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Topic: Old Movies That Will Be Popular In The Future?
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Subject: Old Movies That Will Be Popular In The Future?
Date Posted: February 03 2024 at 13:45
Are there any old movies you have seen that weren't popular, but movies you believe will be much more popular (for whatever reason - which is another interesting sub-question).

If I had to pick one, it would be "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"... Where people are the ultimate spectacle. Maybe some will hear of this when Fonda passes away, or someone with enough popularity to mention it and compare it to the modern world. It's a movie that predates "Network", which is popular, so the possible association might help.




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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: February 03 2024 at 14:01
^^Good choice.

After recently rewatching the original Rollerball (1975) in some ways it was very perceptive about how world society might look in 2018... I first saw it on first release and wasn't overly impressed, but now 2018 is long since passed, it makes for an interesting 'what might have been' scenario. Surprisingly some aspects of it still look futuristic, tho some of the technology (e.g. punched cards and cassette tape) are somewhat dated.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 03 2024 at 22:54
It's easy to go for sci-fi moves that seem to have some scary truth about them. Soylent Green always crops up in my head, not sure though how popular it was at the time. Charton Heston seemed to be in these type of films! Also Kevin Costner's Waterworld is an obvious one and that totally bombed when it came out. Rising sea levels will make it more true as time goes on. Blade runner also tanked at the box office on release but has gradually become more important over time although partly because of the directors cut.
Outside of sci-fi it's hard for me to think of any.


Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: February 03 2024 at 23:06
The Animated version of Orwells 'Animal Farm'

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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 02:05
Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Animated version of Orwells 'Animal Farm'


I have recently re-watched this after spending a long time tracking it down on DVD, and it still packs a very powerful punch.

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 03:51
Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Animated version of Orwells 'Animal Farm'

Good choice. 

-“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”


-“ You do not imagine, I hope, that we pigs are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in taking these things is to preserve our health. Milk and apples (this has been proved by Science, comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary to the well-being of a pig. We pigs are brainworkers. The whole management and organization of this farm depend on us. Day and night we are watching over your welfare. It is for your sake that we drink the milk and eat those apples.”


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 06:16
So if I understand your post, you're not saying these movies need a 'Remake'. It's about the original movie having a resurgence?

They Shoot Horses is excellent (if not a little lengthy) and the final scene stunned me when I first saw it.

I loved Rollerball when it was first released and still think it is far superior to the remake.

For me...maybe A Clockwork Orange.
I know it is a cult favourite now, but back when it was released I don't think it was particularly popular.
Also, Alien Nation.


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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 06:53
Well 'Clockwork Orange' was effectively banned in the UK (by Kubrick himself) from not long after its release, until his death, so most of us UK movie fans had to wait around 30 years to see it. I agree it is a masterpiece.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 07:25
Hi,

There are many things that have stood out on the test of time. The main issue is how it is looked at and appreciated nowadays, when the audience's attention span is limited to "action" and not much else.

So, here's my small list ... with a couple of comments.

Lawrence of Arabia/David Lean -- the amazing ability to allow something to work itself on its own right before your very eyes. The long shot of the desert and eventually Omar Shariff shows up is likely one of the best known shots in film ... and we get to feel a lot of other things ... the images coming and going it seems like, the heat of the desert moving around like an ocean ... it's timeless!

8 1/2/Michelangelo Antonioni -- I never thought this was a great film, but it broke the static of a lot of films in those days, all being the same with a "story" and visuals to support it, and all of a sudden you get a film that kinda disdains the story itself ... and just flows along.

The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie/ Luis Bunuel --  An incredible fun film to watch that ends with a throw away ending kinda letting you know there is no meaning or ideas that can explain anything ... and in between the film goes through the inside of the minds of the characters. Really fun and crazy film. It's not even surrealistic, but it is a really pointed film in terms of what we think about anything. AND not the first time Luis ever did this.

Viridiana/Luis Bunuel -- Perhaps no other film EVER gave someone a huge finger and became known for its insanity when a bunch of hobos in the end, recreate the Last Supper ... the film is fun to watch, and quite crazy but it doesn't really give away its eventual touch. 

Belle du Jour/Luis Bunuel -- Not a pleasant film by any stretch of the imagination but it ended up getting everyone's attention because it made room for fetishes ... and Luis had used many of them in other films for along time ... 

