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Procol Harum's greatest record was 1977's "Something Magic"

Gentle Giant's "The Missing Piece" is one of their very best albums....

Genesis-Trespass is better than any Genesis record before or after it...
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^ I can agree w you on Giant and Genesis, but SM being Procol's best?? I can't possibly fathom...
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Takes that most people wouldn't agree with. 
Some of mine:

Tales is the Best Yes Album
Shine On > Echoes
Time and a Word > The Yes Album
A Momentary Lapse of Reason is a great record
Think of Me with Kindness is the best song Gentle Giant ever did
Mike Oldfield's Incantations is a 10/10 Record
'It' is a great album closer

Granted, most of these aren't super hot, but I'm sure many of you have some! (I'm looking at you Paul with your lack of VDGG love!)

Nice, I disagree with all your takes...Some of mine: 

The Final Cut is a great record
Selling England By The Pound is boring
In The Court of The Crimson King is NOT the first prog album

To be honets, I like Leapse, but it has the worst track ever recorded by Pink Floyd, worse than A Spanish Piece
I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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I think Islands is one King Crimson’s best records
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Originally posted by SliprKC70 SliprKC70 wrote:

I think Islands is one King Crimson’s best records

I don't think this is a hot take in any way. Thumbs Up
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Glass Hammer's 2023 album Arise is a 5-star masterpiece!
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Luciano Cilio's Dialoghi del Presente is the best Italian album I know. And I do know the classics...
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Glass Hammer's 2023 album Arise is a 5-star masterpiece!

Going with the contrarian nature of this thread I would highlight their album Three Cheers For The Broken Hearted also. It's the best sort of 'pop' album you can ever listen to. I love it!
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Originally posted by SliprKC70 SliprKC70 wrote:

I think Islands is one King Crimson’s best records
Sure is, but it seems a lot of people do agree with this view (including me).
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

^ I can agree w you on Giant and Genesis, but SM being Procol's best?? I can't possibly fathom...

I agree witn Doug actually. PH, for me, don't have any outstanding albums but Something Magic is at least a prog album. Here I would expect it to have a higher rating.
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Soft Machine's greatest album is "Seven".

The second Mahavishnu Orchestra album "Birds Of Fire" is a bit of a let down after their fantastic debut album "The Inner Mounting Flame". 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

^ I can agree w you on Giant and Genesis, but SM being Procol's best?? I can't possibly fathom...

I agree witn Doug actually. PH, for me, don't have any outstanding albums but Something Magic is at least a prog album. Here I would expect it to have a higher rating.

Can't agree with you there. What about Shine On, Salty Dog, Home, Barricades?? All decent proto-prog!

SM doesn't succeed in the least as a prog album, not to mention that it takes away all the familiar Procol aspects. 
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Soft Machine's greatest album is "Seven".

The second Mahavishnu Orchestra album "Birds Of Fire" is a bit of a let down after their fantastic debut album "The Inner Mounting Flame". 

I don't think that's highly debatable though I tend to disagree and say it's just as good Smile
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

^ I can agree w you on Giant and Genesis, but SM being Procol's best?? I can't possibly fathom...

I agree witn Doug actually. PH, for me, don't have any outstanding albums but Something Magic is at least a prog album. Here I would expect it to have a higher rating.

Can't agree with you there. What about Shine On, Salty Dog, Home, Barricades?? All decent proto-prog!

SM doesn't succeed in the least as a prog album, not to mention that it takes away all the familiar Procol aspects. 
The earlier Procol albums are sort of proto prog, but in Something Magic, you finally hear a mature, fully progressive sound....
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Soft Machine's greatest album is "Seven".

The second Mahavishnu Orchestra album "Birds Of Fire" is a bit of a let down after their fantastic debut album "The Inner Mounting Flame". 

I don't think that's highly debatable though I tend to disagree and say it's just as good Smile
Again, we'll have to agree to disagree on this....judging by the results, The Inner Mounting Flame was a hard act to follow, though many felt Birds Of Fire to be it's equal....it isn't
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^ Sure,
Regarding PH, becoming more incessantly "progressive" does not equal more cohesive or focused. 

Re Mahavishnu, I exactly pointed out that Flame is generally considered > than Birds, thus it is nowhere near a hot take. I, for one, just happen to like Birds just as much.  
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

^ I can agree w you on Giant and Genesis, but SM being Procol's best?? I can't possibly fathom...

I agree witn Doug actually. PH, for me, don't have any outstanding albums but Something Magic is at least a prog album. Here I would expect it to have a higher rating.

Can't agree with you there. What about Shine On, Salty Dog, Home, Barricades?? All decent proto-prog!

SM doesn't succeed in the least as a prog album, not to mention that it takes away all the familiar Procol aspects. 
The earlier Procol albums are sort of proto prog, but in Something Magic, you finally hear a mature, fully progressive sound....

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Probably not such an original prog-rock hot take: "Tormato" is indeed a great album.
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Probably not such an original prog-rock hot take: "Tormato" is indeed a great album.

For me it is a hot take, but there are quite a few people around here that love the album. 
I find it to be quite uneven, half of it is unlistenable for me these days (and I own the album, bonus tracks remaster, I naively thought something good might be in the bonus songs, well, i was wrong... LOL). 
The album opener is great, I've always liked that and the album closer stands above the rest as well, worth the money spent for these two songs i guess. Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Probably not such an original prog-rock hot take: "Tormato" is indeed a great album.


For me it is a hot take, but there are quite a few people around here that love the album. 
I find it to be quite uneven, half of it is unlistenable for me these days (and I own the album, bonus tracks remaster, I naively thought something good might be in the bonus songs, well, i was wrong... LOL). 
The album opener is great, I've always liked that and the album closer stands above the rest as well, worth the money spent for these two songs i guess. Smile


Quite a hot portato for me as well, given the fact that I prefer Tales over this one

Edited by someone_else - November 21 2024 at 00:54
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