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    Posted: June 12 2024 at 16:06

Ok. I am the one that started this controversial topic!!! in another post. 
It is very hard to actually to distinguish or notice a band after 1979 that is actually original. like I said also! the only bands that I might consider original and not even 100% are prog Metal bands like:
Meshuggah ( these guys are pretty original) .
Dream Theater is a band that are great musicians mixing prog, fusion jazz and Thrash Metal, great sound they created, but what originality are in their songs? 
Porcupine Tree is a band that mixed in the early days a bit of krautrock (Tangerine Dream) Rush, Pink Floyd and King Crimson. Love the band what originality?
Riverside? Opeth?
Opeth mixed  Death Metal with jazz fusion, folk with prog very successfully and made great albums. is that been original? perhaps!!!
I can perhaps continue mentioning more bands but it will not anywhere?
The question is what band is actually creating a new brand (type) of prog? 
It is very hard when we had bands like: Yes, King Crimson, Gong, Magma, Frank Zappa, henry Cow, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Univers Zero, Gentle Giant and Rush. These bands don't sound like each other at all!!!
Please mention any bands after 1979 that are different from the 70's prog bands. 


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I am at work and as I was going to the bathroom, I was thinking! " But seriously what bands are actually creating new music these days? what bands are trying to create something different like did King Crimson and Zappa in in 1968? 
These bands came to mind, but in a sense are not prog as prog has just become a "Tag" Not originality!!! and you  guys know what I am talking about!!! Prog bands these days are consider prog because of the influences. 
The bands that came to mind are: 
Ulver ( these guys try hard to be different)
Therion? creator of Goth Metal Symphonic that started as Death Metal band.
Mr. Buggle 
Sunn O)))
After Crying
Haggard. 


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Doubling down on a bad idea is never a good idea.

Firstly those bands carried on making music after 1979. Simple example is Rush, Moving Pictures often appearing high in lists as does Crimson's Discipline. Kate Bush makes probably her 2 greatest albums in the 80's. Dismiss her as prog if you like but prog fans love her (go figure!)

Echolyn - who do they sound like? Presumably Gentle Giant because they use multi part harmonies? So basically any band that uses multi part harmonies is a copy of GG? Let's ignore then fact the The Beach Boys were doing it in the 60's so that means GG were copying them?! 

Do you actually understand anything about music? I'm bored discussing this already.
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For me, it's why I use "Prog" and "Progressive Music" in different ways. I would say many bands after 1980 or better yet 1990 are Prog, they have progressive tendencies and attributes, but are not progressive. Unlike bands from before this time period are Progressive, what they were doing was very experimental and expanded the normal rock music to include all the stuff we know to be prog.
Jazz, classical, fusion........ 
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Samla Mammas Manna - the only Avant Prog band I actually like and sounding like no other band I know of. They've been around since the seventies but their most recent album came out in 2002. Smile
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from 1979 to 2024 are 24 Years apart!!! 24 YEARS!!!! Prog only existed 9 years!!! 9 Years!!!! 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Doubling down on a bad idea is never a good idea.

Firstly those bands carried on making music after 1979. Simple example is Rush, Moving Pictures often appearing high in lists as does Crimson's Discipline. Kate Bush makes probably her 2 greatest albums in the 80's. Dismiss her as prog if you like but prog fans love her (go figure!)

Echolyn - who do they sound like? Presumably Gentle Giant because they use multi part harmonies? So basically any band that uses multi part harmonies is a copy of GG? Let's ignore then fact the The Beach Boys were doing it in the 60's so that means GG were copying them?! 

Do you actually understand anything about music? I'm bored discussing this already.

 Do you understand anything about music? yourself? genius? you are bored because you probably can't support your argument convincible. How can you compare the Beach boys with GG? incredible!!!!!! 
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Echolyn? sounds a lot like bands!!! that I mentioned. !!! bad example!!!!



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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Doubling down on a bad idea is never a good idea.

Firstly those bands carried on making music after 1979. Simple example is Rush, Moving Pictures often appearing high in lists as does Crimson's Discipline. Kate Bush makes probably her 2 greatest albums in the 80's. Dismiss her as prog if you like but prog fans love her (go figure!)

Echolyn - who do they sound like? Presumably Gentle Giant because they use multi part harmonies? So basically any band that uses multi part harmonies is a copy of GG? Let's ignore then fact the The Beach Boys were doing it in the 60's so that means GG were copying them?! 

Do you actually understand anything about music? I'm bored discussing this already.

 Do you understand anything about music? yourself? genius? you are bored because you probably can't support your argument convincible. How can you compare the Beach boys with GG? incredible!!!!!! 

