PA the only site to recognize J-R Fusion as Prog?

David_D wrote: David_D wrote: What I believe to be the biggest and most influential music site in the world, RYM, consider Progressive Rock and Jazz-Rock / Jazz Fusion to be separate genres. Okay, "separate" genres wasn't the best word to use, it would be better to say "different" genres.

Yes. Progressive Rock and Jazz-Rock/Jazz Fusion are different genres. Is there anyone on planet PA (apart from maybe Moshkito) that would disagree with that? Different, but more often than not, with tons of overlap. Canterbury Scene is also singled out as a separate or different genre. Every thinkable and unthinkable genre out there is. I don't really see the relevance.

-In what other way can you operate with multiple, sometimes neighbouring genres than to first seperate them from each other? RYM's multiple genres are just handy tools for extra precision. For those of us who prefer it that way. On RYM you will know that although both are considered Jazz Fusion, the former album is much more likely to be proggy than the latter:

Nucleus We'll Talk About it Later: Jazz-Rock, Jazz Fusion, Progressive Rock, Canterbury Scene

Sun Ra Strange Celestial Road: Avant-Garde Jazz, Jazz-Funk, Jazz Fusion, Free Jazz, Spiritual Jazz, Experimental, Big Band

-While on Prog Archives, who does not operate with multiple genres, thousands of albums that has no relation to Progressive Rock whatsoever - are wrongly promoted as belonging to some kind of Prog Rock-subgenre. One might end up thinking that a Modal Jazz album released almost decade before this fusion of Jazz and Rock was even a thing - is infact one of the most treasured Jazz Rock/Fusion-albums of all time.

Btw: its not that I think you disagree with all - if any of this. I'm mainly just following my own line of thought.

David_D wrote: A remark which might be useful: Your OP looks very fine to me, Drew, but the thread title seems to be rather strange when to begin analyze it from a philosophical / epistemological point of view.

Cristi wrote: David_D wrote: A remark which might be useful: Your OP looks very fine to me, Drew, but the thread title seems to be rather strange when to begin analyze it from a philosophical / epistemological point of view.  Not that useful I'm afraid...

Edited by David_D - September 18 2024 at 01:30

octopus-4 wrote: My criteria are easy: I like it - It's prog I don't like it - It's not

siLLy puPPy wrote: BrufordFreak wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: And for the record, PA is not the only website where JRF can be listed as prog.  I had a feeling this was the case. I respect your breadth of experience enough, Mike, to accept your input as truth. The odd thing about the above fact, then, is that most prog lovers will include Mahavishnu Orchestra and maybe even Return to Forever (and Al Di Meola) as prog artists! It's kind of a spectrum. When does red stop being red and become another color? There's a transition through various wavelengths. Same goes with music. Mahavishnus are clearly prog rock mixed with jazz. Sun Ra is jazz fusion but not with prog or even rock which is why he's not here. Some of the artists on PA though are questionable. Like Steely Dan for example. That's jazz rock for sure but not really prog rock

David_D wrote: Cristi wrote: David_D wrote: A remark which might be useful: Your OP looks very fine to me, Drew, but the thread title seems to be rather strange when to begin analyze it from a philosophical / epistemological point of view.  Not that useful I'm afraid...  Well, anyway, it's also a question of how to understand the word "recognize" if to be quite precize, but I think that it would be better with a title like: "PA the only site to consider J-R Fusion as Prog?"

BrufordFreak wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: And for the record, PA is not the only website where JRF can be listed as prog.  I had a feeling this was the case. I respect your breadth of experience enough, Mike, to accept your input as truth. The odd thing about the above fact, then, is that most prog lovers will include Mahavishnu Orchestra and maybe even Return to Forever (and Al Di Meola) as prog artists!

Having Jazz fusion on this site is a necessity and adds to its diversity in the loose sphere of prog. 

Sean Trane wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: And for the record, PA is not the only website where JRF can be listed as prog.  yes  Gibraltar, Prog Lands and ProgGnosis (all defunct sites) listed or reviewed plenty of JR/F bands All cited Mahavishnu, 11th House or RTForever as "prog", but not stuff like Weather Report. and Mwandishi.

Edited by ProggnosisDB - September 21 2024 at 09:08

BrufordFreak wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: BrufordFreak wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: And for the record, PA is not the only website where JRF can be listed as prog.  I had a feeling this was the case. I respect your breadth of experience enough, Mike, to accept your input as truth. The odd thing about the above fact, then, is that most prog lovers will include Mahavishnu Orchestra and maybe even Return to Forever (and Al Di Meola) as prog artists! It's kind of a spectrum. When does red stop being red and become another color? There's a transition through various wavelengths. Same goes with music. Mahavishnus are clearly prog rock mixed with jazz. Sun Ra is jazz fusion but not with prog or even rock which is why he's not here. Some of the artists on PA though are questionable. Like Steely Dan for example. That's jazz rock for sure but not really prog rock (Did I force that color change upon you, Mike?!)