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Topic: Your Favorite Movie Directors?
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Subject: Your Favorite Movie Directors?
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 09:11
Rank them if you can

(in order)

Vittorio De Sica
John Cassavetes
Luchino Visconti
Ingmar Bergman
John Huston

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 10:20
Hi,

Just like the lot of music I listen to, as I get older, the ability to choose a "favorite" is more and more difficult and the desire to state it, gets lost in the translation.

I suppose that I could tell you that if I chose one, it would be Terry Gilliam, and the main reason for it? We have the same birthday (Nov 22nd) and his sentiments are so much like my own, with the movielike imagination, and cartoon imagery all day long (if you will!) ... so it could be said that "I get it" regardless of what he does ... and in the end, I find the La Mancha film very sad ... because he is Don Quixote ... the man whose dream can not be filmed because it is so far out there that no one can relate to it ... and I can see this ... I write from a "dream-like" state and the funny/weird thing to it all is that the next night, the story continues as if it had a mind of its own, which I like to say it does ... and I never worry about what it means ... it's more important to "see the movie" and "appreciate it" than it is to find that it means something ... its meanings are all an illusion anyway, regardless of how we try to define it all, and see if we can find a "reason" for anything, which we do all the time!

But all in all, there are many directors that have stood out in my mind ... and here are some.

Jean-Luc Godard, for being the craziest loon with a camera in his hand. The ultimate kid just turning the camera on, and putting anything together that comes out, and the creativity and fun found in those films is insane, and so "unlike" film ... that most folks can't handle watching them! It is 100% "anti-film".

Nicolas Roeg, specially in the early days, starting with "Performance" and going all great for about 10 years, until the stories kinda fizzled out beyond "Bad Timing/A Sensual Obsession" which is a fabulous film, but scares many folks ... as it comes off weird, specially in the ending.

Luis Bunuel, for being one of the most original of all film makers in his time, and making sure that things were well written and filmed with a certain care that is hard to explain, but makes sense when you see it on the screen. It has been said that many of his films in the 20th century were just like paintings for hundreds of years, and it is hard to not agree or think so when he ends up using so many dramatic images from these paintings ... and the appreciation he has to UNDERSTAND what so much art is all about ... it isn't even surrealism ... it's just the human nature.

Peter Greenaway, one of the most bizarre of all directors, but also the one that has the guts to do something that most won't dare. His thing on the Mozart film is totally insane, but the choreography and bizarre "story" is something that you would love to see in a theater ... even though in this case the nudity is offending to some, but the whole thing is not sexual ... it is extremely symbolic and clean ... and if that is not enough you get a film with a PIP that could be said to be the character's mind, which to us viewers is distracting and scary at the same time ... we don't even know why sometimes as we get confused right the first time we see it. And then, if this is not enough, a version of Shakespeare that is out of this world, with Sir John Gielgud making a few simple lines shine so beautifully, that you wonder why you never bothered to go read that play ... I'll tell you why ... the movie is better than the reading of the play and it has all the visuals! And if that is not enough ... the wife having her lover and then offering him to her husband ... try the (cooked!) cokk ... it's a delicacy ... and a crazy film, just got crazier!

Werner Herzog ... the visuals and the way the music was used ... is something that most film makers never learn ... and it all ends up bad in follow ups ... similar to what happened to the Blade Runner films. But I like a comment that was made ... Werner comes over and wants music for a film, and I have plenty of tapes in the closet ... Werner grabs two or three of them and leaves ... and next week comes in and says ... I got a new film with the music you gave me!

I guess you could say that "insanity" drives me, just like it did don Quixote, even with seeing the original in Chicago in 1968 (I think!!!) with Richard Kiley ... the same night we got to see "East Meets West" (Menuhin and Shankar) ... and we got to see fat old made up ladies leaving the theater ... "how can anyone call all that improvisation music?" ... 

So much of this stuff still makes me cry ... and laugh ... I'm not sure we could ask for more!

It's not about the "meanings, I don't think ... it's the images ... that make it all special!


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 10:36
^ I like Terry Gilliam a lot as well

Recently Denis Villeneuve gets massive love from me for not ruining Blade Runner, and that could easily have happened , not to mention he has also done Arrival, Sicario and Dune. Not bad.

Most of my names would be the obvious ones so I don't know if it's even worth a list.




Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 11:22
In no particular order:

Chris Marker
Johan van der Keuken
Jean Vigo
Jørgen Leth
Béla Tarr
Carl Theodor Dreyer
Artavazd Pelechian
Otar Iosseliani
Santiago Alvarez
Norman McLaren
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 15:16
Christopher Nolan
Peter Wier
Frank Derabound
Peter Jackson
John Hughes
Ridley Scott


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Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 15:44
Martin Scorsese
The Coen Brothers
Ingmar Bergman
Clint Eastwood
Stanley Kubrick

in no particular order


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 16:33
Dario Argento
Kathryn Bigelow
John Carpenter
Francis Ford Coppola
Wes Craven
David Cronenberg
Brian De Palma
Richard Donner
Philip Kaufman
Stanley Kubrick
Michael Mann
George Miller
Christopher Nolan
George A. Romero
Martin Scorsese
Ridley Scott
Don Siegel
Zack Snyder
Oliver Stone
James Wan
Michael Winner


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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 17:18
Christopher Nolan is my main favorite

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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 17:33
In no particular order:

Joel and Ethan Coen
Pedro Almodóvar
Ingmar Bergman
Carl Th. Dreyer
Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck
Tim Burton


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 17:40
Hi,

For me, it's, again, very difficult. I even left out the person that is, for me, the most creative and experimental director of all time in theater in the 20th century and the amazing amount of work he came up with ... PETER BROOK.

It is really difficult to sit and listen to "MARAT/SADE" which most folks will state is too many words, when it is one of the most with it piece of work, and staged beautifully with the asylum members behind bars and the rich folks in the front ... and us behind them all ... !!! The lines, themselves in both the film and the stage version of the LP ... are simply magnificent and say a lot more than we really want to go through and admit.

If that is not enough, his experiments in theater brought us things like "THE MAHABHARATTA" which consisted of actors that could not even talk to each other from different places on the earth, and the presentation of it on stage is ... if you EVER get to see the film, an amazing event.

Hard to deal with, but his original "LORD OF THE FLIES" allowed kids to do a lot of things on their own, and the film ends up looking like an adult thing, but the kids were amazing to watch.

And for good measure, is a sort of documentary about his DIRECTING, done by his son, called "THE TIGHTROPE" and it is, nothing but an acting exercise, but you get to see what it takes to help an actor achieve something ... it's enchanting and lovely ... but something that many folks here will not sit through, and in every way, few realize how revolutionary and progressive that is in the definitions of theater in the 20th century and how it started doing things that were completely away from a script and what we thought theater was all about ... nothing but our emotions. All of a sudden, it is something else.

Of all of his things, the one I wish I could have seen, though you can a film,  although the story is about ... the hundreds of performances they did (Keith Mitchell at the lead), and how in each and every night the repetition portion of the script that is well known, was done totally different, and PB say in his book that he never could find two of them that felt the same! That is supreme acting and touch ... and few directors can accommodate that beauty and use it! 

It was a sad day for my imagination when he passed away a few months ago ... if anything, he was and will forever be one of my "teachers" ... and the only one that can SHOW YOU THAT THE MAGIC IS IN DOING ... not in your imagination!


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 17:53
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:



Frank Derabound


I assume you mean Frank Darabont, director of The Shawshank Redemption and also a major force behind the TV series The Walking Dead?


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 18:27
Interesting that no one is including Tarentino, Cameron or Spielberg on their lists.

The last would get on mine for just Jaws alone.

I would also add William Friedkin for The French Connection films as well as The Exorcist.

Not to mention David Fincher, Alfred Hitchcock, David Lynch, Guillermo Del Torro and Danny Boyle!

Top man out of all those for me is Fincher. Even Alien 3 is reasonably watchable. Seven gave me nightmares and The Game was massive fun with all the twists.

I would also mention Sean Penn just for The Pledge, a very underappreciated film that really hit me. Stars Jack Nicholson as a cop who makes a big mistake and then finds his life crumble slowly away to dust as an obsession to find a killer grips him.This is impressive dark psychological stuff. 






Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 22:55
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:



Frank Derabound



I assume you mean Frank Darabont, director of The Shawshank Redemption and also a major force behind the TV series The Walking Dead?

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Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 00:41
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 05:33
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Interesting that no one is including Tarentino, Cameron or Spielberg on their lists.
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Hi,

The list would be endless!

Here's my conceptual view of these 3 ... and you don't have to think it means I don't like them. They are fine in my book, but not the best.

