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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Went with Zappa. I'm also a fan of the short-lived Yezda Urfa and Quill. I'm sitting here watching rubber elastomers falling down the steps.

There was also a rather short lived band called Fireballet that was quite good. Smile

Another short lived one was Babylon. Definitely worth checking out. 
 


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Ok so, name me the 70's Tull albums that are prog, besides Thick... Tull was more of a folk rock band. Is Bungle in the Jungle,Locomotive Breath, Too Old to Rock and Roll prog songs? For ELP, they were more classical influenced rock with the Lake penned guitar "hit". If Zappa isn't prog then...


I don't get it. Doesn't ELP's classically influenced rock qualify as Prog to you? That's what most people not into Prog think Prog is all about really (if they have an opinion at all that is). ELP y influenced a myriad of Progbands all over Europe with pretty much that exact approach.

I think of A Passion Play, Minstrel in the Gallery, Aqualung... as 1970's Folky Prog albums (as there's a lot of folk in a lot of Prog) and the way I see it; Songs From the Wood and Heavy Horses are Prog Folk albums.

Btw: Zappa is more than Prog enough for me (moreso than Zappa himself would care for), but I'm among the more - or even most inclusive in my Prog definition. And I include Jazz Fusion as "Progressive Rock" sort of. But many don't think that way.
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^I was only making a point based on Mike's post. If Zappa is not prog, then hardly anyone deserves that genre label.

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Frank Zappa, one of the most important and best artists.
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Voted for Zappa with a mention for Crack the Sky.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^I was only making a point based on Mike's post. If Zappa is not prog, then hardly anyone deserves that genre label.
Not a particularly stong point I think. To me it's obvious that Zappa is an artist in the outskirts of, but to me personally within the realms of Progressive Rock. Early 1970's ELP, Genesis, Yes etc... are prototypically Prog Rock. So I understand why everyone agrees that the three latter bands represent classic Prog Rock, and why not everyone agrees that Zappa belongs in that company.
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Synergy and Starcastle should be part of this poll.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^I was only making a point based on Mike's post. If Zappa is not prog, then hardly anyone deserves that genre label.
Not a particularly stong point I think. To me it's obvious that Zappa is an artist in the outskirts of, but to me personally within the realms of Progressive Rock. Early 1970's ELP, Genesis, Yes etc... are prototypically Prog Rock. So I understand why everyone agrees that the three latter bands represent classic Prog Rock, and why not everyone agrees that Zappa belongs in that company.
There is no need to debate this issue. In most of our interactions together on PA, I get the feeling that you enjoy arguing. I'm tired of it.

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Btw: Zappa is more than Prog enough for me (moreso than Zappa himself would care for), but I'm among the more - or even most inclusive in my Prog definition. And I include Jazz Fusion as "Progressive Rock" sort of. But many don't think that way.

Besides Over-nite Sensation, it may very well be that I'd find it okay to label a couple of other Zappa's '70s albums as Progressive Rock - besides other labels.


Edited by David_D - August 29 2024 at 11:10
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So I guess Zappa is considered jazz-rock (not for all albums) rather than jazz fusion. Styx is very Prog-lite. I don;t really think of Beefheart as Prog proper but he is under my umbrella. Some I would have mentioned are Yezda Urfa, Todd Rundgren/Utopia, Pavlov's Dog, Mithrandir, Cathedral, Happy the Man (despite the jazz element), Polyphony, Crack the Sky.

A favourite of mine is McLuhan (but also has jazz rock attributes).

Anyway, voting for Zappa as a favourite.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I'm also a fan of the short-lived Yezda Urfa and Quill.

I've given Yezda Urfa's Boris a new listen, and that's surely some serious Prog stuff, one can get impressed by, which already coverart indicates.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Synergy and Starcastle should be part of this poll.

Thank you for mentioning the vastly underrated Starcastle. Their first two albums are masterpieces, the third album is "really good", and the fourth album is In the Hot Seat/Calling All Stations awful. There was also a "reunion" album that had very little input from original members. Rhythm section Gary Strater (bass) and Stephen Tassler (drums) should be mentioned with the All-Time Greats!
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Went with Zappa. I'm also a fan of the short-lived Yezda Urfa and Quill. I'm sitting here watching rubber elastomers falling down the steps.

There was also a rather short lived band called Fireballet that was quite good. Smile

Another short lived one was Babylon. Definitely worth checking out. 
 

I forgot all about Babylon. That was a great album too! I have the CD somewhere around here. I'm familiar with Fireballet, but will have to give them another listen. Thanks for the suggestions!
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I'm also a fan of the short-lived Yezda Urfa and Quill.

I've given Yezda Urfa's Boris a new listen, and that's surely some serious Prog stuff, one can get impressed by, which already coverart indicates.


I agree. Boris is a great album. Their follow-up album Sacred Baboon is good too (recorded 1976, but not released until 1989). I wish they had had more opportunities to record more music. They certainly were a talented group.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Zappa will win any poll anyway Tongue

It looks so, but to me, this poll may also look like something of a contest between serious business and the more poppy stuff. LOL
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I don't think these were mentioned, I mean there's lots more but I actually like these ones.
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Proto-Kaw's archival album is so much better than Kansas. I've just never liked the violin, whereas Proto-Kaw had sax instead, and sounded more like VDGG.
From the poll Zappa, but so much of his that I like would be considered Jazz Fusion.
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