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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9545

Same band no need for two separate pages

on the album by Amadeus Awad's EON it should be in under Amadeus Awad page as Amadeus Awad's EON: Book of Gates 

Merry Christmas to my teammate Julien and all of you, who help to make PA the best prog resource ever.

Keep on proggin' and rockin'! All the best to you and your families. 

well, it was all recorded live, it's under live albums. 

Thanks Mayer, done. The 2nd one will be deleted soon.

Do you know, I never even noticed that bit! I was so puzzled trying to fathom out what was going on with the timings that I didn't bother to read the rest of the page!

I had no idea that SACDs and CDs sometimes had different timings for the same tracks, having never owned a SACD disc player or purchased one of these discs, but I just found a thread on the Steve Hoffman Music Forums about this very issue, and guess what is one of the albums that gets mentioned there? 

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/hybrid-sacds-where-the-cd-and-sacd-stereo-layers-are-different-mixes-track-lengths.728023/:

I don't understand any of the technical reasons why this happens, but I guess there must indeed be some reason or other why they had to shorten several of the tracks on the SACD layer, even though I read on Wikipedia that these layers can hold up to 110 minutes without DST compression.

So, case finally closed. 

Thanks for taking the time to look into this, and sorry to have been such a pain!   Good job it was a decent album that you had to sit through (as are all RPWL albums imho!) 

I'm also still confused by the deviations of the timings of a few other tracks in both our own and discogs listings from those in the currently available streams of the album (eg the first two tracks, 'Sleep' and 'Start The Fire'). It's also a bit strange that the discogs page for the standard CD issue (and also the Gentle Art Of Music 2013 reissue of it, as well as the master page for the album) has track 4 'Roses' listed at only 5:39 instead of the 6:36 of the CD layer of the hybrid SACD. Several other tracks are shown on discogs with different timings in the SACD layer from those of the normal CD layer, which also seems strange to a simple fellow like me who doesn't understand all the technical stuff lol!

As far as I know there weren't any re-recordings of these early tracks done by the band especially for the SACD version of the album, or for the currently available streams, so the whole thing just seems a bit of a mess to me. 

Edit: The currently available streams of that 'Start The Fire' live album from 2005 - both on YouTube and Spotify - don't include the full studio version of 'New Stars Are Born' as a bonus track, as documented on the discogs and PA pages for the album, so it would seem that the band's current record label, Gentle Art Of Music, have definitely decided that the full piece is more appropriately included these days as a bonus track in streams of the 2005 'World Through My Eyes' studio album rather than the 'Start The Fire' live album. That certainly makes perfect sense to me upon reflection, but it potentially leads to confusion for anyone else visiting the old discogs and PA pages for the album and comparing the track listings there with those that they are seeing and listening to on Spotify or YouTube.

I don't envy you guys at all, trying to keep this website up to date with things like this going on behind your backs lol!

'World Through My Eyes' (2005): https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6931.

It was released on CD and also SACD, with a bonus track 'New Stars Are Born' on the SACD version, and we have the time for this track as 7:00.

If you look at the discogs page for the SACD version, it gives two entries for this track: Firstly as CD-11 with a time of 7:04, then a bit further down the page as SACD-11 with a time of 5:07.

All the YouTube and Spotify streams for the track that I looked at come in at around 12:40, which seems to be roughly equivalent to the two discogs entries added together plus a bit more, so I reckon both discogs and us have got this wrong as things stand atm.

Here are some examples of streams of the track:

https://open.spotify.com/track/5exKpWzuD3iVWGW5d3euMk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rhclb3-nY0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgJpbxhgdI.

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nxLUk5vEJHAFN9p300CHAKtfA5UIWDN1c (the full album on YouTube Music).

I'll leave it with you to ponder what might be the reason for this discrepancy, since discogs is usually pretty reliable on these matters.

Edit: Several of the track times for this album that both we and discogs have differ from those in the streams of the album that currently exist on YouTube and Spotify - some by more than 10 seconds in our own listing - and discogs is out by almost a whole minute for track 4 'Roses' - so I'd be tempted to redo the whole lot based on either the YouTube or Spotify timings (which correlate with each other to within 1 second).

RPWL - 'Stock': https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2159.

There was a 'Gentle Art Of Music' 2013 reissue (GAOM015) which included a bonus track "Moonflower".

https://www.discogs.com/release/10435660-RPWL-Stock.

Both this reissue and the discogs master release page mention two additional musicians:

Chris Postl was the bass player on the band's first album 'God Has Failed', and this compilation is essentially made up of tracks that didn't make it onto the band's first two albums, so this seems reasonable.

Yogi Lang also plays keyboards as well as performing vocals, and this is mentioned in the credits on the discogs entries, but not on our page for the album.