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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (3) Thanks(3)   Quote Floydoid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2024 at 11:27
Prog didn't die in 1979, it merely slipped under the radar of the average music fan.

Tho I agree the classic era (where most of the prog I love is from) is approximately 1968-78.

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Nothing to add - just amazed that this thread is still going ;-)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progaardvark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2024 at 14:34
I don't understand the 1979 demarcation. Why not 1969? Or some other year? Does it not depend on how narrow you define "original." Surely someone could argue so narrowly that anything after King Crimson's debut is unoriginal. I certainly won't. 

I can surely enjoy the latest retro prog along with the latest panhead releases. To me, it hasn't "died" nor is going to "die" in my lifetime. In a world of Bob Ross trees, much is hidden between the branches.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2024 at 15:36
Prog did not die in 1979.....it evolved, though, since then....
          What I like in terms of progressive music seems to fall between the years 1967 and 1982, and later music just isn't my cup of tea, but to say it isn't progressive and does not mean that to a whole lot of folks, I cannot agree with
               And as long as I live in a society where you can listen to what you want, I will do just that...it is immaterial to me if others listen to what I do, but, to rephrase Voltaire a little, "A may not like what you hear, but I will defend to the death your right to hear it!"LOL 
       
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Most music after the 70's was a mistake


What a ridiculous statement!🤣🤣🤣



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Quote Most music after the 70's was a mistake
There's some truth to this not many may notice. When people like me and you remain in our bubble of ambitious indie music, it seems like a ridiculous statement. But when you look at ALL MUSIC IN ALL GENRES EVER RELEASED WORLDWIDE, and compare the ~1910s*-1979 period to the 1980-present period, the latter has seen a much larger volume of bad and mediocre records in proportion to the true masterpieces. From the connoisseur standpoint of course. Relax, YMMV.

*during the early days of recorded music, its commercial distribution all around the globe wasn't standardized well enough to make it possible to determine the clear beginning of the record industry
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Most music after the 70's was a mistake
There's some truth to this not many may notice. When people like me and you remain in our bubble of ambitious indie music, it seems like a ridiculous statement. But when you look at ALL MUSIC IN ALL GENRES EVER RELEASED WORLDWIDE, and compare the ~1910s*-1979 period to the 1980-present period, the latter has seen a much larger volume of bad and mediocre records in proportion to the true masterpieces. From the connoisseur standpoint of course. Relax, YMMV.

This is a statement that would need some solid statistics to earn some validity. Honestly, I don't think that those statistics exist. To me, it just expresses ignorance of many other music domains outside of prog, rock, jazz or folk or others that get sometimes discussed here: there are many other musical territories not or hardly mentioned on these forums that are apparently terra incognita for some - and especially for those who want to defend a claim that "most music after the 70's was a mistake".
This, to me, just exposes ignorance about what music has to offer outside of the "mainstream" (rock, pop, prog and the like...). Nothing else: just ignorance.


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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Most music after the 70's was a mistake
There's some truth to this not many may notice. When people like me and you remain in our bubble of ambitious indie music, it seems like a ridiculous statement. But when you look at ALL MUSIC IN ALL GENRES EVER RELEASED WORLDWIDE, and compare the ~1910s*-1979 period to the 1980-present period, the latter has seen a much larger volume of bad and mediocre records in proportion to the true masterpieces. From the connoisseur standpoint of course. Relax, YMMV.

This is a statement that would need some solid statistics to earn some validity. Honestly, I don't think that those statistics exist. To me, it just expresses ignorance of many other music domains outside of prog, rock, jazz or folk or others that get sometimes discussed here: there are many other musical territories not or hardly mentioned on these forums that are apparently terra incognita for some - and especially for those who want to defend a claim that "most music after the 70's was a mistake".
This, to me, just exposes ignorance about what music has to offer outside of the "mainstream" (rock, pop, prog and the like...). Nothing else: just ignorance.

"This is a statement that would need some solid statistics to earn some validity."

Not necessarily because it's 100% opinion driven. And I'd say the type of opinion upon whether certain music is good or bad is formed on experience, rather than statistics. To each their own. Statistical evidence would come in handy if one was to document more of a "general opinion" though.

My comment was only a way to present one of the many possible reasons such opinion might be expressed. A bit of a "devil's advocate" thing really.

However, I agree with you that had GoodDay provieded better argumentation, that statement would've contributed much more to the discussion. Though simple unelaborate answers are good for fun prog polls, they're not the best "weapon of choice" when you want to express your views with clarity and weight.

Edited by Hrychu - June 13 2024 at 20:43
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I think I can make an accurate prediction about WHEN Progs will die though... 2040.  Our Huge CD collections will be in thrift stores next to the whipped Cream LPs. So will our 'Larks Tongue' T-shirts. Cuz most of us won't be here.  Some poor kid will be digging through the 1.99 CDs and think to himself... Who the F@ck is Samla mammas Mama?