Alphaville/Jean-Luc Godard -- It was supposed to be a satire of the American films and the "film noir" thing, and it ended up being one of the best known of them all. The hardest part of this is hearing the philosophy being spoken while something is being done as if the comments justified the deed, which is how a lot of tyrannical this and that do their thing ... but ... well ... this is a film!

The Road Warrior/George Miller -- Maybe it was all the antics and incredible design of so many bits and pieces, but the strength of this film and how the music in it was used, is such a butt kicker it's not funny. And the characters ... will you ever forget the gyro ... or the feral kid ... or that massive truck ... full of sand!

Roma/Federico Fellini -- It's actually a boring film until the last 20 minutes or so when you get to see the papal fashion show ... if you have never seen it, this is insane, and it is colorful and great. The other great moment is the kid taking a pee in INTERVISTA. Never did a kid give a church such an erection ... oppps ... a reason to get upset!

The Seven Samurai/Akira Kurosawa -- Ended up defining the Samurai thing in a lot of Japanese films, and in the end, the film was not exactly a story of the samurai ... it was a story of survival! Beautifully shot, with what looks like a dollar or two budget ... and still one of the great films ever made.

Deep Throat/Gerard Damiano -- One for the road ... a orn film, horribly done, with really bad film stock, and an even worse story ... ends up telling the church and everyone else to shut up ... they helped make the film even more famous and made the video players famous ... it started the video craze almost immediately, but folks still went to all the Pussycat Theaters in LA and SF.

I probably could go on for a while on this ...


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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 08:14
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

There are many things that have stood out on the test of time. The main issue is how it is looked at and appreciated nowadays, when the audience's attention span is limited to "action" and not much else.

So, here's my small list ... with a couple of comments.

Lawrence of Arabia/David Lean -- the amazing ability to allow something to work itself on its own right before your very eyes. The long shot of the desert and eventually Omar Shariff shows up is likely one of the best known shots in film ... and we get to feel a lot of other things ... the images coming and going it seems like, the heat of the desert moving around like an ocean ... it's timeless!

8 1/2/Michelangelo Antonioni -- I never thought this was a great film, but it broke the static of a lot of films in those days, all being the same with a "story" and visuals to support it, and all of a sudden you get a film that kinda disdains the story itself ... and just flows along.

The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie/ Luis Bunuel --  An incredible fun film to watch that ends with a throw away ending kinda letting you know there is no meaning or ideas that can explain anything ... and in between the film goes through the inside of the minds of the characters. Really fun and crazy film. It's not even surrealistic, but it is a really pointed film in terms of what we think about anything. AND not the first time Luis ever did this.

Viridiana/Luis Bunuel -- Perhaps no other film EVER gave someone a huge finger and became known for its insanity when a bunch of hobos in the end, recreate the Last Supper ... the film is fun to watch, and quite crazy but it doesn't really give away its eventual touch. 

Belle du Jour/Luis Bunuel -- Not a pleasant film by any stretch of the imagination but it ended up getting everyone's attention because it made room for fetishes ... and Luis had used many of them in other films for along time ... 

Alphaville/Jean-Luc Godard -- It was supposed to be a satire of the American films and the "film noir" thing, and it ended up being one of the best known of them all. The hardest part of this is hearing the philosophy being spoken while something is being done as if the comments justified the deed, which is how a lot of tyrannical this and that do their thing ... but ... well ... this is a film!

The Road Warrior/George Miller -- Maybe it was all the antics and incredible design of so many bits and pieces, but the strength of this film and how the music in it was used, is such a butt kicker it's not funny. And the characters ... will you ever forget the gyro ... or the feral kid ... or that massive truck ... full of sand!

Roma/Federico Fellini -- It's actually a boring film until the last 20 minutes or so when you get to see the papal fashion show ... if you have never seen it, this is insane, and it is colorful and great. The other great moment is the kid taking a pee in INTERVISTA. Never did a kid give a church such an erection ... oppps ... a reason to get upset!

The Seven Samurai/Akira Kurosawa -- Ended up defining the Samurai thing in a lot of Japanese films, and in the end, the film was not exactly a story of the samurai ... it was a story of survival! Beautifully shot, with what looks like a dollar or two budget ... and still one of the great films ever made.

Deep Throat/Gerard Damiano -- One for the road ... a orn film, horribly done, with really bad film stock, and an even worse story ... ends up telling the church and everyone else to shut up ... they helped make the film even more famous and made the video players famous ... it started the video craze almost immediately, but folks still went to all the Pussycat Theaters in LA and SF.

