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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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I'm not sure that the original question can be answered properly ... times change, and all of a sudden, what made something important in 1970, is totally and completely incomprehensible in 2020. Not to mention that a lot of posters will ignore the history behind it, and the litter that the film, or whatever part of it, created.

In the 50's and 60's in Europe, the Vatican had a big mouth and they made a lot of films much more famous than they probably would have been without a word being said ... and of course, the same religious group ended up making DT one of the most famous films ... not only was it selling at the theater ... everyone went to see it with a funny hat on ... but it helped start the video craze ... all of a sudden video recorders and videos were available ... and guess what sold the most? 

Compare that to nowadays, when the media exposure is about the quantity of money they have invested in the film, and you know that whatever is ... this or that ... will be ignored in favor of some "action" or some other far out this or that that makes it pink, and better than a cartoon!

But a lot of films, are remembered time and time again ... and the only issue I have with it is that the ability to SAVE and make these things available is diminishing, even as some films that should have been available, are still controlled, and expensive.

A lot of things I like ... 

Orson Welles's Chimes at Midnight ... is continually dismissed because of a stuck up Shakespearean bunch of idiots that can not fathom a world that is not as pretty, clean, and romantic as their notion is of the bard and its characters. Never mind that "The Globe" didn't even have enough latrines for its public ... specially as those might have been specially saved for the upper class!

Luis Bunuel, made a lot of fun of the religious orders ... they say something about graven images, and continuously stand by them and pretend that those images are the real representative of the whole ... idea! For this, he created many stories that upset the clergy, even though a Dominican Friar and close friend to Luis always said ... he just challenges your ideas and beliefs! So in one film you get a picture of Jesus laughing. In another you see the greatest array of foul mouth terms, to someone in atop a pillar. And then, you get a supper. And if that is not enough, you get a group in a later film setting up explosives under his name! ... best we ignore all that non-sense, right?

There are some films in American History, that I think deserve some more attention ... and at times, I think they were vilified for the wrong thing. "The Wild Bunch" is a very interesting film, and no doubt one of the most incredible spectacle ... but we continuously dislike the end of the film ... which was almost the same thing as the start of the film ... kids playing and killing scorpions with sticks and fire! Guess what the adults did in the end? The irony and accusing finger ... becomes a bizarre adventure that made him glorify some violence, in various directions after that film! And in my book, some of the stuff he did AFTER just was not that good, and was built around the expectation of some glorified violence, which to me, was just like the opening of the horror film and its gore ... bloodier ... and of course now it's in color and we can really see it better, like we need to!


Of course know one knows.. I'm just asking for educated guesses.

Speaking of "The Wild Bunch", it seems to be a poorer movie, influenced by "The Professionals". It even has Robert Ryan! It had quite the cast, fine writing, but maybe the title screwed it up with some movie with a little girl. I think that's something that has more of a factor now - titles. Maybe times I type in a movie, and they constantly give me some sh*tty re-make, or the most recent movie, which is never what I'm looking for.


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I think that "Gone with the Wind" has that epic quality that could definitely draw new audiences in. It's like a cinematic time capsule waiting to be rediscovered! And "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" sounds like a real hidden gem. I stumbled upon it a while back, and its portrayal of human endurance in the face of adversity is both haunting and thought-provoking. It's fascinating how certain films gain relevance with time, especially when they resonate with contemporary issues. Exploring the movies in theater right now might unearth more cinematic treasures waiting to be appreciated!

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^'Gone With the Wind' is fantastic, I love that movie
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All films/shorts made by these two gentlemen. Smile

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Quote All films/shorts made by these two gentlemen. Smile
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Well 'Clockwork Orange' was effectively banned in the UK (by Kubrick himself) from not long after it's release, until his death, so most of us UK movie fans had to wait around 30 years to see it. I agree it is a masterpiece.

I've never wanted to watch it, partly because of the scene with the eyes (can't be doing with it) but mainly because I just don't like Kubrick!

Talking of Malcom McDowell, the film Caligula should be re-visited. On researching I note there is a 173 minute 'ultimate cut' that premiered at the Cannes film festival last year that includes entirely new footage that was not included in the original theatrical release. I've only seen the original to date and nearly everyone involved distanced themselves from it. It's nowhere near as bad as it's reputation though. Even the 'porn heavy' version had a lot going for it as a portrayal of the Roman Empire at a very strange time. It always seems a lot more real than the usual costume dramas. McDowell would easily have won the oscar that year if it hadn't effectively been blacklisted.




