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    Posted: September 13 2023 at 09:11
Rank them if you can

(in order)

Vittorio De Sica
John Cassavetes
Luchino Visconti
Ingmar Bergman
John Huston
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Hi,

Just like the lot of music I listen to, as I get older, the ability to choose a "favorite" is more and more difficult and the desire to state it, gets lost in the translation.

I suppose that I could tell you that if I chose one, it would be Terry Gilliam, and the main reason for it? We have the same birthday (Nov 22nd) and his sentiments are so much like my own, with the movielike imagination, and cartoon imagery all day long (if you will!) ... so it could be said that "I get it" regardless of what he does ... and in the end, I find the La Mancha film very sad ... because he is Don Quixote ... the man whose dream can not be filmed because it is so far out there that no one can relate to it ... and I can see this ... I write from a "dream-like" state and the funny/weird thing to it all is that the next night, the story continues as if it had a mind of its own, which I like to say it does ... and I never worry about what it means ... it's more important to "see the movie" and "appreciate it" than it is to find that it means something ... its meanings are all an illusion anyway, regardless of how we try to define it all, and see if we can find a "reason" for anything, which we do all the time!

But all in all, there are many directors that have stood out in my mind ... and here are some.

Jean-Luc Godard, for being the craziest loon with a camera in his hand. The ultimate kid just turning the camera on, and putting anything together that comes out, and the creativity and fun found in those films is insane, and so "unlike" film ... that most folks can't handle watching them! It is 100% "anti-film".

Nicolas Roeg, specially in the early days, starting with "Performance" and going all great for about 10 years, until the stories kinda fizzled out beyond "Bad Timing/A Sensual Obsession" which is a fabulous film, but scares many folks ... as it comes off weird, specially in the ending.

Luis Bunuel, for being one of the most original of all film makers in his time, and making sure that things were well written and filmed with a certain care that is hard to explain, but makes sense when you see it on the screen. It has been said that many of his films in the 20th century were just like paintings for hundreds of years, and it is hard to not agree or think so when he ends up using so many dramatic images from these paintings ... and the appreciation he has to UNDERSTAND what so much art is all about ... it isn't even surrealism ... it's just the human nature.

Peter Greenaway, one of the most bizarre of all directors, but also the one that has the guts to do something that most won't dare. His thing on the Mozart film is totally insane, but the choreography and bizarre "story" is something that you would love to see in a theater ... even though in this case the nudity is offending to some, but the whole thing is not sexual ... it is extremely symbolic and clean ... and if that is not enough you get a film with a PIP that could be said to be the character's mind, which to us viewers is distracting and scary at the same time ... we don't even know why sometimes as we get confused right the first time we see it. And then, if this is not enough, a version of Shakespeare that is out of this world, with Sir John Gielgud making a few simple lines shine so beautifully, that you wonder why you never bothered to go read that play ... I'll tell you why ... the movie is better than the reading of the play and it has all the visuals! And if that is not enough ... the wife having her lover and then offering him to her husband ... try the (cooked!) cokk ... it's a delicacy ... and a crazy film, just got crazier!

Werner Herzog ... the visuals and the way the music was used ... is something that most film makers never learn ... and it all ends up bad in follow ups ... similar to what happened to the Blade Runner films. But I like a comment that was made ... Werner comes over and wants music for a film, and I have plenty of tapes in the closet ... Werner grabs two or three of them and leaves ... and next week comes in and says ... I got a new film with the music you gave me!

I guess you could say that "insanity" drives me, just like it did don Quixote, even with seeing the original in Chicago in 1968 (I think!!!) with Richard Kiley ... the same night we got to see "East Meets West" (Menuhin and Shankar) ... and we got to see fat old made up ladies leaving the theater ... "how can anyone call all that improvisation music?" ... 

So much of this stuff still makes me cry ... and laugh ... I'm not sure we could ask for more!

It's not about the "meanings, I don't think ... it's the images ... that make it all special!