I probably could go on for a while on this ...


These movies are popular, though. Especially on the film message boards online. All the movies you have mentioned are on many Top 10's of many members, and highly respected. And the average age is about 25. 

I'm asking which great, but unpopular movies do you see becoming popular in the future. "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" might have had Jane Fonda, but "La tout va bien" seems to be more popular, and it's a French movie with an American actress! Of course, going to Vietnam might have hurt her temporarily, but as soon as the coast was clear, I would have thought all her fans (or self-described feminists) would have seen it, especially since it's free on YouTube, where is where I seem to find good movies I haven't seen before, and maybe Turner Classic Movies (usually imports, but they got rid of the best thing they had - Underground - low-budget, obscure, foreign, independent)


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 08:46
Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

These movies are popular, though. Especially on the film message boards online. All the movies you have mentioned are on many Top 10's of many members, and highly respected. And the average age is about 25. 

I'm asking which great, but unpopular movies do you see becoming popular in the future.

What you ask is of no value, cause you're not an ARTIST and PROGRESSIVE. And also you haven't probably been writing movie reviews for 45+ years. You have to have at least 450 movie reviews, as unprecedentedly superb as that forumer's. What you have to do is to attain that criteria and then your views/threads/posts might be evaluated by that beyond amazing forumer. Though when you meet that criteria, that forumer will still surpass you. So, I wouldn't recommend you to expect anything appreciative from that uniquely grand being.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 09:02
As cloning becomes more and more common (including concerns about cloning people for organs and using humans cells to make meat products), Parts: the Clonus Horror (1979). On the other hanbd, cloning movies and novels have been popular for a long time and that one is not well-resapected because people find it bad (it had a big emotional impace on me, but it's no Never Let Me Go, the book especially).

Not sure how respected Boris Karloff, The Mask of Fu Manchu (1932) is but many people would pan it for having European acts play East Asian roles. There has been push-back against this, especially as one finds people being okay with non-white people playing white roles. I am not condoning this especially as it plays to terrible stereotypes, but I know there is pushback especially amongst the alt- right leaning people. Ones who would like to see a return to the good old days of blackface/ yellowface/brownface, accepted implicit and even explicit racial superiority and slavery. On the other hand, I think such people would more likely be watching certain more modern screwball comedies with, perhaps, a country-western soundtrack and a pick-up truck race than that (something kind of like the Dukes of Hazard). Apologies for any stereotyping.


Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 09:20
I don't think I could make such a good guess...

Whilst, 

I think The Navigator: A Medieval Odyssey (1988) and Nirvana (1997) are both overlooked masterpieces. Perhaps they could garner a wider audience in time, who knows...


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 09:27
Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Are there any old movies you have seen that weren't popular, but movies you believe will be much more popular (for whatever reason - which is another interesting sub-question).

If I had to pick one, it would be "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"...

They Shoot Horses, Don't They? is not a good exemple though, since this film was quite popular on release:
Originally posted by <font color='#0000FF'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Shoot_Horses,_Dont_They%3F_%28film%29 rel=nofollow</font> - Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Shoot_Horses,_Dont_They%3F_%28film%29 rel=nofollow - Wiki wrote:

]
The film became a critical and commercial success, grossing $12.6 million on a budget of $4.86 million, becoming the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_in_film" rel="nofollow - seventeenth highest-grossing film of 1969 .

There have been films that were unpopular on release but who received their "popular" recognition later (e.g. Citizen Kane), but to say that the film has really become popular (outside the film buff circles) might be a bit exagerated.
Apart from that, I don't have a crystal ball...



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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 09:37
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

These movies are popular, though. Especially on the film message boards online. All the movies you have mentioned are on many Top 10's of many members, and highly respected. And the average age is about 25. 

I'm asking which great, but unpopular movies do you see becoming popular in the future.

What you ask is of no value, cause you're not an ARTIST and PROGRESSIVE. And also you haven't probably been writing movie reviews for 45+ years. You have to have at least 450 movie reviews, as unprecedentedly superb as that forumer's. What you have to do is to attain that criteria and then your views/threads/posts might be evaluated by that beyond amazing forumer. Though when you meet that criteria, that forumer will still surpass you. So, I wouldn't recommend you to expect anything appreciative from that uniquely grand being.


