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yam yam 
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 Posted: January 20 2023 at 20:05 |
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^ Yes, I'll put together a better bio for Joy Unlimited over the next day or so and post it here. If no reply is received by then from Devega on Facebook confirming the definite date that the tracks were recorded, then yes, I think it's pretty safe to just go ahead and add in that they were recorded in 1972, with Hans Lingenfelder guesting on guitar. Seems from what Roland Heck said in the Joy Unlimited feature that Devega initially got hold of those recordings without the band's knowledge or approval, so they might not want to disclose anything to me now about it lol! Hopefully the band members will have received their due royalties from the subsequent releases of the material on LP, CD and digital.
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 19:47 |
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David, if you'd like to (would you?  ) we can try to "compose" a better bio using these sources.
Looks like we can add in the album info that it was recorded in 1972 and Hans Lingenfelder was a guest musician then. Do it now or wait for Devega confirmation? |
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yam yam
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 19:43 |
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^^ Thanks for this guidance Eugene. I'll keep it handy and try to follow it for any future album information updates I post on here.
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yam yam
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 19:38 |
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^^ Thanks for that explanation Julien, which I fully understand.
I recall back in January 2021, when you unleashed your database 'search and replace' tool on the World, that there were 16257 albums with no total time, around 9768 albums without individual track times, 59 albums with empty track lists, 2443 albums with empty line-ups and 4928 albums with empty releases information! We dealt with the 59 albums with empty track lists on a one by one basis by sharing the workload in this thread, but what happened regarding the rest of the omissions you discovered back then, and how many remain today, I've no idea!  |
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 19:25 |
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^^ My 2 cents, guys. In my opinion reissue information is always helpful. Obviously we can't (and don't need) mention all reissues like on Discogs. But available formats (LP, CD, digital) are important I think. As well as reissues with bonus tracks.
I usually use (for the albums with lots of reissues) the following scheme: LP <label - cat. No> (Country, The year of the 1st issue) CD <label - cat. No> (Country, The year of 1st CD reissue) CD <label - cat. No> (Country, The year of CD reissue, Number of bonus tracks) Digital album (Year) Numerous LP and CD reissues
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 17:25 |
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^ I'm working really hard to get the tracks listing and the line-up/musicians sections right. I think those are the most important informations. The releases information is also important to get the release date and some additional info (like recording date or artwork), but I don't always feel the necessity to enumerate all the reissues/remasters/special editions/etc. I guess it's nice to have it, but it's not a priority.
When I have time, I try to add some info about reissues, but nowadays I feel I have more important jobs to do on PA. For example, I fixed (and still fix today) every new entry since 2020 (mostly tracks listing and musicians) !!! If you want to update the releases information for any particular entry on PA, just post them here, so I can update them. It will be my pleasure.
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yam yam
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 16:47 |
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^ Thanks again Julien. Any particular reason why the reissues aren't being added in to the album releases information section these days? I won't pay any attention to them in future if the policy of including them has been changed.
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 15:31 |
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^ Thanks David, all done.
 (except adding reissues...)
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 14:24 |
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Arc - ...At This: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=17659. Three track times are missing, as is total time. Another relatively minor point is that the true title of the album includes three ellipsis points before the word 'At' These timings are from the discogs page for the Green Tree Records GTR 022 1994 reissue. 1. Let Your Love Run Through (4:53) 2. It's Gonna Rain (4:06) 3. Four Times Eight (3:16) 4. An Ear Ago (4:29) 5. Great Lager Street (3:57) 6. Hello, Hello, Monday (7:13) 7. Perfectly Happy Man (5:57) 8. Sophie's Cat (3:06) 9. You're In The Garden (4:52) Total time 41:49 Several other reissues can be found on the discogs master page for the album if you want to go the extra mile.
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yam yam
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 08:50 |
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^ Thanks Julien. Could you also alter his name in the biography (since it's just a typo correction, and not a rewrite which would need the team's approval)? I think you should have the necessary privileges to be able to edit biographies now that you are a Special Collab.
If not, then hopefully Eugene can do it.
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Posted: January 20 2023 at 05:08 |
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 23:54 |
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^ There's a feature all about Joy Unlimited here: https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2015/12/joy-unlimited-feature.
