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Poll Question: Why most prog fans consider Metal (Especially Death ,Thrash and Black)
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I love a lot of different music, but it's time-oriented (1960-70s)., including a lot of non-prog stuff, but for me, a little bit of prog goes a LONG way.

I do think that proggers have better self-awareness than the average music listener and know what they like and might be able to express it better than others, hence, being able to find what you like. I'd also add that music fans who sign up for message boards probably love music a LOT more than the average listener.


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Nonsense. I was into metal before prog rock, roadied for local metal bands as a teen, and though I always appreciated prog, metal was my first love.   I've also always appreciated good pop-- the Police, Prince, Beatles, U2. In fact U2 was among the best live acts I've ever seen.

So your premise is incorrect and presumptuous.

 I also love U2 and The Police.
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Hi,

I don't think there is as much "dislike" in it all, as we think. There are things out there that have a lot of different sentiments that not many folks that like rock music appreciate, and none of these with the really poor attitude from folks that are into classical music first, and still think of all rock and jazz music, as stuff from the streets, and not meant, or fit, to be considered music.

While the streets comment is fair to a point, in the end it shows the illusion that a lot of classical music folks have been under for many years, and specially going back to its history, that it was an "entertainment" for the higher classes, and not meant for the street folk. I suppose this is very visible, at first, in Mozart, that ended up adding bits and pieces of his bar stuff into many of his works, specially the operas, and helping make them a bit more entertaining, which was an attitude for the bars, a lot more than the stuffed up court rooms and the halls of the higher/richer class.

But hearing a maestro say (6 years ago!!!) ... who is Frank Zappa? I might as well have said ... and who the fudge gives a damn about your symphony? And do you care? .... I don't find "prog", "progressive" folks that bad at all ... 


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What a nonsense thread
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What a nonsense thread
I don't think so. I had met so many prog fans that hate everything! except jazz and classical. 


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I like good music.
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I like what I like.
Iron Maiden are one of the greatest bands ever
The Stranglers are one of the greatest bands ever
Black Sabbath are one of the greatest bands ever
I don't listen to these bands that much but I respect them

Nowadays the metal and alternative scenes are massive and hard for me to grasp. I stick with prog but then that often includes a lot of those things. For instance Turbulence, Wheel and Night Verses have all put out albums this year I like. I'm also listening to The Melts and Andy Jackson on the alternative side of things. Sometimes I may dismiss something because of the vocals but there is a hell of a lot of music out there and my brain is not big enough to deal with everything so I stick to a relatively narrow field.
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When it comes to so-called 'metal' I tend to stick with Deep Purple (Mark I and Mark II line ups) and Led Zeppelin who as I recall were embraced by the prog fans back in the day (in the sense they were quality non-commercial sounding bands), and indeed their albums were quite proggy in places. Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep probably should also be included but neither band could I ever get into.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2024 at 03:11
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

When it comes to so-called 'metal' I tend to stick with Deep Purple (Mark I and Mark II line ups) and Led Zeppelin who as I recall were embraced by the prog fans back in the day (in the sense they were quality non-commercial sounding bands), and indeed their albums were quite proggy in places. Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep probably should also be included but neither band could I ever get into.

I'm too young to really consider Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin as "metal". I grew up with metal bands of the 80s, or late 70s (Scorpions, Iron Maiden), and compared to those, the classic early "metal" bands will always be more "Hard Rock" to me.

Be that as it may, I like them all! Cool
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DP and LZ were definitely proto-metal, and two of the heaviest bands around at the time... legend has it that the term 'heavy metal' was first used by a journalist around 69 or 70 describing their sound as like 'heavy metal falling from the sky'.
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What a nonsense thread
I don't think so. I had made so many prog fans that hate everything! except jazz and classical. 

Because your personal experience is reality, correct? 

No, it is not. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DarksideofAbel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2024 at 15:52
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What a nonsense thread
I don't think so. I had made so many prog fans that hate everything! except jazz and classical. 

Because your personal experience is reality, correct? 

No, it is not. 
 Yes, I am correct!!!! Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2024 at 15:58
I'm not sure I understand the question but if I think it's asking what I think it is then I say no I disagree. I don't think all non prog is garbage and not all metal either. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2024 at 16:00
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What a nonsense thread

Pretty much. On top of that it's not even worded in a coherent manner. I don't expect everyone to have perfect English but I could barely figure out what the OP was getting at.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What a nonsense thread

Pretty much. On top of that it's not even worded in a coherent manner. I don't expect everyone to have perfect English but I could barely figure out what the OP was getting at.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was confused by the poll question. Tongue
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It may be a nonsense thread but his English isn't that bad-- I interpreted it fine, so let's cut the non-English phobia.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2024 at 17:49
I found it easy enough to understand and come up with a response, but then I started teaching as an ESL teacher. I've been told here by an eloquent someone that he commonly couldn't understand a word I say. I assumed the problem was more the way I strung together the words, general sentence structure, than understanding the words themselves. I do make typos too often. I feel I have little excuse for not being coherent due to my background, so I would be resistant to judge the communication skills of someone without English as a first language.

I do take issue with the extrapolation that most Prog fans are such haters based on Abel's sample data. I thought it would be good for him to hang around the forums, including General Music Discussions, here more to better glean the wide variety of interests of the local to PA fauna. I wouldn't think that such hatred/loathing/dislike is uncommon, but I would not assume that it is the majority based on my observations. I won't dismiss the idea that it is "most" very easily either.

At one time I would see a lot of complaints that so-called Avant-Prog-oriented audiences would hate on Neo-Prog, and I have seen the disdain for Neo-Prog, and I have seen many on the more melodic Prog side dismissing Avant-Prog as just noise and nonsense. I have seen lot of disparaging comments towards metal too in my time here. Especially Dream Theater used to get a lot of stick, as well as the fans of DT.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It may be a nonsense thread but his English isn't that bad-- I interpreted it fine, so let's cut the non-English phobia.

Speaking for myself it's not about phobia. It's about being able to understand what was typed. If people can make themselves clear then I wouldn't say anything. The fact that Paul echoed my post should tell you it wasn't just one person having trouble understanding what was posted. Anyway, this isn't something worth going around in circles about but I did want to respond to your response since I feel you unfairly labelled this as a case of "phobia."


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Here comes the prog snobs!!!!!!
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