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1984, released in... 1984, based off of Orwells novel of the same name

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Hi,

Some more films I really like that I wish could get a better look.

After The Fox (Peter Sellers goes nutz)
Bedazzled (the original needs a remaster)
Performance (far out and well done. But too weird for many!)
Prospero's Books (The best Shakespeare ever!)
The City of Lost Children 
Cinema Paradiso (a good look at film history and what it had to put up with)
The Double Life of Veronique (some far out music and acting)
Walkabout (so pretty and well done, the original is better than the famous exploitation)
Carmen (Carlos Saura) (this time it is a dance film ... very neat!)
The Fencing Master (best fencing film ever and really well done)
Being There (crazy ... so well done, and PS was magnificent)
The Fisher King (excellent, and it included an Oscar!)
Visions of Light (the film about cinematographers that film lovers don't want to see!)

Happy Hunting ... 
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Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.

"Stink" is a harsh word. 
Diamonds was not so good for me. 
The Bond movies were total escapism, not meant to be taken seriously. LOL For me, they began to stink when they made them serious. They also began to stink when the writers began to follow the trends of the time.

The Roger Moore Bonds are campy, a couple to the point of becoming ridiculous, but Roger is fun to watch for sure. 


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Maybe this will be the "Network" (it's much more popular than "Ace in the Hole" or "A Face In The Crowd") of loneliness? Vinyl is hot now, and if radio ever becomes hot, someone might check out and like Andy Griffith's character in that movie.

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.

"Stink" is a harsh word. 
Diamonds was not so good for me. 
The Bond movies were total escapism, not meant to be taken seriously. LOL For me, they began to stink when they made them serious. They also began to stink when the writers began to follow the trends of the time.

The Roger Moore Bonds are campy, a couple to the point of becoming ridiculous, but Roger is fun to watch for sure. 

Yep 'campy' is spot on. I love Moonraker and will happily watch that and The Spy Who Loved Me as a double bill featuring villian (later turned hero, sorry spoilers!) Jaws played by the wonderful Richard Kiel. It did well at the box office grossing $210 million according to wiki on the back of a cost of 'only' $34 million, although that was expensive for a film in those days! (Heaven's Gate was still round the corner)
Goldfinger will always be the best Bond for me with maybe Casino Royale (Daniel Craig's version not the spoof version!) challenging it amongst the more modern Bond films. Pierce Brosnan's are the ones I would probably not bother with at all now. 

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^ I went to see Moonraker in a theater when I was about thirteen.   I liked it.   Can't watch it now, it is truly horrible.

No, for me the more serious the Bonds were the better...except for the Tim Dalton era which was just fetid.

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Going back to the original premise that gave rise to the debate...there are some films that really questioned the system and paradoxically, despite going unnoticed, they had well-known actors. One sees Such good friends, by Otto Preminger because not only is Dyan Cannon there but also James Coco, Burgess Meredith and Jennifer O'Neil. Treating a very very serious topic with the balm of comedy.

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Hi,

Film history has a lot of stuff that simply won't die, though it is hard to not feel bad for so much radio stuff from the 1930's on ... and specially a big applause to Orson Welles, that got so many folks scared that the FCC immediately created 10 commandments for radio ... and these are still there! Listening to it, reminds me of the first films that scared people ... stories of people running out of the theater as the train is coming your way, and that gun is firing towards you ... a reality that film created that is still "alive" today through cleverness.

If you want to see how some things are remembered, go catch VISIONS OF LIGHT which is about cinematographers, and how they did what they did, and how they "made" some directors bit time. And when you see it, there will be bits that you see that ... I've seen that ... but didn't realize ... and the beauty of it all is what makes film great not the "action" crap of over rated cartoon films. There are things that will stun you ... if you have the courage to see it ... Roman Polanski alone had 3 huge moments ... in his vampire satire, the heroes enter a ball room and there are mirrors all around ... and all the vampires stop dancing to look at him and his girlfriend and only then do we see nothing in the mirrors behind him. Later in another film there is a hidden bed behind the door at the end, that GOT EVERYONE in the theater to move their heads to try and see what was behind it ... IN A THEATER. And later his use of a handheld camera that gave us a lot of the Asian film later in Kar-Way and others ... Tess's rape is by the camera ... a moment that in the end, kinda defines the new role of the camera as YOU! And I'm not sure many of us would bother with Bertolucci without Storaro but my saying anything won't matter if you don't know the films ... and their reason for being remembered ... and it wasn't the fame or the fan stuff. You'll never forget that kid in Intervista at the start. But few folks will bother to go see it ... not enough cartoon action for the majority of folks, I guess!