Tarantino, while putting a lot of help into some foreign films, has spent a lot of time copying many of them. Cameron, is the biggest rip off artist of all ... and Roger Dean, for one, has never got a single cent for it ... and nowadays, World of Warcraft is not giving Roger Dean a single cent either for a character that he had created and was ripped off senseless and directly! Spielberg is the ultimate directing professor at college ... and you can learn more about directing watching his work than almost anyone else except Hitchcock and Kubrick. For me, and his actors make his work better, he's too mechanical ... and a part of the great bunch of well known folks that spend their time at USC and UCLA telling the students what film "is" ... even though they know very well that things are very different in other places in the world ... but Hollywood is what matters! You get caught with a camera in your hand and your project just got a C-.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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David Fincher, Alfred Hitchcock, David Lynch, Guillermo Del Torro and Danny Boyle!
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Guillermo is neat ... but I'm having a hard time watching some of his films, and I have not quite figured out why ... I kinda like things that are free from being tied up (so to speak) and I find his films are too tied up to something or other. But I have to watch a couple of things again, because saying this here makes it look like I did not see anything. 

There are many directors that deserve a mention ... Jane Campion, although she was way better and more to the point in the early days, instead of the great this or that now. Peter Weir did a bunch of far out and neat things ... look up one of his really early pieces ... The Plumber, or the one short about the cars in a rally/demolition thing. George Miller, also deserves some credit. Paul Cox is another far out director that has done some nifty things ... and difficult things that came off well. Zhang Yimou ... stands out for me, and so does the slew of other film makers that he brought with him in china.  Giuseppe Tornatore has put out a bunch of really nice films, and his Cinema Paradiso is a gem, as is Everybody's Fine, both with some incredible performances. Jim Sheridan is magnificent, although he gets more credit as a theater director than he does as a film director. Carlos Saura for his forays into dancing ... and a new version of Carmen (the old against the new!). Ken Russell, that did the most bios of anyone, from his early days ... is a great. Sam Peckinpah who created one of the best westerns ever, and made violence in a couple of films look like a dance on Broadway! Mike Newell is well known for his theater and film directing and really good stuff. Nikita Mikhalkov is another far out director, and has gotten himself an Oscar in his closet courtesy of his daughter. David Lean the master of long shots and visuals in film ... something that is a long lost art these days with some "action" cartoons more important for the money it makes for some. Akira Kurosawa ... not much else needs be said except that he is remembered and the names of the folks at the Japanese Studios that hated him are long forgotten. Krzysztof Kieslowski is fantastic and his Veronique is a gem and then some! Not to mention how the music is used. Derek Jarman, for his insane imagery ... Juzo Itami, for his far out and totally eccentric comedies. Federico Fellini, for his crazy antics, and above all the most important image EVER in film, that we don't like to see ... the kid at the start of INTERVISTA ... and we don't like him, because we think he is simply being a jerk ... the kid just wanted to take a pee!!!!! And .. that's Fellini in one take! Bernardo Bertolucci deserves a mention as to how he uses colors and creates images in his films ... some really nice stuff and almost all of them with outstanding music!

There you have it  ... a quick look through my spreadsheet of films I have reviewed and are posted on my website (over 600!) ... all foreign films ... and yeah, I suppose I should include Huston and Hitchcock and one or two others ... but there is so much stuff out there being ignored my friend ... just so much ... and it deserves the attention!


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 07:48
I'm only a casual film watcher in truth but would accept that the whole Hollywood has reached its time and should just get out the way. There are just way too many superhero films and do we really need yet another Mission Impossible film. I was told recently that Marvel films are in decline (sales wise) and that may be the best news possible for the film industry if you prefer art over entertainment ( although they are not mutually exclusive admittedly). I don't watch enough foreign films and when I do then wonder why I don't! Of my most recent excursions, Argentina 1985 was highly enjoyable but I suspect has been hyped up a bit too much and so not seen by the right crowd. Probably The Orphanage is my favourite and sometimes described as the best Spanish language film ever, Del Torro had a hand in it as producer but didn't write or direct it.

You mention Peckinpah, noted for films with extreme violence. I do enjoy Straw Dogs and not just for Susan George getting her kit off. Apparently she had some misgivings about 'that scene' being a young actress but still decided to audition and was happy to get the role. Peckinpah and Hoffman called her in to give her the news (that she had got it) and when she entered the room then realised both were sitting in their chairs buck naked!




Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 08:19
Stanley Kubrick
Ridley Scott
Steven Spielberg
Martin Scorsese
Francis Ford Coppola
Michelangelo Antonioni
Werner Herzog
William Friedkin
Sidney Lumet
Peter Bogdanovich
Peter Weir
Robert Zemeckis
Roman Polański
Quentin Tarantino
Milos Forman


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 08:50
^yeah that's an impressive list although I've never understood the love for Kubrick personally ( I stand alone though!)


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 11:08
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:



Frank Derabound



I assume you mean Frank Darabont, director of The Shawshank Redemption and also a major force behind the TV series The Walking Dead?

i also added him becouse he is one of the many big names behind Mary Shellys Frankenstein, directed by Kenneth Brannagh and produced by Coppola, i like that film more then many of the ditracters, Frank himself has slmd it. I like it very much, my dyslexia somtimes have problems wiether or not there are diphtongs in names.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 12:05
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^yeah that's an impressive list although I've never understood the love for Kubrick personally ( I stand alone though!)

Stanley Kubrick in my book is the current Gaspar Noe, or the bad boy that wanted to shake things up!

One can appreciate some early stuff, but it all ended with 2001, when all of a sudden he was the "master" and in the end, I think it was over blown and not that great and even the author of the book thought is was another Ken russell adaptation of his novel. In one film he let the actor go free, which he learned to do right then. In the next, Peter Sellers told him what to do, and Peter was the master improvisationalist and did 6 voices in the film, and things like various announcements were done ad lib off Peter's experiences in WW2 (see Spike Milligan books (they were in the same bunch, and Peter played drums!). Tacky, but the novel is also in that vein was Lolita that brought to the front some lines ... listen to Shelly Winters talk about her daughter getting a cavity filled ... it wasn't a dental joke just so you know and both her and James Mason are grinning! I did not like what was made of Clockwork Orange, which was IF2 in my book, but taken out of the boys college! When it got to the Stephen King story, he ended up learning that if he did not allow Jack Nicholson to go ranting day and night all over the film ... he had no film!!!!!

In many ways, he takes the "acting" out of his actors and for me it hurts ... a lot of Shelly Duval's stuff is actually scary for women, and not funny, but it helped make Jack's character stronger and crazier.

The one thing that he probably should get credit for is his knack for camera angles, although it seems like these are few and far in between, but they show up full force in Clockwork Orange. There was no room for acting chops with all the space gear in 2001. And, in general, his use of music ... which is excellent in Barry Lyndon and almost tells the story by itself if one could imagine that. 

I imagine that he was a critic's favorite because the "meaning" in his films was not hidden and you knew right away what the whole thing is about, although 2001 would be the oddball in this equation.

There you have ... my non-take on Stanley Kubrick!



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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 12:12
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

 
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i also added him becouse he is one of the many big names behind Mary Shellys Frankenstein, directed by Kenneth Brannagh and produced by Coppola, i like that film more then many of the ditracters, Frank himself has slmd it. I like it very much, my dyslexia somtimes have problems wiether or not there are diphtongs in names.

Hi,

And that is, by far, the one version that stands by the book a lot more than any other version.

In a special I saw on Prime Video, one scholar said that the original story was not a "horror" story at all, and the film kinda brings that out, but it was all the pubs all over Europe and Britain that "corrupted the story" from its original into something that the public ended up believing more than anything else ... never mind that so many folks will never read the book, specially when it is written by a woman, right with Byron, Shelly, Polidori, Le Fanu and others ... during many nights in castles amidst the candles and storms! Even Ken Russell kinda made fun of this and made their stories be a bit gorier than they needed to be, although the story by Polidori is very bloody ... and he was their DOCTOR! ... and in those days they bled sick patients!

Another view is that the whole "gothic" thing got its stink and blood from the French Revolution and its murderous and bloody public spectacles!


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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 12:22
I don't have a favorite. Out of the many movie directors I like, for now I'ma go with Brad Bird, because I really enjoyed Incredibles and Ratatouille. B) These are classic movies! Also, I have tons of appreciation for people like Robert Rodriguez and John Carpenter because they would often score the music to their own films. :p


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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 12:47
Cirio H. Santiago
Brian Trenchard-Smith

and their apprentice Tarantino. 


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 14:54
This is a bit random and I'm not going to attempt to rank them. I'm sure I've missed some. 