Pet Sounds is a widely acknowledged influence on at least some prog bands and artists for sure.

I think you need more exclamation marks to get your point across. Try harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

For me, it's why I use "Prog" and "Progressive Music" in different ways. I would say many bands after 1980 or better yet 1990 are Prog, they have progressive tendencies and attributes, but are not progressive. Unlike bands from before this time period are Progressive, what they were doing was very experimental and expanded the normal rock music to include all the stuff we know to be prog.
Jazz, classical, fusion........ 
 How can you prove that? mentioned these bands:
IQ, Marillion, Illuvatar, Aknedoten?????? 
Ozric Tentacles? maybe!!!! those guys are great!!! 


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Samla Mammas Manna - the only Avant Prog band I actually like and sounding like no other band I know of. They've been around since the seventies but their most recent album came out in 2002. Smile
 I am taking about bands that came out after 1979. 
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No need to get cranky. I submitted my choices in your previous thread.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Doubling down on a bad idea is never a good idea.

Firstly those bands carried on making music after 1979. Simple example is Rush, Moving Pictures often appearing high in lists as does Crimson's Discipline. Kate Bush makes probably her 2 greatest albums in the 80's. Dismiss her as prog if you like but prog fans love her (go figure!)

Echolyn - who do they sound like? Presumably Gentle Giant because they use multi part harmonies? So basically any band that uses multi part harmonies is a copy of GG? Let's ignore then fact the The Beach Boys were doing it in the 60's so that means GG were copying them?! 

Do you actually understand anything about music? I'm bored discussing this already.

 Do you understand anything about music? yourself? genius? you are bored because you probably can't support your argument convincible. How can you compare the Beach boys with GG? incredible!!!!!! 

Pet Sounds is a widely acknowledged influence on at least some prog bands and artists for sure.

I think you need more exclamation marks to get your point across. Try harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes !!!! i do!!! 
Echolyn was made for old prog rock fans!!!! that likes GG, Yes and early marillion sound like!!!! and many other bands. 


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No need to get cranky. I submitted my choices in your previous thread.
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 I don't understand why? when we are talking about PROG! and we have those fans that mention The Beach Boys and I know someone will ALSO mention the THE BEATLES ! I know it will come!!!! 
The Beach Boys are galaxy apart from Zappa and Crimson music!!!! GOSH!!!!
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

For me, it's why I use "Prog" and "Progressive Music" in different ways. I would say many bands after 1980 or better yet 1990 are Prog, they have progressive tendencies and attributes, but are not progressive. Unlike bands from before this time period are Progressive, what they were doing was very experimental and expanded the normal rock music to include all the stuff we know to be prog.
Jazz, classical, fusion........ 
 How can you prove that? mentioned these bands:
IQ, Marillion, Illuvatar, Aknedoten?????? 
Ozric Tentacles? maybe!!!! those are guys are great!!! 
That's the point...For example IQ and Marillion are taking huge influence from Genesis and others who were progressive. IQ, Marillion to me are prog as what they do is based on the earlier 70s bands.

There is nothing to prove, it's how I look at it. I'm a huge Marillion fan, but I'm not caught up on the whole "they have to be progressive or I can't like them..."
Good/great music is just that....
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1979 was a far better year for all music genres worldwide than 1972 in terms of advancements in mixing and production imho.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

For me, it's why I use "Prog" and "Progressive Music" in different ways. I would say many bands after 1980 or better yet 1990 are Prog, they have progressive tendencies and attributes, but are not progressive. Unlike bands from before this time period are Progressive, what they were doing was very experimental and expanded the normal rock music to include all the stuff we know to be prog.
Jazz, classical, fusion........ 
 How can you prove that? mentioned these bands:
IQ, Marillion, Illuvatar, Aknedoten?????? 
Ozric Tentacles? maybe!!!! those are guys are great!!! 
That's the point...For example IQ and Marillion are taking huge influence from Genesis and others who were progressive. IQ, Marillion to me are prog as what they do is based on the earlier 70s bands.

There is nothing to prove, it's how I look at it. I'm a huge Marillion fan, but I'm not caught up on the whole "they have to be progressive or I can't like them..."
Good/great music is just that....
 Don't get me wrong or anybody here!!! I am a huge prog rock band and I love most old and new bands. That is not my point. what I am saying that is hard to find a band after the 70's that does not take their reference from the main known bands. 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

1979 was a far better year for all music genres worldwide than 1972 in terms of advancements in mixing and production imho.
you must be joking!!!! is that is the case why do you like prog? instead of post punk and alternative rock? the 80's was everything against the 70's!! except the Metal's scene that did quoted prog bands as influences. 
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