PA the only site to recognize J-R Fusion as Prog?

^One might not be personally enthusiastic about distinguishing between "Prog" and progressive. Its understandable. But without that distinction Prog Archives would have to remove about 80-90% of its bands and artists. Surely most of us know when something is "Prog", as in short for "progressive". But that only covers a small percentage of the music on PA. Radiohead is a perfect example. When I listen to Kid A or In Rainbows I don't hear "Prog" as in short for "progressive". Much like say... Can, Tortoise or Zappa, I hear music related to rock that is progressive in its approach. A lot of proggers don't associate Krautrock, Post Rock of Jazz Rock (etc...) with Prog as such. I'm one of them myself. But they all represent variations of a progressive approach to what rock music can be and mean. Without being the genre "Prog Rock". That's why I think they have a natural place in the Prog Archives. Even without actually being Prog.

(Edit: in a nutshell I'm basically agreeing with Awesoreno)

Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 22 2024 at 09:28

David_D wrote: Thank you, guys, because whatever you might think of my posts here, I've come more in terms with the term "prog music" and the way ProgArchives looks today.

cstack3 wrote: David_D wrote: Thank you, guys, because whatever you might think of my posts here, I've come more in terms with the term "prog music" and the way ProgArchives looks today.  It's all good!!  I really enjoy the open banter amongst the many members of the PA community, who span the globe!!   Trying to define "progressive rock" is about as hopeless as trying to define "jazz."  We know it when we hear it!  Now, please enjoy some of my favorite jazz-rock fusion!  This song ran through my head when I was in Istanbul in 1979.   RIP John Goodsall, my friend.

Great track. 

At AP we use multi-tagging, and not only that, but with each tag assignment you can specify a level, to indicate whether that tag is only a minor influence (low level) or a major or even dominant part of the music. RYM does that to some extent (they have primary/secondary genres and descriptors). What we also do at AP (and what no other website is doing AFAIK) is to optionally take it down to the track level, which few users do since it's a lot of work, but it can be helpful sometimes to indicate that some tag on a release is only featured in a few tracks. 

Starshiper wrote: David_D wrote: Logan wrote: Basically as Mike said, I say that Prog and JRF intersect, and they overlap. It all is or all isn't presents a false dichotomy. There's a spectrum etc. To be most precise, I'd say: Artists make albums, and then we try to classify them. We can do that from different genre perspectives and multi-tagged them. So actually, it's about multi-tagging - but it's also an expression of different influences. I like that PA doesn't have a multi-tag system since this is now something unique, because now all other music websites have a multi-tag system, and many of those tags people put are meaningless.

Starshiper wrote: Cristi wrote: Starshiper wrote: David_D wrote: Logan wrote: Basically as Mike said, I say that Prog and JRF intersect, and they overlap. It all is or all isn't presents a false dichotomy. There's a spectrum etc. To be most precise, I'd say: Artists make albums, and then we try to classify them. We can do that from different genre perspectives and multi-tagged them. So actually, it's about multi-tagging - but it's also an expression of different influences. I like that PA doesn't have a multi-tag system since this is now something unique, because now all other music websites have a multi-tag system, and many of those tags people put are meaningless. Multiple tags is a good thing, especially when there are artists that change genre, experiment, try new things, or go with the trends of the time and so on.  I am aware of the advantages of multi-tagging. When I go to the PA database, however, to the entry of a band that is categorised as "symphonic prog," I know that it is prog-rock. On multi-tagged pages, I often see the prog-rock tag in line with, e.g., heavy metal, punk, alt rock, 'post rock,' and so on; needless to say, in most cases it has nothing to do with prog-rock.

^^It would be unique to tag every single Kubrick film as horror because of The Shining too. Uniquely wrong:)

-Yep it's totally unique that PA labels Calling All Stations and Foxtrot as the same kind of music, and that a Miles Davis recording from April 1945 is filed under Jazz Rock/Fusion.

Cristi wrote: Starshiper wrote: Cristi wrote: Starshiper wrote: David_D wrote: Logan wrote: Basically as Mike said, I say that Prog and JRF intersect, and they overlap. It all is or all isn't presents a false dichotomy. There's a spectrum etc. To be most precise, I'd say: Artists make albums, and then we try to classify them. We can do that from different genre perspectives and multi-tagged them. So actually, it's about multi-tagging - but it's also an expression of different influences. I like that PA doesn't have a multi-tag system since this is now something unique, because now all other music websites have a multi-tag system, and many of those tags people put are meaningless. Multiple tags is a good thing, especially when there are artists that change genre, experiment, try new things, or go with the trends of the time and so on.  I am aware of the advantages of multi-tagging. When I go to the PA database, however, to the entry of a band that is categorised as "symphonic prog," I know that it is prog-rock. On multi-tagged pages, I often see the prog-rock tag in line with, e.g., heavy metal, punk, alt rock, 'post rock,' and so on; needless to say, in most cases it has nothing to do with prog-rock. The tags help to describe the music, that's all.

Reviews are the thing that help in today's time of super multi-multiplied multi-tags.

Saperlipopette! wrote: -Yep it's totally unique that PA labels Calling All Stations and Foxtrot as the same kind of music, and that a Miles Davis recording from April 1945 is filed under Jazz Rock/Fusion.