How would YOU know? You suck dick on drums.


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 09:46
^ Lol. I've been taken seriously. LOL That was an offensive humour towards (or a parody of) the forumer you had quoted.

Your satirical comedy taste should surely suck. Clown


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 09:59
I hate coming ian as a mod. Please stop these antics. That "sucks..." is over the top in term of crudity and please if a member is such a problem to you, just ignore or report or report and ignore. Gripes/sour grapes on message boards often are silly and personal attacks are not permitted by the guidelines.

a reminder of the guidelines:

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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 10:16
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Are there any old movies you have seen that weren't popular, but movies you believe will be much more popular (for whatever reason - which is another interesting sub-question).

If I had to pick one, it would be "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"...

They Shoot Horses, Don't They? is not a good exemple though, since this film was quite popular on release:
Originally posted by <font color='#0000FF'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Shoot_Horses,_Dont_They%3F_%28film%29 rel=nofollow</font> - Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Shoot_Horses,_Dont_They%3F_%28film%29 rel=nofollow - Wiki wrote:

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The film became a critical and commercial success, grossing $12.6 million on a budget of $4.86 million, becoming the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_in_film" rel="nofollow - seventeenth highest-grossing film of 1969 .

There have been films that were unpopular on release but who received their "popular" recognition later (e.g. Citizen Kane), but to say that the film has really become popular (outside the film buff circles) might be a bit exagerated.
Apart from that, I don't have a crystal ball...



I just looked this up, and the 16th highest grossing movie that year, but I think it's one that can be more popular than it is currently (online and in "real life") because of the internet age and a new economy (the gig economy) that's similar, except using different forms, although I could see events like this in the future... maybe a result of a rich or powerful guy who sees the movie and tries it out?

"Network" on the other hand would be a bad example because aside from its critical success, people still talk about that movie a lot today. I guess it's like having a hit single ("so they buy the album"), with the catch-phrase "I'm Mad As Hell, And I'm Not Going To Take It Anymore!" which is usually the first thing people say when you mention this movie to them.


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: February 04 2024 at 10:22
@Logan

Perhaps I didn't get the joke there. Does "You suck dick on drums." come to mean a wild guess someone cannot know about? Like one says to another, "You're a terrible soccer player." without adequate knowledge?

Yet, I think "You suck on drums." would be a more "polite" way of saying that?

I hate to remain on this, whilst couldn't really grasp which "suck(s)" was against the guidelines according to you (the rules); or both?

Anyways. Sorry for that unpleasant communication. (It was actually a miscommunication, yet my post caused it regardless.)


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 08 2024 at 20:19
Hi,

I'm not sure that the original question can be answered properly ... times change, and all of a sudden, what made something important in 1970, is totally and completely incomprehensible in 2020. Not to mention that a lot of posters will ignore the history behind it, and the litter that the film, or whatever part of it, created.

In the 50's and 60's in Europe, the Vatican had a big mouth and they made a lot of films much more famous than they probably would have been without a word being said ... and of course, the same religious group ended up making DT one of the most famous films ... not only was it selling at the theater ... everyone went to see it with a funny hat on ... but it helped start the video craze ... all of a sudden video recorders and videos were available ... and guess what sold the most? 

Compare that to nowadays, when the media exposure is about the quantity of money they have invested in the film, and you know that whatever is ... this or that ... will be ignored in favor of some "action" or some other far out this or that that makes it pink, and better than a cartoon!

But a lot of films, are remembered time and time again ... and the only issue I have with it is that the ability to SAVE and make these things available is diminishing, even as some films that should have been available, are still controlled, and expensive.

A lot of things I like ... 

Orson Welles's Chimes at Midnight ... is continually dismissed because of a stuck up Shakespearean bunch of idiots that can not fathom a world that is not as pretty, clean, and romantic as their notion is of the bard and its characters. Never mind that "The Globe" didn't even have enough latrines for its public ... specially as those might have been specially saved for the upper class!

Luis Bunuel, made a lot of fun of the religious orders ... they say something about graven images, and continuously stand by them and pretend that those images are the real representative of the whole ... idea! For this, he created many stories that upset the clergy, even though a Dominican Friar and close friend to Luis always said ... he just challenges your ideas and beliefs! So in one film you get a picture of Jesus laughing. In another you see the greatest array of foul mouth terms, to someone in atop a pillar. And then, you get a supper. And if that is not enough, you get a group in a later film setting up explosives under his name! ... best we ignore all that non-sense, right?

