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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

 Also, I will take Kansas City BBQ over a French croissant any day of the week.
Hell yeah! Jack Stack, Joe's, Q39, or Gates?
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Originally posted by AJ Junior AJ Junior wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

'The Final Cut is a better album than 'The Wall'.

I think just the song "Comfortably Numb" is better than the whole Final Cut album.
The Wall 1 is better than TFC.
Hey You is also better than anything on TFC. 
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Not sure how unpopular this is, but Heavy Horses > Songs from the Wood
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I love SFTW (my favorite Tull album), Heavy Horses and Stormwatch, but I disagree HH is better than Songs. Still, all three are essential. Clap
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Just because they use vintage instruments doesn't mean Wobbler is that amazing (they're alright).
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I'm glad somebody else thinks this, too.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Not sure how unpopular this is, but Heavy Horses > Songs from the Wood

I agree. Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zappastolethetowels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2023 at 15:52
Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 
Let's not start with this Big this and big that, it does not help anyone with anything. 


Cristi, The thread was about Hot Takes. Not one thing was said "except for not to be included." That's my hot take. Don't care what you think should be posted in a thread.


I wasn't tell you what to post and what not to, just that a big 6 conversation on this thread is not a good idea (not a good idea in general if you ask me, but anyway...). 


It's a thread about "Hot Takes." In general a thread on such a subject might not be a good idea. One member called Rush "trite" and "uninspired" when they attempted to play Prog. That's a take that could get the hackles up on big Rush fan. I disagree with the take as I think Rush's best stuff was when they went all out Prog. So be it. That's his take.

I could have said Neil Peart is overrated as a drummer, David Gilmour is not much more than an average guitarist who gets rated highly because he has a decent melodic sense and good tone and that any rock guitarist who is said to be the greatest would purely on technical ability get dusted by a third year classical guitar student at say Juliard or Peabody.
I think Logan summarized the intent of such a thread up top to a valid degree. Based on your responses to Cristi, you appear to dislike the topic only when somebody starts to dust your band. I don't care if Rush hackles go over, under, sideways, or down because I stand by my opinion that Rush (up to Caress or FBN, whatever it was) did trite and uninspired 'prog'. What many consider their "classic period" sounds nothing different to me than what was to become prog metal (by numbers). Someone mentioned earlier I exaggerated the sameness of latter day metal, and that's prob true, but I left that genre after hearing enough of those same records in the first place LOL
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Of the classic ELP albums (those first 5) Trilogy is the worst
Well now you're just being nasty ! Angry
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

No Genesis albums are needed after Lamb.
No Yes albums are needed after Drama
Jethro Tull did only 6 great albums (Aqualung, TAAB, APP, Minstrel, SFTW, HH)
Hawkwind's, King Crimson's & Henry Cow's best albums are all live albums.


I agree with you on Tull completely.
Yes albums after drama are GOOD, some really good, but not really essential listening for a new prog fan. (Except for maybe 90125, it'd make a good entry point into the genre)
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Stopping with Heavy Horses means you miss out on Stormwatch, A and The Broadsword and the BeastConfused(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'82d641851e0b29f6',t:'MTcwMTIxMjcyOS4yNTEwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
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I'll give y'all a hot take:(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'82d643228a767d4e',t:'MTcwMTIxMjc5NS4zODQwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">

David Gilmour's self-titled is the best solo album from a Floyd alum.
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If you want another hot take: regardless of the viability and effectiveness of a "big 6" or whatever, Rush don't belong anywhere near a top 10 list of great prog bands (unless you're judging popularity). Without Rush, there would be no Dream Theater, Tool, Transatlantic, Spocks B, Pain of S, and all the like.

Also...
contemporary prog (your Opeths, Flower Kings, Wobblers, and Steven Wilsons) is no renaissance! Sorry folks...


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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Of the classic ELP albums (those first 5) Trilogy is the worst
Well now you're just being nasty ! Angry

LOL

Tarkus and Trilogy are my favorite ELP albums. is that a hot take? 
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Regarding 2 of my favorite artists....

Tull were a heavy folk-rock band with a prog period in between.
Zappa was the most unique artist of all in bringing an influx of styles and blending them with rock! True genius!
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The 1990's was the best YES era. Wacko
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Zappa was the most unique artist of all in bringing an influx of styles and blending them with rock! True genius!

Totally agree here and definitely not a hot take. 
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Prog spelled backwards is Gorp, and that is seriously close to the sound people make when I play them Univers Zero's Heresie.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zappastolethetowels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:20
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Of the classic ELP albums (those first 5) Trilogy is the worst
Well now you're just being nasty ! Angry

LOL

Tarkus and Trilogy are my favorite ELP albums. is that a hot take? 

Not at all
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frets N Worries Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:24
Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Of the classic ELP albums (those first 5) Trilogy is the worst
Well now you're just being nasty ! Angry


LOL

Tarkus and Trilogy are my favorite ELP albums. is that a hot take? 


Not at all


Of the first 5, my list goes

Brain Salad Surgery
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Tarkus
Pictures at an Exhibition
Trilogy
The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:25
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Prog spelled backwards is Gorp, and that is seriously close to the sound people make when I play them Univers Zero's Heresie.


I have liked to use the term gorp for regressive (retro, backwards) Prog. I once tried to burp but could only manage a gorp.
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

If you want another hot take: regardless of the viability and effectiveness of a "big 6" or whatever, Rush don't belong anywhere near a top 10 list of great prog bands (unless you're judging popularity). Without Rush, there would be no Dream Theater, Tool, Transatlantic, Spocks B, Pain of S, and all the like.

I discovered Rush rather late, I didn't know much about their popularity, I just enjoyed the music. 

Tool and Pain of Salvation are not influenced by Rush, King crimson is the prog band that was a big influence on Tool. 

Early Pain of Salvation albums were described back in the day as a mix of Yes and Faith No More, which was more or less true. 

Dream Theater, Spock's Beard and the TFK sound have influences beyond Rush, so I think these musicians would have played some kind of progressive rock anyway. 
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