Top 50 of the 2010s as rated on RYM and PA
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Topic: Top 50 of the 2010s as rated on RYM and PA
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Top 50 of the 2010s as rated on RYM and PA
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 03:55
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Progressive Rock meta-genre's top 50 of the 2010's This list is made in January 2020 on basis of all the ratings on RateYourMusic and ProgArchives but only 1 (studio) album from each band is included. The averages of all the ratings are weighted according to the number of raters on RYM and PA respectively, and then recalculated to 15-scale. Steven Wilson (UK) :
The Raven that Refused to Sing (2013) 11,5 (6600 r.) Anathema (UK) :
Weather Systems (2012) 11,1 (3800 r.) King Gizzard… (Aust) :
Polygondwanaland (2017) 10,8 (4400 r.) Opeth (S) :
Pale Communion (2014) 10,7 (4400 r.) Rush (CAN) :
Clorkwork Angels (2012)
10,9
(3700 r.) Haken (UK) :
The Mountain (2013)
11,5
(2900 r.) Riverside (PL) :
Shrine of a New Generation Slaves
(2013) 11,2 (2700 r.) IQ (UK) :
The Road of Bones (2014) 11,9 (1900 r.) Ne Obliviscaris (Aust) :
Portal of I (2012) 11,1 (2600 r.) Blood Incantation (US) :
Hidden History of the Human Race
(2019) 11,0 (2800 r.) Leprous (N) :
The Congregation (2015) 11,2 (2300 r.) Enslaved (N) :
Axioma Ethica Odini (2010) 11,1 (2500 r.) Änglagård (S) :
Viljans Öga (2012) 12.1 (1800 r.) Dream Theater (US) :
A Dramatic Turn of Events (2011) 10,0 (4300 r.) Gojira (F) : L’enfant Sauvage (2012)
10,6 (2800 r.) Between the Buried and
Me (US) : The Parallax II: Future Sequence (2012)
10,9
(2300 r.) Devin Townsend
Project (CAN) : Deconstruction (2011)
10,9
(2300 r.) Big Big Train (UK) :
English Electric (Part 1) (2012) 12,2 (1500 r.) Wobbler (N) :
From Silence to Somewhere (2017) 12,1 (1200 r.) Phideaux (US) :
Snowtorch (2011) 12,0 (1200 r.) The Flower Kings (S) :
Banks of Eden (2012) 11,7 (1200 r.) Anekdoten (S) :
Until All the Ghosts Are Gone (2015) 11,6 (1300 r.) Ihsahn (N) :
After (2010) 11,1 (1700 r.) Ayreon (NL) :
The Theory of Everything (2013) 11,0 (1500 r.) The Ocean (D) :
Pelagial (2013) 10,9 (1700 r.) Discipline (US) :
To Shatter All Accord (2011) 12,1 (1000 r.) Camel (UK) :
The Snow Goose (Re-recording) (2013) 12,1 (900 r.) All Traps on Earth (S) :
A Drop of Light (2018) 12,4 (700 r.) Motorpsycho (N):
The Death Defying Unicorn (2012) 11,8 (900 r.) Spock’s Beard (US) : Brief Nocturness and Dreamless Sleep (2013)
11,5
(1100 r.) Iamthemorning (Rus) : ~
(2012) 11,5 (1000 r.) The Dear Hunter (US) :
Act IV: Rebirth in Reprise (2015)
11,2 (1200 r.) Kayo Dot (US) :
Hubardo (2013) 10,9 (1400 r.) Thy Catafalque (HUN) : Rengeteg
(2011) 11,2 (1100 r.) Amorphis (FIN) :
Under the Red Cloud (2015) 10,8 (1300 r.) Anubis (Aust) :
A Tower of Silence (2011) 11,9 (700 r.) Birds and Buildings (US) :
Multipurpose Trap (2013) 12,0 (600 r.) Echolyn (US):
Echolyn (2012) 11,8 (700 r.) Comedy of Errors (UK) :
Fanfare & Fantasy (2013) 11,7 (700 r.) Airbag (N) :
All Rights Removed (2011) 11,6 (800 r.) Neal Morse (US) :
Testimony 2 (2011) 11,5 (900 r.) Beardfish (S) :
Mammoth (2011) 11,3 (1000 r.) Threshold (UK) :
March of Progress (2012) 11,3 (1000 r.) Hypnos 69 (B) :
Legacy (2010) 11,5 (800 r.) Magma (F) :
Félicité Thösz (2012) 11,5 (800 r.) Steve Hackett (UK) :
Genesis Revisited II (2012) 11,4 (800 r.) Arch/Matheos (US) :
Sympathetic Resonance (2011) 11,4 (800 r.) Seven Impale (N) :
City of the Sun (2014) 11,6 (600 r.) Diablo Swing
Orchestra (S) : Pandora’s Piñata (2012)
10,9 (1200 r.) Myrath (Tunisia) :
Tales of the Sands (2011) 11,0 (1000 r.) Thank You
Scientist (US) : Maps of Non-existent Places (2012)
11,0
(900 r.) Koenji Hyakkei (J) :
Dhorimviskha (2018) 10,6 (1100 r.) Caligula’s Horse (Aust) :
Bloom (2015) 11,1 (700 r.) This album should have been included in the list: Vektor (USA) : Terminal Redux (2016) USA 15 bands in all, UK 9, S and N 7, Aust 4, CAN and F 2, PL, NL, D, Rus, HUN, FIN, B, Tun and J 1 each The definition of Progressive Rock as a meta-genre,
I've used as a basis for this list, is following: 1. be a synthesis/fusion of Rock
(significantly present) and at least one of other "main
genres": Classical, Jazz, Folk, electronic avant-garde
or other avant-garde, AND 2. be rather complex or at least to
some extent experimental in another way than #1. ”electronic avant-garde” is here
primarily Musique Concrete and Minimalism while ”other avant-garde” include Free
and Avant-Jazz and Contemporary Classical. For the full description
and considerations regarding this definition look here https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127835" rel="nofollow - |
Replies:
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 05:07
I still don't understand the purpose of lists like this if and when one skews it away from the whole! (That is, the self-imposed "1 [one] studio album per band" limitation.) It automatically discounts its value by excluding some of the greatest/highest rated albums from the very period you're sampling. What's the point???  You're just recognizing and applauding 50 bands instead of the 50 "best/highest rated" albums, so why even include album titles? Just list the artist names and be done with it. Silliness… ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 05:29