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.

"Stink" is a harsh word. 
Diamonds was not so good for me. 
The Bond movies were total escapism, not meant to be taken seriously. LOL For me, they began to stink when they made them serious. They also began to stink when the writers began to follow the trends of the time.

The Roger Moore Bonds are campy, a couple to the point of becoming ridiculous, but Roger is fun to watch for sure. 
It all started to get a bit silly when James Bond (Pearce Brosnan) rode a tsunami wave with nothing but a surf board, a parachute and bad special effects. Tongue



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Hi,

Some of the films I'm trying to review ... and they all fit in ... sort of ... a bunch of old stuff ... older maybe than what we are used to catching up with ... but they are about the only things I can catch and review these days ... since all the others are too spendy for me to watch ...

Beowulf and Grendel ... Sturla Gunnarsson's take on the story

Happy People ... Werner Herzog's documentary about a bunch of folks way out in the frozen spaces

Heart of Darkness ... Nicolas Roeg takes on the famous story

House of Gucci --- Ridley Scott directed and nice but a film that didn't click with me

I am Damo ... I reviewed the special on it and liked it ... this is basically the same thing. Wonderful story!!!

Incognito ... Crime thriller with Jason Patrick and Irene Jacob

Ithaca ... film directed by Meg Ryan

Kesari ... Hindu film

Kieu ... Vietnamese film

Padmaavat ... Hindu film

Picasso ... a massive documentary on Amazon which is far out and incredible ... not listed anywhere as a "film". Lots of old footage. Very far out.

Queen of the Desert ... Werner Herzog's film about a British woman that ran around the whole of the Sahara Desert ... and is known to have been instrumental in helping a lot of the Arab countries to come together and to be.

Rainy Day ... Woody Allen ... really did not get a good "take" on this for a review ... yet!

Safe Heaven ... Lasse Hallstrom film with Josh Duhamel

Sense and Sensibility -- Ang Lee's film ... when I get over who's gonna cry next I may review it!

Sweet Bird of Youth ... Nicolas Roeg does Tennessee Williams with Elizabeth Taylor ... bad combination in my book ... she doesn't fit Tennessee Williams, but can do a Martha because she can finally not give a damn and swear at Richard! (Edward Albee)

The Devil's Violin ... Film about Paganini

The Innocent ... Luchino Visconti's film with Giancarlo Giannini

The Revenant ... Alejandro Inarritu's film with Leonard CiCaprio ... awesome music by Mogwai

Total Eclipse ... Agnieszka Holland's film about Rimbaud and Verlaine

Vincent & Theo ... Robert Altman ... interesting juxtaposition to a more modern story.

And, of course, a film on Guy Guden by Robert Altman is STILL not in the cards! Wink LOL Clap






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'The Night Porter' (1974) starring Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling - it was acclaimed back in the day, but IMO was never really appreciated as much as it deserves to be... I still believe its time will come. I saw it on initial release at the cinema, and have recently re-watched it on Blu-ray. It still packs a powerful punch.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Well 'Clockwork Orange' was effectively banned in the UK (by Kubrick himself) from not long after it's release, until his death, so most of us UK movie fans had to wait around 30 years to see it. I agree it is a masterpiece.


I've never wanted to watch it, partly because of the scene with the eyes (can't be doing with it) but mainly because I just don't like Kubrick!

Talking of Malcom McDowell, the film Caligula should be re-visited. On researching I note there is a 173 minute 'ultimate cut' that premiered at the Cannes film festival last year that includes entirely new footage that was not included in the original theatrical release. I've only seen the original to date and nearly everyone involved distanced themselves from it. It's nowhere near as bad as it's reputation though. Even the 'porn heavy' version had a lot going for it as a portrayal of the Roman Empire at a very strange time. It always seems a lot more real than the usual costume dramas. McDowell would easily have won the oscar that year if it hadn't effectively been blacklisted.





I agree about Caligula - it is/was very underrated - have been fascinated with this film ever since I first saw it in its original UK cinema release back in the day, and I now own several cuts/versions of it. The sets and styling, and cinematography of Tinto Brass are top notch IMO... not to mention the stellar cast. Hopefully this new extended cut will see the light of day on Blu-ray at some point.

And yes it usually gets included on lists of the worst movies of all time... mostly because the compilers of such lists assume it must be bad because it turns up on other similar lists... instead of actually watching stuff objectively and forming their own opinions.

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