Terry Gilliam
Justin Benson/Aaron Moorhead
Alex Garland
Alfonso Cuarón
Christopher Nolan
Stanley Kubrick
Duncan Jones
Franklin Schaffner
The Spierig Brothers
John Krasinski
Roland Emmerich (mostly for Stargate; later are hit and miss)
Robert Schwentke
M. Night Shyamalan
Shane Carruth
Alexander Payne
Pella Kågerman/Hugo Lilja (just for Ariana; haven't seen anything else by them)
Spike Jonze
David Twohy
Steven Spielberg


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 15:03
Steven Spielberg 

I used to like Olive Stone but haven't seen anything by him in a while. I think he retired. I'm not sure who my favorites are (other than SS) but I have enjoyed stuff by James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Woody Allen, Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick, The Cohen Brothers and Spike Lee. I'm sure there are others too. Usually I go more by the movie or even the actors than the director. 


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 16:42
I did a longer list here three years ago https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123726" rel="nofollow - CLICK , but I'll choose some of my top ones from that and put them here. Some I should have kept, but whatever. One can see my other more complete list with some favourite films as well as other's choices. I should update since I have since seen quite a few great films since then both new and old.

Pedro Almodóvar
Michelangelo Antonioni
Denys Arcand
Bong Joon-ho
Chen Kaige
David Cronenberg
Rainer Werner Fassbinder
Federico Fellini
Terry Gilliam
Jean-Luc Godard
Peter Greenaway
Werner Herzog
Agnieszka Holland
Shohei Imamura
Juzo Itami
Jim Jarmusch
Jean-Pierre Jeunet
Krzysztof Kieślowski
Stanley Kubrick
Akira Kurosawa
Yorgos Lanthimos
Mike Leigh
Ken Loach
Bigas Luna
David Lynch
Hayao Miyazaki
Park Chan-wook
Jean Renoir
Nicolas Roeg
Volker Schlöndorff
Todd Solondz
Quentin Tarantino
Andrei Tarkovsky
Lars von Trier
Peter Weir
Wim Wenders
Edgar Wright
Wong Kar-wai
Zhang Yimou


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 03:13
My Top 10 Movie Directors (in alphabetical order)

James Cameron
John Carpenter
Francis Ford Coppola
Michael Mann
Martin Scorsese
Ridley Scott
Don Siegel
Steven Spielberg
Oliver Stone
Michael Winner



Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 06:20
Hi,

In my book, the most important thing is to find/list directors that are not media darlings and a part of the top ten society. It is very sad that so much film gets left behind because the majority of "directors" named here, were folks that did films that made money for the studios.

Compare that to Akira Kurosawa that had to go to Italy, France, England and America, just to get 100K to get ONE film done, because the Japanese folks wouldn't help him ... he wasn't making films to get them lots of money ... and as I used to say at the Portland International Flim Flam Festival, you got to see the other stuff, because you will never see it again (easier now with the toob, but not really!) ... while all the American and English stuff will come out on video (then) or DVD (now)!

The sad thing is how much one misses when finding out that there are some other far out films out there! Well, not for Paul, though his intentions are good, but his film tastes have not reached the music tastes as much. At list his lists, anyway!


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Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 06:26
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^yeah that's an impressive list although I've never understood the love for Kubrick personally ( I stand alone though!)

Really? Wow, Richard!

2001: A Space Odyssey - one of the best sci-fi movies of all-time that never aged. Mesmerizing cinematography, music, special effects!

A Clockwork Orange - one of the best dystopian crime movies with prog-rock reference. Anyone knows what I am talking about?

The Shining - one of the best horror films.

What else? Spartacus, Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket.
One exception, I've never understood the love for Dr. Strangelove. I've made couple attempts but never finished it. Not my cup of tea. By many regarded as Kubrick's best film.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 08:10
Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^yeah that's an impressive list although I've never understood the love for Kubrick personally ( I stand alone though!)

Really? Wow, Richard!

2001: A Space Odyssey - one of the best sci-fi movies of all-time that never aged. Mesmerizing cinematography, music, special effects!

A Clockwork Orange - one of the best dystopian crime movies with prog-rock reference. Anyone knows what I am talking about?

The Shining - one of the best horror films.

What else? Spartacus, Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket.
One exception, I've never understood the love for Dr. Strangelove. I've made couple attempts but never finished it. Not my cup of tea. By many regarded as Kubrick's best film.