Edited by moshkito - September 13 2023 at 10:26
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^ I like Terry Gilliam a lot as well

Recently Denis Villeneuve gets massive love from me for not ruining Blade Runner, and that could easily have happened , not to mention he has also done Arrival, Sicario and Dune. Not bad.

Most of my names would be the obvious ones so I don't know if it's even worth a list.


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In no particular order:

Chris Marker
Johan van der Keuken
Jean Vigo
Jřrgen Leth
Béla Tarr
Carl Theodor Dreyer
Artavazd Pelechian
Otar Iosseliani
Santiago Alvarez
Norman McLaren
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Christopher Nolan
Peter Wier
Frank Derabound
Peter Jackson
John Hughes
Ridley Scott
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Martin Scorsese
The Coen Brothers
Ingmar Bergman
Clint Eastwood
Stanley Kubrick

in no particular order
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Dario Argento
Kathryn Bigelow
John Carpenter
Francis Ford Coppola
Wes Craven
David Cronenberg
Brian De Palma
Richard Donner
Philip Kaufman
Stanley Kubrick
Michael Mann
George Miller
Christopher Nolan
George A. Romero
Martin Scorsese
Ridley Scott
Don Siegel
Zack Snyder
Oliver Stone
James Wan
Michael Winner
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Christopher Nolan is my main favorite
The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...
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In no particular order:

Joel and Ethan Coen
Pedro Almodóvar
Ingmar Bergman
Carl Th. Dreyer
Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck
Tim Burton
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Hi,

For me, it's, again, very difficult. I even left out the person that is, for me, the most creative and experimental director of all time in theater in the 20th century and the amazing amount of work he came up with ... PETER BROOK.

It is really difficult to sit and listen to "MARAT/SADE" which most folks will state is too many words, when it is one of the most with it piece of work, and staged beautifully with the asylum members behind bars and the rich folks in the front ... and us behind them all ... !!! The lines, themselves in both the film and the stage version of the LP ... are simply magnificent and say a lot more than we really want to go through and admit.

If that is not enough, his experiments in theater brought us things like "THE MAHABHARATTA" which consisted of actors that could not even talk to each other from different places on the earth, and the presentation of it on stage is ... if you EVER get to see the film, an amazing event.

Hard to deal with, but his original "LORD OF THE FLIES" allowed kids to do a lot of things on their own, and the film ends up looking like an adult thing, but the kids were amazing to watch.

And for good measure, is a sort of documentary about his DIRECTING, done by his son, called "THE TIGHTROPE" and it is, nothing but an acting exercise, but you get to see what it takes to help an actor achieve something ... it's enchanting and lovely ... but something that many folks here will not sit through, and in every way, few realize how revolutionary and progressive that is in the definitions of theater in the 20th century and how it started doing things that were completely away from a script and what we thought theater was all about ... nothing but our emotions. All of a sudden, it is something else.

Of all of his things, the one I wish I could have seen, though you can a film,  although the story is about ... the hundreds of performances they did (Keith Mitchell at the lead), and how in each and every night the repetition portion of the script that is well known, was done totally different, and PB say in his book that he never could find two of them that felt the same! That is supreme acting and touch ... and few directors can accommodate that beauty and use it! 

It was a sad day for my imagination when he passed away a few months ago ... if anything, he was and will forever be one of my "teachers" ... and the only one that can SHOW YOU THAT THE MAGIC IS IN DOING ... not in your imagination!
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:



Frank Derabound


I assume you mean Frank Darabont, director of The Shawshank Redemption and also a major force behind the TV series The Walking Dead?


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Interesting that no one is including Tarentino, Cameron or Spielberg on their lists.

The last would get on mine for just Jaws alone.

I would also add William Friedkin for The French Connection films as well as The Exorcist.

Not to mention David Fincher, Alfred Hitchcock, David Lynch, Guillermo Del Torro and Danny Boyle!