There are some films in American History, that I think deserve some more attention ... and at times, I think they were vilified for the wrong thing. "The Wild Bunch" is a very interesting film, and no doubt one of the most incredible spectacle ... but we continuously dislike the end of the film ... which was almost the same thing as the start of the film ... kids playing and killing scorpions with sticks and fire! Guess what the adults did in the end? The irony and accusing finger ... becomes a bizarre adventure that made him glorify some violence, in various directions after that film! And in my book, some of the stuff he did AFTER just was not that good, and was built around the expectation of some glorified violence, which to me, was just like the opening of the horror film and its gore ... bloodier ... and of course now it's in color and we can really see it better, like we need to!


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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 09 2024 at 05:50
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I'm not sure that the original question can be answered properly ... times change, and all of a sudden, what made something important in 1970, is totally and completely incomprehensible in 2020. Not to mention that a lot of posters will ignore the history behind it, and the litter that the film, or whatever part of it, created.

In the 50's and 60's in Europe, the Vatican had a big mouth and they made a lot of films much more famous than they probably would have been without a word being said ... and of course, the same religious group ended up making DT one of the most famous films ... not only was it selling at the theater ... everyone went to see it with a funny hat on ... but it helped start the video craze ... all of a sudden video recorders and videos were available ... and guess what sold the most? 

Compare that to nowadays, when the media exposure is about the quantity of money they have invested in the film, and you know that whatever is ... this or that ... will be ignored in favor of some "action" or some other far out this or that that makes it pink, and better than a cartoon!

But a lot of films, are remembered time and time again ... and the only issue I have with it is that the ability to SAVE and make these things available is diminishing, even as some films that should have been available, are still controlled, and expensive.

A lot of things I like ... 

Orson Welles's Chimes at Midnight ... is continually dismissed because of a stuck up Shakespearean bunch of idiots that can not fathom a world that is not as pretty, clean, and romantic as their notion is of the bard and its characters. Never mind that "The Globe" didn't even have enough latrines for its public ... specially as those might have been specially saved for the upper class!

Luis Bunuel, made a lot of fun of the religious orders ... they say something about graven images, and continuously stand by them and pretend that those images are the real representative of the whole ... idea! For this, he created many stories that upset the clergy, even though a Dominican Friar and close friend to Luis always said ... he just challenges your ideas and beliefs! So in one film you get a picture of Jesus laughing. In another you see the greatest array of foul mouth terms, to someone in atop a pillar. And then, you get a supper. And if that is not enough, you get a group in a later film setting up explosives under his name! ... best we ignore all that non-sense, right?

There are some films in American History, that I think deserve some more attention ... and at times, I think they were vilified for the wrong thing. "The Wild Bunch" is a very interesting film, and no doubt one of the most incredible spectacle ... but we continuously dislike the end of the film ... which was almost the same thing as the start of the film ... kids playing and killing scorpions with sticks and fire! Guess what the adults did in the end? The irony and accusing finger ... becomes a bizarre adventure that made him glorify some violence, in various directions after that film! And in my book, some of the stuff he did AFTER just was not that good, and was built around the expectation of some glorified violence, which to me, was just like the opening of the horror film and its gore ... bloodier ... and of course now it's in color and we can really see it better, like we need to!


Of course know one knows.. I'm just asking for educated guesses.

Speaking of "The Wild Bunch", it seems to be a poorer movie, influenced by "The Professionals". It even has Robert Ryan! It had quite the cast, fine writing, but maybe the title screwed it up with some movie with a little girl. I think that's something that has more of a factor now - titles. Maybe times I type in a movie, and they constantly give me some sh*tty re-make, or the most recent movie, which is never what I'm looking for.


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Posted By: Tuqueakin
Date Posted: February 09 2024 at 09:10
I think that "Gone with the Wind" has that epic quality that could definitely draw new audiences in. It's like a cinematic time capsule waiting to be rediscovered! And "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" sounds like a real hidden gem. I stumbled upon it a while back, and its portrayal of human endurance in the face of adversity is both haunting and thought-provoking. It's fascinating how certain films gain relevance with time, especially when they resonate with contemporary issues. Exploring the https://wealthofgeeks.com/movies-out-now/" rel="nofollow - movies in theater right now might unearth more cinematic treasures waiting to be appreciated!


Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: February 09 2024 at 09:10
^'Gone With the Wind' is fantastic, I love that movie

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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: February 09 2024 at 09:19
All films/shorts made by these two gentlemen. Smile

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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 09 2024 at 11:41
Quote All films/shorts made by these two gentlemen. Smile
I gotta admit. I was never a huge fan of the Blues Brothers.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 09 2024 at 23:39
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Well 'Clockwork Orange' was effectively banned in the UK (by Kubrick himself) from not long after it's release, until his death, so most of us UK movie fans had to wait around 30 years to see it. I agree it is a masterpiece.

I've never wanted to watch it, partly because of the scene with the eyes (can't be doing with it) but mainly because I just don't like Kubrick!

Talking of Malcom McDowell, the film Caligula should be re-visited. On researching I note there is a 173 minute 'ultimate cut' that premiered at the Cannes film festival last year that includes entirely new footage that was not included in the original theatrical release. I've only seen the original to date and nearly everyone involved distanced themselves from it. It's nowhere near as bad as it's reputation though. Even the 'porn heavy' version had a lot going for it as a portrayal of the Roman Empire at a very strange time. It always seems a lot more real than the usual costume dramas. McDowell would easily have won the oscar that year if it hadn't effectively been blacklisted.




Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: February 09 2024 at 23:52
1984, released in... 1984, based off of Orwells novel of the same name

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 10 2024 at 04:35
Hi,

Some more films I really like that I wish could get a better look.

After The Fox (Peter Sellers goes nutz)
Bedazzled (the original needs a remaster)
Performance (far out and well done. But too weird for many!)
Prospero's Books (The best Shakespeare ever!)
The City of Lost Children 
Cinema Paradiso (a good look at film history and what it had to put up with)
The Double Life of Veronique (some far out music and acting)
Walkabout (so pretty and well done, the original is better than the famous exploitation)
Carmen (Carlos Saura) (this time it is a dance film ... very neat!)
The Fencing Master (best fencing film ever and really well done)
Being There (crazy ... so well done, and PS was magnificent)
The Fisher King (excellent, and it included an Oscar!)
Visions of Light (the film about cinematographers that film lovers don't want to see!)

Happy Hunting ... 


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 00:48
Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 01:23
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.

"Stink" is a harsh word. 
Diamonds was not so good for me. 
The Bond movies were total escapism, not meant to be taken seriously. LOL For me, they began to stink when they made them serious. They also began to stink when the writers began to follow the trends of the time.

The Roger Moore Bonds are campy, a couple to the point of becoming ridiculous, but Roger is fun to watch for sure. 


Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 06:43
Maybe this will be the "Network" (it's much more popular than "Ace in the Hole" or "A Face In The Crowd") of loneliness? Vinyl is hot now, and if radio ever becomes hot, someone might check out and like Andy Griffith's character in that movie.

The Doll (1962)




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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 17:34
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.

"Stink" is a harsh word. 
Diamonds was not so good for me. 
The Bond movies were total escapism, not meant to be taken seriously. LOL For me, they began to stink when they made them serious. They also began to stink when the writers began to follow the trends of the time.

The Roger Moore Bonds are campy, a couple to the point of becoming ridiculous, but Roger is fun to watch for sure. 

Yep 'campy' is spot on. I love Moonraker and will happily watch that and The Spy Who Loved Me as a double bill featuring villian (later turned hero, sorry spoilers!) Jaws played by the wonderful Richard Kiel. It did well at the box office grossing $210 million according to wiki on the back of a cost of 'only' $34 million, although that was expensive for a film in those days! (Heaven's Gate was still round the corner)
Goldfinger will always be the best Bond for me with maybe Casino Royale (Daniel Craig's version not the spoof version!) challenging it amongst the more modern Bond films. Pierce Brosnan's are the ones I would probably not bother with at all now. 



Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 18:13
^ I went to see Moonraker in a theater when I was about thirteen.   I liked it.   Can't watch it now, it is truly horrible.

No, for me the more serious the Bonds were the better...except for the Tim Dalton era which was just fetid.



