpiece with H.R. Giger sleeve design, seems to think they can channel that vibe. Discipline, who are clearly on a mission; Dear Hunter, who might be hunting for something more than just a catchy tune; Thank You Scientist, because why not throw in a bit of gratitude while we’re at it; and Dog Fashion Disco—yes, you read that right. It’s all rather amusing, really. By the way, as you can see, he also regrettably missed Gentle Giant; he just listed the "Big Six."

I like DFD but not so much Dear Hunter or Thank You Scientist. I'm not convinced any of those are like VDGG though.

On the definition then I suppose you are correct. However does it mean the style has to stay the same? VDGG doesn't change but King Crimson were almost a reinvention for every album which for some may the defintion of progressive rock. Genesis and Yes (and VDGG) just do the same thing (brilliantly) for every album so what does that say. I'm confused about the point of the thread tbh. Is it just about what is 'progressive' or what bands influence can be strongly heard in modern day prog? The latter is what I took it to be but then I may just be confused.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 09:10
I guess KC...they never stopped being prog or progressive either, even though after Islands I have tough time enjoying them


Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 10:41
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

As much as I love VDGG they were really a 'one off' and
entirely based around the mercurial genius of Peter Hammill. What other
bands sounded even remotely like them??!
Ah, the term
'archetypal'—a rather posh way of saying *original,* wouldn't you agree?
Now, when it comes to bands that have taken a leaf out of the Van der
Graaf Generator playbook and decided to traipse down a similar path, we
find ourselves with quite the eclectic bunch. There’s the late 70s Swiss
band Island, who released only one record, yet a masterpiece with H.R.
Giger sleeve design, seems to think they can channel that vibe.
Discipline, who are clearly on a mission; Dear Hunter, who might be
hunting for something more than just a catchy tune; Thank You Scientist,
because why not throw in a bit of gratitude while we’re at it; and Dog
Fashion Disco—yes, you read that right. It’s all rather amusing, really.
By the way, as you can see, he also regrettably missed Gentle Giant; he
just listed the "Big Six."


I like DFD but not so much Dear Hunter or Thank You Scientist. I'm not convinced any of those are like VDGG though.

On the definition then I suppose you are correct. However does it mean the style has to stay the same? VDGG doesn't change but King Crimson were almost a reinvention for every album which for some may the defintion of progressive rock. Genesis and Yes (and VDGG) just do the same thing (brilliantly) for every album so what does that say. I'm confused about the point of the thread tbh. Is it just about what is 'progressive' or what bands influence can be strongly heard in modern day prog? The latter is what I took it to be but then I may just be confused.


Richardh,

I would disagree Yes did the same thing for every album. The Yes Album, Fragile, Relayer, Drama and 90125 all sound quite different from each other. You can add the Ancient to the mix from TFTGO as side long piece of music that sounds far different than anything that band ever did. Some of the changes in the musical direction Yes took are due to the keyboardist, drummers and guitarists that were in the band at the time of recording these albums. Kaye, Wakeman, Moraz and Downes would never be mistaken for the other. Steve Howe (Jazz, Country influences) and Trevor Rabin (Metal, Fusion) are stylistically far apart. Obviously, Bruford and White drumming styles are quite different.

As far as KC is concerned, they get far more credit for reinventing themselves from album to album than probably is deserved. The Wetton era of KC chewed much the same ground. The 80s reincarnation of Crimson was quite different than what they had done before, but those three albums, Discipline, Beat and Three of the Perfect Pair, I have always grouped together musically. The Construkction of Light and The Power to Believe does the Industrial Metal experimentation.

Just my take on the matter.

As far as the posters question, Yes and Genesis are probably what people think of when it comes to the arch type Prog. ELP would take the third spot.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 10:56
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm confused about the point of the thread tbh. Is it just about what is 'progressive' or what bands influence can be strongly heard in modern day prog? The latter is what I took it to be but then I may just be confused.