He also directed Paths of Glory. I thought it was quite good. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 08:21
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


The sad thing is how much one misses when finding out that there are some other far out films out there! Well, not for Paul, though his intentions are good, but his film tastes have not reached the music tastes as much. At list his lists, anyway!
In my defence, I've watched Zardoz, so I have seen at least one far out film. Tongue



Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 10:20
Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

 
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2001: A Space Odyssey - one of the best sci-fi movies of all-time that never aged. Mesmerizing cinematography, music, special effects!
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Hi,

I'm don't think that it is one of the "greatest", though one could say it was one of the most seen and known ... I still think a lot of the Sci-Fi stuff that was done with Ray Harryhausen, Forbidden Planet, The Day The Earth Stood Still (for example) stand out a lot more ... specially as they were the forerunners of the style and themes. SK's film is nice, and I agree with the cinematography, the effects created for the film, but I tend to think a bit about the author that was not all that happy with the film, though he appreciated the "new audience" that came to read more of his work. Like the Ray Harryhausen stuff, Stanley Kubrick used a lot of music and did it very well in most of his films. 

However, when compared to other directors around the world that created a lot of mesmerizing things that were not just "a show" ... I would say that SK is one of the good ones, and not exactly the best. There are many films where the Sci-Fi current is more important, and valuable to its story ... the original Blade Runner, takes 2001 to school in my book. And the writing in it is far superior to SK's though the only part of the whole thing that can have any dialogue is the astronaut stuff.

Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

 
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A Clockwork Orange - one of the best dystopian crime movies with prog-rock reference. Anyone knows what I am talking about?
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I do not dislike this film, however it is, in many ways IF2 (Lindsay Anderson's film IF) and it is simply more visual and violent with the added music to make a point even stranger than fiction. The premise of the two opposites is very strong, and makes the whole thing rather ... weird, for me. But, a lot in the film is blurry and weird and I think that too much of it was made from the fact that the lead actor made a go of it, and it was hard to ignore some of the fun things he was trying as he was moving around ... great actors tend to extend their work, and film, is often a bad place for it if the director does not know how to work with those kinds of actors, but he had experience, going back to Kirk Douglas, Peter Sellers, and later jack Nicholson as well as others ... who were outstanding at their free form, and deadly on ad libs and slight "asides" while acting. Peter Sellers hones this down in 12 years with The Goons on BBC Radio ... still the most surreal and funniest comedy around.

Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

 
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The Shining - one of the best horror films.
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Take away Jack Nicholson and this film falls apart and every one will say that Shelly Duval was over-reacting to everything, and shouldn't have been there! What makes it great is the way the cinematography adds and hides so much of the film ... and creates moments that make us wonder ... what is going on? ... what's over there? ... kind of thing.

It didn't even dent the variety of horror films that were very big at the time, and even Dario Argento in Italy. Heck, even The Stalker (Russian film from 1973) is a better horror film, and there is no "violence" but the camera is scary as heck through all the 3 hours ... you never know what is in the next bend!

Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

 
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What else? Spartacus, Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket.
One exception, I've never understood the love for Dr. Strangelove. I've made couple attempts but never finished it. Not my cup of tea. By many regarded as Kubrick's best film.

Of these three I think that Barry Lyndon is the best of them ... it is not filmed to show off anything, and instead uses the music really well ... but acting wise, I would think it is a film that is not very strong ... at least compared to other things SK did.

Dr. Strangelove makes little sense today because we think that the "cold war" is long over and the paranoia is a joke ... it was probably one of the best satirical films ever and iot has a stupendous cast. You can't EVER forget George C. Scott (... you know you're not supposed to call me when ... and you know she is being sexy on the other end of the phone by his reaction! Priceless!) ... Sterling Hayden ... fluoride Manfred, fluoride as he discusses his feelings and paranoia in sending out a bomb ... Slim Pickens is absolutely insane and incredible. And the cowboy in him won't die!

But, all in all, the hard part of this particular film is that it has to have dialogue, and there is "no action" for us to get excited, so in essence, someone saying the film is crap, is not surprising ... but you must realize that it was made what ... some 58 years ago at a time when a lot of folks were very worried and scared of the Soviet everything. Today with the Internet adding so much mis-information and lies, you and I don't even care anymore!

SK was brilliant in his time ... he has not exactly aged well ... and somethings he did are not exactly appreciated today ... the suggestive lines in LOLITA are incredibly sexist and suggest worse. The violence in ACO is gratuitous and I think it suited the acting ability and style for MM. Two thirds of 2001 today is wasted on audiences that want to see Tom Cruise go silly ... (assuming that it is not all just advertising!!!) ... and no one gives a damn about SPACE ... something that everyone was getting their very first glimpse at the time, making it more important than it is now that we don't care.