There will be plenty of younger prog fans such as myself waiting with bated breath... I hope that's not too morbid Wink


Not morbid at all. I’ve been buying thrift store relics for years. There’s going to be a few collectors. Like yourself. But the music we listen to is pretty obscure and the average person will skip right past it .
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Prog didn't die in 1979, it merely slipped under the radar of the average music fan.

Tho I agree the classic era (where most of the prog I love is from) is approximately 1968-78.

 
 As you can see yourself!  it did die!!!  as most of the prog that you love and I bet most of us as well, it is from 1968-79!!!  We like new bands from there on (1980 - 2024) due to nostalgia!!!! Cry

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Most music after the 70's was a mistake
There's some truth to this not many may notice. When people like me and you remain in our bubble of ambitious indie music, it seems like a ridiculous statement. But when you look at ALL MUSIC IN ALL GENRES EVER RELEASED WORLDWIDE, and compare the ~1910s*-1979 period to the 1980-present period, the latter has seen a much larger volume of bad and mediocre records in proportion to the true masterpieces. From the connoisseur standpoint of course. Relax, YMMV.

This is a statement that would need some solid statistics to earn some validity. Honestly, I don't think that those statistics exist. To me, it just expresses ignorance of many other music domains outside of prog, rock, jazz or folk or others that get sometimes discussed here: there are many other musical territories not or hardly mentioned on these forums that are apparently terra incognita for some - and especially for those who want to defend a claim that "most music after the 70's was a mistake".
This, to me, just exposes ignorance about what music has to offer outside of the "mainstream" (rock, pop, prog and the like...). Nothing else: just ignorance.


Ok, we are ignorant! Please provide a list of musicians that can top the nortch!!!! these days. but prog!! not classical composter musician or jazz musician. 
That is the purpose of the post. 


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I remember the day the music died. Drove my Chevy to the levee.
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[An uninformed opinion on a subjective topic presented as objective fact]!!!!!!!!!

But hey, [punchy one-liner, wink emote].

I didn't want to be left out.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

[An uninformed opinion on a subjective topic presented as objective fact]!!!!!!!!!

But hey, [punchy one-liner, wink emote].

I didn't want to be left out.
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Most music after the 70's was a mistake
There's some truth to this not many may notice. When people like me and you remain in our bubble of ambitious indie music, it seems like a ridiculous statement. But when you look at ALL MUSIC IN ALL GENRES EVER RELEASED WORLDWIDE, and compare the ~1910s*-1979 period to the 1980-present period, the latter has seen a much larger volume of bad and mediocre records in proportion to the true masterpieces. From the connoisseur standpoint of course. Relax, YMMV.

This is a statement that would need some solid statistics to earn some validity. Honestly, I don't think that those statistics exist. To me, it just expresses ignorance of many other music domains outside of prog, rock, jazz or folk or others that get sometimes discussed here: there are many other musical territories not or hardly mentioned on these forums that are apparently terra incognita for some - and especially for those who want to defend a claim that "most music after the 70's was a mistake".
This, to me, just exposes ignorance about what music has to offer outside of the "mainstream" (rock, pop, prog and the like...). Nothing else: just ignorance.

Like, omg, bravo! Totally agree! Clap
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Most music after the 70's was a mistake
There's some truth to this not many may notice. When people like me and you remain in our bubble of ambitious indie music, it seems like a ridiculous statement. But when you look at ALL MUSIC IN ALL GENRES EVER RELEASED WORLDWIDE, and compare the ~1910s*-1979 period to the 1980-present period, the latter has seen a much larger volume of bad and mediocre records in proportion to the true masterpieces. From the connoisseur standpoint of course. Relax, YMMV.

This is a statement that would need some solid statistics to earn some validity. Honestly, I don't think that those statistics exist. To me, it just expresses ignorance of many other music domains outside of prog, rock, jazz or folk or others that get sometimes discussed here: there are many other musical territories not or hardly mentioned on these forums that are apparently terra incognita for some - and especially for those who want to defend a claim that "most music after the 70's was a mistake".
This, to me, just exposes ignorance about what music has to offer outside of the "mainstream" (rock, pop, prog and the like...). Nothing else: just ignorance.



Ok, let's go into ethnic/world music: 

Reggae/Ska's best period are by light years the 60/70's until Marley's death. It's just been a rehash since, including dubstep (and please, no Eddy Grant or UB40)

if we go to Africa, and Afrobeat or Afrofunk the vest years were the Fella Kuti years and the Nigerian scene... and that was mainly the 70's (just check RYM too see the ratings).

In India, Ravi Shankar came to prominence in the 60/70's and he's usually considered the top slot (at lerast to us westerners)

I know fairly little about Brazil's music industry (outside a few stars in jazz), but in a nutshell, it seems to moi, that the best era is also the 60/70's. 

OK, I guess you may score a point about my knowledge of the Balinese music timeline (ditto for Bhutan's sceneWink)


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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Prog didn't die in 1979, it merely slipped under the radar of the average music fan.


Agreed! The truest and best statement so far. Thumbs Up
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Classics need some time so that the world realises they are classics. Music of the sixties & seventies had more time than music of today.
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Prog didn't die in 1979, it just smelled funny. Wink
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