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Posted By: Fercandio46
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 23:14
Going back to the original premise that gave rise to the debate...there are some films that really questioned the system and paradoxically, despite going unnoticed, they had well-known actors. One sees Such good friends, by Otto Preminger because not only is Dyan Cannon there but also James Coco, Burgess Meredith and Jennifer O'Neil. Treating a very very serious topic with the balm of comedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbIziE1-sWI


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 26 2024 at 08:54
Hi,

Film history has a lot of stuff that simply won't die, though it is hard to not feel bad for so much radio stuff from the 1930's on ... and specially a big applause to Orson Welles, that got so many folks scared that the FCC immediately created 10 commandments for radio ... and these are still there! Listening to it, reminds me of the first films that scared people ... stories of people running out of the theater as the train is coming your way, and that gun is firing towards you ... a reality that film created that is still "alive" today through cleverness.

If you want to see how some things are remembered, go catch VISIONS OF LIGHT which is about cinematographers, and how they did what they did, and how they "made" some directors bit time. And when you see it, there will be bits that you see that ... I've seen that ... but didn't realize ... and the beauty of it all is what makes film great not the "action" crap of over rated cartoon films. There are things that will stun you ... if you have the courage to see it ... Roman Polanski alone had 3 huge moments ... in his vampire satire, the heroes enter a ball room and there are mirrors all around ... and all the vampires stop dancing to look at him and his girlfriend and only then do we see nothing in the mirrors behind him. Later in another film there is a hidden bed behind the door at the end, that GOT EVERYONE in the theater to move their heads to try and see what was behind it ... IN A THEATER. And later his use of a handheld camera that gave us a lot of the Asian film later in Kar-Way and others ... Tess's rape is by the camera ... a moment that in the end, kinda defines the new role of the camera as YOU! And I'm not sure many of us would bother with Bertolucci without Storaro but my saying anything won't matter if you don't know the films ... and their reason for being remembered ... and it wasn't the fame or the fan stuff. You'll never forget that kid in Intervista at the start. But few folks will bother to go see it ... not enough cartoon action for the majority of folks, I guess!


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 26 2024 at 10:44
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Been reviewing the Connery Bonds and I have to say other than Dr. No, Goldfinger and Diamonds, they kinda stink.   And the Roger Moore's are even worse.

"Stink" is a harsh word. 
Diamonds was not so good for me. 
The Bond movies were total escapism, not meant to be taken seriously. LOL For me, they began to stink when they made them serious. They also began to stink when the writers began to follow the trends of the time.

The Roger Moore Bonds are campy, a couple to the point of becoming ridiculous, but Roger is fun to watch for sure. 
It all started to get a bit silly when James Bond (Pearce Brosnan) rode a tsunami wave with nothing but a surf board, a parachute and bad special effects. Tongue



Posted By: MitchwithDasticks
Date Posted: October 06 2024 at 12:29
USA "Up all night" skin flicks
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 08 2024 at 13:20
Hi,

Some of the films I'm trying to review ... and they all fit in ... sort of ... a bunch of old stuff ... older maybe than what we are used to catching up with ... but they are about the only things I can catch and review these days ... since all the others are too spendy for me to watch ...

Beowulf and Grendel ... Sturla Gunnarsson's take on the story

Happy People ... Werner Herzog's documentary about a bunch of folks way out in the frozen spaces

Heart of Darkness ... Nicolas Roeg takes on the famous story

House of Gucci --- Ridley Scott directed and nice but a film that didn't click with me

I am Damo ... I reviewed the special on it and liked it ... this is basically the same thing. Wonderful story!!!

Incognito ... Crime thriller with Jason Patrick and Irene Jacob

Ithaca ... film directed by Meg Ryan

Kesari ... Hindu film

Kieu ... Vietnamese film

Padmaavat ... Hindu film

Picasso ... a massive documentary on Amazon which is far out and incredible ... not listed anywhere as a "film". Lots of old footage. Very far out.

Queen of the Desert ... Werner Herzog's film about a British woman that ran around the whole of the Sahara Desert ... and is known to have been instrumental in helping a lot of the Arab countries to come together and to be.

Rainy Day ... Woody Allen ... really did not get a good "take" on this for a review ... yet!

Safe Heaven ... Lasse Hallstrom film with Josh Duhamel

Sense and Sensibility -- Ang Lee's film ... when I get over who's gonna cry next I may review it!