Top man out of all those for me is Fincher. Even Alien 3 is reasonably watchable. Seven gave me nightmares and The Game was massive fun with all the twists.

I would also mention Sean Penn just for The Pledge, a very underappreciated film that really hit me. Stars Jack Nicholson as a cop who makes a big mistake and then finds his life crumble slowly away to dust as an obsession to find a killer grips him.This is impressive dark psychological stuff. 




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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:



Frank Derabound



I assume you mean Frank Darabont, director of The Shawshank Redemption and also a major force behind the TV series The Walking Dead?

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Hitch -

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Interesting that no one is including Tarentino, Cameron or Spielberg on their lists.
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Hi,

The list would be endless!

Here's my conceptual view of these 3 ... and you don't have to think it means I don't like them. They are fine in my book, but not the best.

Tarantino, while putting a lot of help into some foreign films, has spent a lot of time copying many of them. Cameron, is the biggest rip off artist of all ... and Roger Dean, for one, has never got a single cent for it ... and nowadays, World of Warcraft is not giving Roger Dean a single cent either for a character that he had created and was ripped off senseless and directly! Spielberg is the ultimate directing professor at college ... and you can learn more about directing watching his work than almost anyone else except Hitchcock and Kubrick. For me, and his actors make his work better, he's too mechanical ... and a part of the great bunch of well known folks that spend their time at USC and UCLA telling the students what film "is" ... even though they know very well that things are very different in other places in the world ... but Hollywood is what matters! You get caught with a camera in your hand and your project just got a C-.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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David Fincher, Alfred Hitchcock, David Lynch, Guillermo Del Torro and Danny Boyle!
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Guillermo is neat ... but I'm having a hard time watching some of his films, and I have not quite figured out why ... I kinda like things that are free from being tied up (so to speak) and I find his films are too tied up to something or other. But I have to watch a couple of things again, because saying this here makes it look like I did not see anything. 

There are many directors that deserve a mention ... Jane Campion, although she was way better and more to the point in the early days, instead of the great this or that now. Peter Weir did a bunch of far out and neat things ... look up one of his really early pieces ... The Plumber, or the one short about the cars in a rally/demolition thing. George Miller, also deserves some credit. Paul Cox is another far out director that has done some nifty things ... and difficult things that came off well. Zhang Yimou ... stands out for me, and so does the slew of other film makers that he brought with him in china.  Giuseppe Tornatore has put out a bunch of really nice films, and his Cinema Paradiso is a gem, as is Everybody's Fine, both with some incredible performances. Jim Sheridan is magnificent, although he gets more credit as a theater director than he does as a film director. Carlos Saura for his forays into dancing ... and a new version of Carmen (the old against the new!). Ken Russell, that did the most bios of anyone, from his early days ... is a great. Sam Peckinpah who created one of the best westerns ever, and made violence in a couple of films look like a dance on Broadway! Mike Newell is well known for his theater and film directing and really good stuff. Nikita Mikhalkov is another far out director, and has gotten himself an Oscar in his closet courtesy of his daughter. David Lean the master of long shots and visuals in film ... something that is a long lost art these days with some "action" cartoons more important for the money it makes for some. Akira Kurosawa ... not much else needs be said except that he is remembered and the names of the folks at the Japanese Studios that hated him are long forgotten. Krzysztof Kieslowski is fantastic and his Veronique is a gem and then some! Not to mention how the music is used. Derek Jarman, for his insane imagery ... Juzo Itami, for his far out and totally eccentric comedies. Federico Fellini, for his crazy antics, and above all the most important image EVER in film, that we don't like to see ... the kid at the start of INTERVISTA ... and we don't like him, because we think he is simply being a jerk ... the kid just wanted to take a pee!!!!! And .. that's Fellini in one take! Bernardo Bertolucci deserves a mention as to how he uses colors and creates images in his films ... some really nice stuff and almost all of them with outstanding music!

