Top 50 of the 2010s as rated on RYM and PA

Saperlipopette! wrote: btw: Swans - To Be Kind is RYMs no. 1 album for 2014 (all genres included) -has 268 reviews, over 22000 ratings and a 4.00 average

PhideauxFan wrote: Thank you for that list !  I've got 23 of these albums.

Edited by David_D - May 13 2022 at 03:54

Saperlipopette! wrote: So you suddenly take decisions like than that now? Would be one of the proggiest albums on the list imo, but you do as you please.

Saperlipopette! wrote: David_D wrote: When working out a list like this one, many decisions about what to include must be taken, as RYM's definition of Progressive Rock is very different from PA's. On RYM for instance, To Be Kind is not considered to be Prog. But it makes little-or no sense to me as Swans are in the Progarchives and Post Rock is a well established Sub-genre here.

^^ The point of this is that it's about combined chart lists, though isn't it? So I would have thought that "To Be Kind would absolutely not come on this top list if only counting PA ratings" was not a particularly relevant comment. I find it interesting seeing the differences between the two sites and have done topics on that before. I know, David, from your comment in your Eclectic Prog themed topic that you don't consider Swans to be Prog according to your definition, and from this topic that you don't consider To Be Kind to be a Prog album.

Have you listened to To Be Kind in full and all the albums in your top 50 to see how well they fit your definition? I would think that this would be a better exercise if you tried your best to limit your personal biases when making the list, but I am interested in the specifics of why this album does not meet your criteria as well (even if I think it should be more of an aside and I would rather approach such things in a way that is more inclusive and not exclusive according to my biases).

I understand that because RYM does not list Swans as Prog it may have been missed for the list, not that you have this is a reason -- they use Experimental Rock/ Post Rock for the album, but experimental post-rock comes under the Prog umbrella at PA and it has relations with other music deemed Prog in PA -- and especially easy to miss because PA does not list the album nearly as high.

That said, if I were making such lists I would like to be updating and amending them and taking on suggestions (I mentioned before that I love synthesis). I suggest calculating that album from the PA and RYM ratings and seeing how it fits in the list, and maybe adding it. To me it would be applicable to the list. That said, I am interested in the details of why you or another don't think a specific album applicable to a Prog list. Debating what is and isn't Prog has been a lifeblood of PA even if it can get tiresome after all these years as it seems there is rarely much progress and we don't as a community achieve consensus.

Late edit for bad typo.

Edited by Logan - May 13 2022 at 16:36

^ Then maybe this "historical document" made in January 2020 should have remained in the past. Just a thought.

Logan wrote: Have you listened to To Be Kind in full and all the albums in your top 50 to see how well they fit your definition? I would think that this would be a better exercise if you tried your best to limit your personal biases when making the list,....

Edited by David_D - May 15 2022 at 14:27

David_D wrote: Logan wrote: I know, David, from your comment in your Eclectic Prog themed topic that you don't consider Swans to be Prog according to your definition, and from this topic that you don't consider To Be Kind to be a Prog album. But what is your opinion, Greg, would you say that To Be Kind meets the requirements of my Prog definition?

Letting the genre tags at RYM decide for you hardly qualifies as having an actual prog definition. So you're ok with Kayo Dot - Hubardo and that Blood Incantation-album with the long title, but not To Be Kind? I like those albums as well, but this makes little sense to me.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Btw: I'm quite certain Vektor - Terminal Redux with their 3:82 average from 5505 ratings, 86 reviews and Progressive Metal-tag on RYM (16th for 2014, all genres included) + 3:93 from 142 ratings and 9 reviews on PA is missing from your list as well.

Edited by David_D - May 17 2022 at 08:47