Here's some text from it: "A rather tame blues rock outfit called Joy & The Hit Kids rebranded itself as Joy Unlimited and started playing technical, folky prog rock, releasing three heavy concept albums before dissolving in 1976. “It was a very progressive time,” Roland Heck recalls, speaking from his home in Grasellenbach, a small village in Southern Hesse, halfway between Heidelberg and Frankfurt. He was one of the key figures in Joy Unlimited, playing acoustic and electric pianos and vibraphone. His counterpart was Gerd Koethe on flutes and saxophones. The two of them work together as a producer tag team until this very day. “Musically, we tried different things we weren’t taught at the university.” The “university” was Mannheim’s music school where they met the other band members between 1966 and 1970: Albin Metz on bass, Dieter Kindl on guitar, Hans Herkenne on drums, a couple of rotating others and an incredibly talented blues and soul singer called Joy Fleming." Then we have Hans Lingenfelder's biography at: https://www.lyricsvault.net/php/bio.php?a=5098#axzz7quPmywHa: "In 1973, Hans joined a rock-band called Joy Unlimited, which, under the name Hit Kids also recorded more commercial stuff and then Hans started to do more and more session work. He can be heard on lots of records of many German-speaking artists such as Paola, Roberto Blanco, Costa Cordalis among many. He worked for Albert Hammond who recorded a successful LP in Berlin at that time." So, Hans Lingenfelder did session work, and Joy Unlimited's early line ups involved "a couple of rotating others", so putting two and two together, I reckon if the album was recorded in 1972, as many sites seem to suggest, Hans was probably involved in 'Instrumental Impressions' as a session musician rather than an official member of the band. He joined the band officially in 1973, after the release of the 'Reflections' album, so if 'Instrumental Impressions' wasn't actually recorded until 1974 - despite all the current indications from various sources that it was recorded in 1972 and then released in 1974 - then he would indeed have contributed to it as an official band member. Further down the Joy Unlimited feature page we have this paragraph: "There’s another rare and obscure album from that era that remains expensive among collectors. Instrumental Impressions was released by Italian label Devega, presumably around 1974. It contains all instrumental, funky library tracks, recorded by Joy Unlimited for public radio station SWR. Heck sighs when asked about the release. “We were naive back then, we only cared about the music. For us, the most important thing was to release records. But we didn’t think much about contracts and conditions. So with this record, somebody must have sold our recordings without our knowledge or approval. We never saw any money for this one. Well, today I can cope with that,” he laughs." There's another Joy Unlimited piece (an interview with drummer Hans Herkenne) here: https://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2020/04/joy-unlimited-interview.html. If I can get definite confirmation from Devega that these tracks which make up the 'Instrumental Impressions' album - initially recorded by Joy Unlimited for use by the SWR public radio station - were originally recorded by the band in 1972, then we can add this as a note at the bottom of our page, but the date of 1974 that we have on the page now definitely seems to be the one to use for the album's actual release. One more bit of info needs changing on the band's 1973 'Reflections' album (and also in the band's biography) which I didn't spot until now.  The vocalist who replaced Joy Fleming was Ken Traylor, not Taylor. |
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 19:29 |
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^ I just found out that Sonorama Records bandcamp page contains the whole text of CD liner notes.
A couple of contradictory qoutes: ""Instrumental Impressions" and appeared on the obscure Devega label from Milan in 1972" "With the last "Joy Unlimited" guitarist Hans Lingenfelder - who is also featured on "Instrumental Impressions"..." It's unlikely that Hans Lingenfelder added his guitar parts for 2012 CD release. At least nothing is said about it in the liner notes. So 1974 looks like a correct recording and release year.
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 18:39 |
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I edited the post while you were adding that, and include the extra info I found again below:
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 18:06 |
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^^ Makes sense. Though it's also possible that it was recorded in 1972 and Hans Lingenfelder is mistakenly pointed on CD reissue (original LP cover doesn't list the line-up). Anyway, let's keep it as a 1974 release.
Thanks, changed Minne date.
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 17:52 |
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^ I messaged them with all the details. The facebook page doesn't get many posts, but was active on December 19th 2022, so fingers crossed! How strange that several sources that you would expect to be reliable seem to have gotten this date wrong!
Edit: Of course, Hans Lingenfelder's guitar could have been added during the remastering of the album in 2012, so the 1972 original date might yet be correct, and if you haven't already done so, open up the more button on the Sonorama Records bandcamp page. Some very detailed info there, which suggests that it is highly unlikely that they have got the original date wrong. RYM says the album was recorded in 1972 and released in 1974, and my gut feeling is that this is actually the correct story. Check this search link on Popsike.com, and you'll see that the majority of listings give the release date as 1974, and the Devega Records catalogue number of DVG-STL 7410, suggests 1974 too, so it's just the recording date that seems to need confirming now. Edited by yam yam - January 19 2023 at 18:32 |
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 17:35 |
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^ OK so I changed it for 1974. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77862
Come back to us if you have a definite answer from the label. Thanks!
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 17:24 |
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^ I read that comment before - and dismissed it - since both the Discogs website itself & Sonorama Records who reissued the album on LP and CD in 2012 both state the original release as 1972. I therefore added the album with this date as the original release, using the timings from the Discogs page.
Since then, I have followed the Spotify link given on the Devega Music Publishing YouTube upload of the full album, and the release date there is given as 1974!  Since this was the label which originally released the album, it is probably the most reliable source of all those that we currently have. Furthermore, Hans Lingenfelder, who played guitar on the album, wasn't a member of the band for their first three albums (1970 -73), only featuring on the 1975 album "Minne" and this one, so the Instrumental Impressions album couldn't have been recorded or released in 1972 by the looks of it! I'd be tempted to go for 1974 to be honest, as it is quite possible that Hans Lingenfelder had joined the band by then, and this date appears to come direct from the horse's mouth (℗ & © De Ferrari & Devega srl as seen on Spotify's page for the album). Please amend my entry as you feel is best based on the current info we have, but I'll try messaging Devaga on facebook to see if someone will look into this properly for me and confirm the actual release date of the album.
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 17:19 |
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^ It's a comment... and a reply.
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Posted: January 19 2023 at 16:56 |
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^ It's just a comment, while sonoramarecords.bandcamp page reads:
" One of these worldwide hunted cult albums from Italy is called "Instrumental Impressions" and appeared on the obscure Devega label from Milan in 1972" I'd say 1972.
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