There you have it  ... a quick look through my spreadsheet of films I have reviewed and are posted on my website (over 600!) ... all foreign films ... and yeah, I suppose I should include Huston and Hitchcock and one or two others ... but there is so much stuff out there being ignored my friend ... just so much ... and it deserves the attention!
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I'm only a casual film watcher in truth but would accept that the whole Hollywood has reached its time and should just get out the way. There are just way too many superhero films and do we really need yet another Mission Impossible film. I was told recently that Marvel films are in decline (sales wise) and that may be the best news possible for the film industry if you prefer art over entertainment ( although they are not mutually exclusive admittedly). I don't watch enough foreign films and when I do then wonder why I don't! Of my most recent excursions, Argentina 1985 was highly enjoyable but I suspect has been hyped up a bit too much and so not seen by the right crowd. Probably The Orphanage is my favourite and sometimes described as the best Spanish language film ever, Del Torro had a hand in it as producer but didn't write or direct it.

You mention Peckinpah, noted for films with extreme violence. I do enjoy Straw Dogs and not just for Susan George getting her kit off. Apparently she had some misgivings about 'that scene' being a young actress but still decided to audition and was happy to get the role. Peckinpah and Hoffman called her in to give her the news (that she had got it) and when she entered the room then realised both were sitting in their chairs buck naked!


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Stanley Kubrick
Ridley Scott
Steven Spielberg
Martin Scorsese
Francis Ford Coppola
Michelangelo Antonioni
Werner Herzog
William Friedkin
Sidney Lumet
Peter Bogdanovich
Peter Weir
Robert Zemeckis
Roman Polański
Quentin Tarantino
Milos Forman

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^yeah that's an impressive list although I've never understood the love for Kubrick personally ( I stand alone though!)
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:



Frank Derabound



I assume you mean Frank Darabont, director of The Shawshank Redemption and also a major force behind the TV series The Walking Dead?

i also added him becouse he is one of the many big names behind Mary Shellys Frankenstein, directed by Kenneth Brannagh and produced by Coppola, i like that film more then many of the ditracters, Frank himself has slmd it. I like it very much, my dyslexia somtimes have problems wiether or not there are diphtongs in names.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^yeah that's an impressive list although I've never understood the love for Kubrick personally ( I stand alone though!)

Stanley Kubrick in my book is the current Gaspar Noe, or the bad boy that wanted to shake things up!

One can appreciate some early stuff, but it all ended with 2001, when all of a sudden he was the "master" and in the end, I think it was over blown and not that great and even the author of the book thought is was another Ken russell adaptation of his novel. In one film he let the actor go free, which he learned to do right then. In the next, Peter Sellers told him what to do, and Peter was the master improvisationalist and did 6 voices in the film, and things like various announcements were done ad lib off Peter's experiences in WW2 (see Spike Milligan books (they were in the same bunch, and Peter played drums!). Tacky, but the novel is also in that vein was Lolita that brought to the front some lines ... listen to Shelly Winters talk about her daughter getting a cavity filled ... it wasn't a dental joke just so you know and both her and James Mason are grinning! I did not like what was made of Clockwork Orange, which was IF2 in my book, but taken out of the boys college! When it got to the Stephen King story, he ended up learning that if he did not allow Jack Nicholson to go ranting day and night all over the film ... he had no film!!!!!

In many ways, he takes the "acting" out of his actors and for me it hurts ... a lot of Shelly Duval's stuff is actually scary for women, and not funny, but it helped make Jack's character stronger and crazier.

The one thing that he probably should get credit for is his knack for camera angles, although it seems like these are few and far in between, but they show up full force in Clockwork Orange. There was no room for acting chops with all the space gear in 2001. And, in general, his use of music ... which is excellent in Barry Lyndon and almost tells the story by itself if one could imagine that. 

I imagine that he was a critic's favorite because the "meaning" in his films was not hidden and you knew right away what the whole thing is about, although 2001 would be the oddball in this equation.

There you have ... my non-take on Stanley Kubrick!

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