But I can tell you one thing that was really FAR OUT ... TODAY'S audiences will never experience ... seeing 2001 at the Cinerama Dome in 180 degree screen and with music flying all over the theater aobe, below and every side you have! That added to the "experience", and of course, the accolades for the film maker!


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 11:00
I neglected to mention Sergio Leone in my list of Top 10 directors. He directed my all-time favourite western - Once Upon a Time in the West - starring Henry Fonda, Charles Bronson, Jason Robards and Gina Lhologrobidigillolloda. I'm not sure if I spelt that last name right. Is it Gina or Gena?


Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 12:10
Beautiful Gina Lollobrigida


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 13:04
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Dario Argento
Kathryn Bigelow
John Carpenter
Francis Ford Coppola
Wes Craven
David Cronenberg
Brian De Palma
Richard Donner
Philip Kaufman
Stanley Kubrick
Michael Mann
George Miller
Christopher Nolan
George A. Romero
Martin Scorsese
Ridley Scott
Don Siegel
Zack Snyder
Oliver Stone
James Wan
Michael Winner

I forgot Mel Brooks. I love his movies!


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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 13:42

I am going to forget someone but here are those I can't forget:

1- Jim Jarmusch

2- Stanley Kubrick

3- David Lynch

4- Sergio Leone

5- Alfred Hitch...

6- Woody Allen

7- David Cronenberg

8- Pedro Almodovar

9- Francis Copolla

10-...Tarantino

11- Cohen Brothers

12- Clint Eastwood


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Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 13:54
Moshto - thank you for you response.
Blade Runner or 2001: A Space Odyssey? In my book, both movies are equally excellent. I wouldn't be able choose one over another, top 10 of all-time movies.
Stalker from 1973 by Andrei Tarkovsky - is it really a horror movie? I am not sure about it. Probably philosophical sci-fi drama.
I simply adore the sci-fi novel "Roadside Picnic" the movie is loosely based on.
Lindsay Anderson's If... - I haven't seen it in a long time. I watched his "O'Lucky Man" film few times and always with great admiration. In general, I like movies where music plays important role.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 15 2023 at 21:17
Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^yeah that's an impressive list although I've never understood the love for Kubrick personally ( I stand alone though!)

Really? Wow, Richard!

2001: A Space Odyssey - one of the best sci-fi movies of all-time that never aged. Mesmerizing cinematography, music, special effects!

A Clockwork Orange - one of the best dystopian crime movies with prog-rock reference. Anyone knows what I am talking about?

The Shining - one of the best horror films.

What else? Spartacus, Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket.
One exception, I've never understood the love for Dr. Strangelove. I've made couple attempts but never finished it. Not my cup of tea. By many regarded as Kubrick's best film.

Erm, yep I undertand that 2001 showed space as it really is - terminally boring! Ridley Scott was a big fan and made a much more entertaining sci-fi film Alien.

I'm very much with Stephen King on that film version of The Shining. Didn't really convince me in any respect, way too over the top acting wise by both Nicholson (who is way better in many other films) and Duvall. Perhaps the scene 'Here's Jonny!!' has been way too parodied as the spinning head thing in the Exorcist although I much moee enjoyed the latter. Kubrick is certainly uncompormising in his vision and I perhaps should respect that but at the end of the day I want to be engaged and his films don't do it for me.


Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: September 16 2023 at 12:20
Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:


I am going to forget someone but here are those I can't forget:
1- Jim Jarmusch

2- Stanley Kubrick

3- David Lynch

4- Sergio Leone

5- Alfred Hitch...

6- Woody Allen

7- David Cronenberg

8- Pedro Almodovar

<9- Francis Copolla

10-...Tarantino

11- Cohen Brothers

12- Clint Eastwood


I heard the name but I haven't watched any of Jarmusch's movies until last year. Some of them left me cold, some I couldn't finish but I really enjoyed "Paterson" and "Mystery Train". I was never a huge fan of Adam Driver and his acting, but his role as a bus driver and poet in "Paterson" is simply outstanding. Driver's character and relationship with his wife Laura, makes you think about your own live and relationships you have with other people. Slow pace movie, but with great dialogs and interesting interactions between various characters.

I am curious, what are your favorite Jarmusch's films?


Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: September 16 2023 at 12:46
Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:


I am going to forget someone but here are those I can't forget:
1- Jim Jarmusch

2- Stanley Kubrick

3- David Lynch

4- Sergio Leone

5- Alfred Hitch...