Sweet Bird of Youth ... Nicolas Roeg does Tennessee Williams with Elizabeth Taylor ... bad combination in my book ... she doesn't fit Tennessee Williams, but can do a Martha because she can finally not give a damn and swear at Richard! (Edward Albee)

The Devil's Violin ... Film about Paganini

The Innocent ... Luchino Visconti's film with Giancarlo Giannini

The Revenant ... Alejandro Inarritu's film with Leonard CiCaprio ... awesome music by Mogwai

Total Eclipse ... Agnieszka Holland's film about Rimbaud and Verlaine

Vincent & Theo ... Robert Altman ... interesting juxtaposition to a more modern story.

And, of course, a film on Guy Guden by Robert Altman is STILL not in the cards! Wink LOL Clap






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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 07:27
'The Night Porter' (1974) starring Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling - it was acclaimed back in the day, but IMO was never really appreciated as much as it deserves to be... I still believe its time will come. I saw it on initial release at the cinema, and have recently re-watched it on Blu-ray. It still packs a powerful punch.

From IMDb:
"Thirteen years after World War II, concentration camp survivor Lucia (Charlotte Rampling) and her tormentor Max (Sir Dirk Bogarde), currently the night porter at a Vienna hotel, meet again and fall back into their sado-masochistic relationship. "

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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 07:36
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Well 'Clockwork Orange' was effectively banned in the UK (by Kubrick himself) from not long after it's release, until his death, so most of us UK movie fans had to wait around 30 years to see it. I agree it is a masterpiece.


I've never wanted to watch it, partly because of the scene with the eyes (can't be doing with it) but mainly because I just don't like Kubrick!

Talking of Malcom McDowell, the film Caligula should be re-visited. On researching I note there is a 173 minute 'ultimate cut' that premiered at the Cannes film festival last year that includes entirely new footage that was not included in the original theatrical release. I've only seen the original to date and nearly everyone involved distanced themselves from it. It's nowhere near as bad as it's reputation though. Even the 'porn heavy' version had a lot going for it as a portrayal of the Roman Empire at a very strange time. It always seems a lot more real than the usual costume dramas. McDowell would easily have won the oscar that year if it hadn't effectively been blacklisted.





I agree about Caligula - it is/was very underrated - have been fascinated with this film ever since I first saw it in its original UK cinema release back in the day, and I now own several cuts/versions of it. The sets and styling, and cinematography of Tinto Brass are top notch IMO... not to mention the stellar cast. Hopefully this new extended cut will see the light of day on Blu-ray at some point.

And yes it usually gets included on lists of the worst movies of all time... mostly because the compilers of such lists assume it must be bad because it turns up on other similar lists... instead of actually watching stuff objectively and forming their own opinions.

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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: October 10 2024 at 18:13
Probably Hitchcock films like “Dial M for Murder”. He REALLY knew how to build suspense.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 11 2024 at 19:03
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Probably Hitchcock films like “Dial M for Murder”. He REALLY knew how to build suspense.

Hi,

The weird thing about this, and a lot of Hitchcock material, was that he had it all defined and written before shooting, making him one of the .... probably ... easiest directors to work on and with, and I think his knowing what he wanted and sticking with it, helped make his films better. You don't get that feeling that the story or the film is open to ideas and suggestions as they show up during the making of it.

For Hollywood tastes and styles, this is perfect college/uni material ... tightly written and put together. Nothing in it feels lost or wasted. I think, and have to check again (haven't seen a Hitchcock film in 40 years!!!), to see his sequencing in the film ... I always thought it was tight. And probably one of the hardest things to teach a writer to do ... as the mind likes to take a lot of twists and turns ... which in a film like Hitchcock's would not help.

But one nice thing ... Hollywood always "hints" of things earlier in a lot of films, when they look innocent enough ... and in Hitchcock films there rarely is a "hint" ... which I think makes his suspense better ... and a lot of horror films still have not learned that!


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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 12 2024 at 02:59
Hitchcock's modus operandi was: a bomb under a table that explodes is a shock, but a bomb under a table that doesn't explode is suspense... and of course no-one has ever done suspense better than Hitchcock.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 12 2024 at 12:15
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Hitchcock's modus operandi was: a bomb under a table that explodes is a shock, but a bomb under a table that doesn't explode is suspense... and of course no-one has ever done suspense better than Hitchcock.

Hi,

Exactly ... however, sometimes not giving it away helps ... and within the shot you might see the bomb ... of course, but that would not, necessarily, be a hint, though it could ... but again, if it doesn't go off, the whole time the suspense is increasing ... what about that bomb?


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