Well, I can't say it better than my question is which of "The Big Six" do you find to be the most archetypal of the classic Progressive Rock, and by now I've defined "archetypal" as:
"I can tell that by "the most archetypal classic Progressive Rock", I mean that which is the most typical or the most defining for the classic Progressive Rock."

The rest is up to you. Smile



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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 11:06
Originally posted by Guru Can Guru Can wrote:

Nah. When it comes to the U.S. bands, it could be only Utopia.
Well, while Todd Rundgren's Utopia is an incredible prog band, in my opinion, they're way too experimental, stylistically eclectic and "shaped like itself" for me to consider them and archetypal example of the prog rock genre in a way that it's an approximation of all the core elements.

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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 14:03
Pink Floyd, Genesis and Yes to me


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 14:13
Depends what one means by 'archetypal'--- if that means finest, it would be the 'big five' or whatever.

But archetypal can also mean most crucial which is a different thing, and for me would indicate Procol Harum, The Nice, Zappa, and the Beach Boys among a few others.

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 15:08
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm confused about the point of the thread tbh. Is it just about what is 'progressive' or what bands influence can be strongly heard in modern day prog? The latter is what I took it to be but then I may just be confused.

I can also tell that my main point with this thread is to get some more understanding of how people think about the most typical or most representative classic Progressive Rock in terms of bands, and maybe discuss that matter.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 15:16

This update says:

Yes - 12
King Crimson - 11
Genesis - 8
ELP - 6
Jethro Tull - 2
Pink Floyd - 2

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan, The Dark Elf, Easy Money, jamesbaldwin, AFlowerKingCrimson, mathman0806, richardh, Psychedelic Paul, Saperlipopette!, omphaloskepsis, kennethlevine and Deadwing



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 15:27
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

.... an archetypal example of the prog rock genre in a way that it's an approximation of all the core elements.

That's a fine definition with me as well.



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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 16:06
Genesis - as long as they were prog, they were more prog and less something else than anyone else I say. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 21:32
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm confused about the point of the thread tbh. Is it just about what is 'progressive' or what bands influence can be strongly heard in modern day prog? The latter is what I took it to be but then I may just be confused.

I can also tell that my main point with this thread is to get some more understanding of how people think about the most typical or most representative classic Progressive Rock in terms of bands, and maybe discuss that matter.

so I'm getting it right. It's not about originality it's about what is typically heard in progressive rock. In that case I would rank as follows:
1. Genesis (a whole sub genre follows them!)
2. Yes (Norwegian bands!)
3. Pink Floyd (guitar lead bands with a wah peddle)
4. Jethro Tull (heavier bands)
5. ELP (RPI perhaps)
6. King Crimson (could say Heavier prog bands same as Tull but actually their influence extends well beyond prog. I think their attitude and approach is not seen that much in modern prog)


Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 06:32
King Crimson


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 06:50
It seems to me that the NeoProg bands of the past 40 years have a monopoly on the dictation of that which we consider to be the "classic" prog sound. After all, their album releases get the most attention, ratings, and reviews--which would seem to indicate that they've mastered the sounds that we all want to hear: the sounds of the "masters."

Marillion
IQ
Pendragon
Mystery 
Pallas
Drifting Sun
Collage
Magenta
Galahad
Airbag
Believe
Arena
Barock Project
Silhouette
Edison's Children
Karfagen
Modern-Rock Ensemble
Tiger Moth Tales
Solstice
Quidam
The Psychedelic Ensemble
Lifesigns
Comedy of Errors
Sylvan



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Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 07:19
^ Nice choices, Drew! There's nothing on that Neo Prog list I dislike. Thumbs Up


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 07:30

Then it looks like:

Yes - 12
King Crimson - 12
Genesis - 9
ELP - 6
Jethro Tull - 2
Pink Floyd - 2

as voted by David_D, Valdez, felonafan, Logan, The Dark Elf, Easy Money, jamesbaldwin, AFlowerKingCrimson, mathman0806, richardh, Psychedelic Paul, Saperlipopette!, omphaloskepsis, kennethlevine, Deadwing, Lewian and frankbostick



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                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond



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