6- Woody Allen

7- David Cronenberg

8- Pedro Almodovar

<9- Francis Copolla

10-...Tarantino

11- Cohen Brothers

12- Clint Eastwood


I heard the name but I haven't watched any of Jarmusch's movies until last year. Some of them left me cold, some I couldn't finish but I really enjoyed "Paterson" and "Mystery Train". I was never a huge fan of Adam Driver and his acting, but his role as a bus driver and poet in "Paterson" is simply outstanding. Driver's character and relationship with his wife Laura, makes you think about your own live and relationships you have with other people. Slow pace movie, but with great dialogs and interesting interactions between various characters.

I am curious, what are your favorite Jarmusch's films?


Ghost Dog and Broken Flowers and Mystery Train. I will check the Paterson movie you mentioned, I am really curious because I always like all the movies i have seen from him.


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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: September 16 2023 at 13:07
^ I like Jim Jarmusch a lot. His first two films, Permanent Vacation and Stranger Than Paradise aren't very good I think, but with the third one, Down by Law he found his voice so to speak I think. The following five are masterpieces: Mystery Train, Night on Earth, Dead Man, Ghost Dog and Coffee and Cigarettes. Ghost Dog is a top 5 film for me. 

It's been long since I saw Broken Flowers, but I didn't care much for it. I need to see it again. The Limits of Control is weird and not entirely in a good way I think. Only Lovers Left Alive and Paterson I liked quite a lot. Haven't seen The Dead Don't Die yet. 


Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: September 16 2023 at 14:38
^ I guess I have to watch Ghost Dog, I've never seen it.
Night on Earth - liked first 3 stories, last 2 left me cold.
Only Lovers Left Alive - I was never a huge fan of vampire movies and this one wasn't an exception.
The Dead Don't Die - good zombie movie, but I watched few better ones. There is one interesting and funny twist in the movie, but to avoid a spoiler, I can't write about it. Music connection- Iggy Pop and Tom Waits have small roles in the movie.
Broker Flowers - I liked it a lot, great cast with Bill Murray as a main character and interesting plot.
Mystery Train was my first intro to Jarmusch's filmography. Very interesting structure of the movie: 3 unrelated stories but somehow connected with each other. There are few amazing scenes/interactions between the characters that are pure magic. It makes you think how the hell Jarmusch came up with this scene. Plenty of music connections, the movie takes places in Memphis and includes a tour of Sun Records. Highly recommended but be aware- very slow beginning (scenes in the train and walk of 2 Japanese characters through the streets of Memphis)


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 16 2023 at 16:59
Ghost Dog...now that's the textbook definition of a slow burn.

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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: September 16 2023 at 21:56
Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Music connection- Iggy Pop and Tom Waits have small roles in the movie.

And that's not all. Tom Waits has one of the main roles in Down by Law and he made music for Night on Earth. Down by Law also has John Lurie (of The Lounge Lizards) who was in Stranger Than Paradise as well (in which there also was one-time Sonic Youth drummer Richard Edson). 

Jarmusch also directed Stooges documentary Gimme Danger that's very much worth seeing. And then there's Neil Young tour documentary Year of the Horse. 


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 16 2023 at 22:32
watching The Apartment --   Billy Wilder was quite great.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 17 2023 at 09:46
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

watching The Apartment --   Billy Wilder was quite great.

Hi,

A good director with an outstanding listing of films ... you will note that he WROTE most of them, which is/was very much in line with a lot of the European directors, as opposed to America where things were mostly dominated by the studios. Even despite that, he was able to get the actors to get it done, which allowed for the studios to put their money behind it, instead of telling him where the laundry and the garbage was!


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www.pedrosena.com


Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: September 17 2023 at 12:20
Agreed about Billy Wilder. Sunset Boulevard is my favourite and probably another top 5 film for me. 


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 17 2023 at 14:25
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

watching The Apartment --   Billy Wilder was quite great.
Hi,
A good director with an outstanding listing of films ... you will note that he WROTE most of them, which is/was very much in line with a lot of the European directors, as opposed to America where things were mostly dominated by the studios. Even despite that, he was able to get the actors to get it done, which allowed for the studios to put their money behind it, instead of telling him where the laundry and the garbage was!

Thank you, Pedro, yes his process was unique for directors.   I see his influence in much later work by Woody Allen, Buck Henry, Neil Simon, etc.   And of course Wilder was an ardent anti-Fascist.




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