Hi, To be honest with you, and I don't want to sound cynical, it is my thought (my THOUGHT) that any person doing these numbers is not a listener anyway ... and it's really hard to tell people that, after 500 film reviews (foreign film) I have a hard time choosing a "favorite" or a "top chit". Add to the idea/fact, that I seriously doubt that some of those folks even bother listening to the earlier material anyway to make the distinction that you suggest. At least I could easily say that you have seen a few Bunuel films to make your comments, or Lean films ... but to simply vote for something without even knowing it or having any idea what it is about? It's called the mememememe generation and they don't care. It's all about the socialism in it all and them thinking they are a part of it all! They don't even realize what an oxymoron "progressive" is for them when they post stuff like that!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
BrufordFreak wrote:Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 06:30
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Well, guys, we look very differently at it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 06:44
I love the idea of limiting the Top 50 list to just one album per artist. If it wasn't for that rule, then my own personal Top 50 list would include all of Mostly Autumn's 26 albums.  |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 07:05
| I appreciate the time and effort it took to create this list. Thanks, David. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 07:11
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thanks, Grumpy, and Paul  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 07:24
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These are the albums I know and love from the above list:- Änglagård (S) : Viljans Öga (2012) Steven Wilson (UK) : The Raven that Refused to Sing (2013) IQ (UK) : The Road of Bones (2014) Big Big Train (UK) : English Electric (Part 1) (2012) Ayreon (NL) : The Theory of Everything (2013) Camel (UK) : The Snow Goose (Re-recording) (2013) Steve Hackett (UK) : Genesis Revisited II (2012) |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 08:27
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The ones I enjoy from the list are: Steven Wilson, Rush, Haken, Big Big Train, Wobbler, Discipline, Spock's Beard, Echolyn and Caligula's Horse. My favorite from the list is: Thank You Scientist. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 08:49
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A rather nice selection. I found only four bands by which I should have picked another album. Most notable is Kayo Dot: Coffins on Io or Blasphemy would be a way better choice than Hubardo imho.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 13:29
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The ones I enjoy from the list (in the order they appear in the list): King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard (Aust) : Polygondwanaland (2017) Haken (UK) : The Mountain (2013) IQ (UK) : The Road of Bones (2014) Änglagård (S) : Viljans Öga (2012) Wobbler (N) : From Silence to Somewhere (2017) Phideaux (US) : Snowtorch (2011) All Traps on Earth (S) : A Drop of Light (2018) Motorpsycho (N): The Death Defying Unicorn (2012) ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 20:19
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I love lists like this, especially when I was buying music. Some of my favs. All Traps On Earth Anekdoten Wobbler Anglagard Steven Wilson Riverside ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 06:52
Hi, You are from a different generation, and you were not amidst the issues that we went through to even find that kind of music. Nowadays, folks look at a place like PA, then choose one or two things, and boom ... "I know progressive music" ... and in all honesty, the moment you say that "you know something or other", you just lost sight of that "knowing" as it is called in some places in high level digital-neuro circles ... and replaced it with an "idea" of your own. Sure you can say that "we" look very differently at it", sure, I had open eye surgery to save the eye and see double, but it didn't affect my musical story and tastes! If it's perspective you are looking for, or some consensus ... then you wouldn't create something that is rated in the devil's circles, or in god's circles ... it makes no difference, but it is much easier to support the hollow idea with those numbers that mean nothing to a real artist! You got to take a larger interest in the ART OF IT ALL. Is about the only thing I like to say ... that's not an "idea" ... it's a reality about people and their work!
And for the record, most of us from those days, never had a list, and never saw one. We bought it from the covers, from the titles, from the names of the pieces ... and for me, and even Space Pirate Radio, how it showed its art ... and it has been an important part of this music world. It's just bizarre to me that one has to have a "list" to find something or MEET a new something ... it's a new world (so to speak) and you either meet it with a smile, or go find a list that didn't exist at the time. Moby Disk had thousands of titles, and the only "album" showing, was the one that was being played, and a couple on the wall. Rasputin's was impossible. You walked in into a Pacific Ocean of so much, that if you had a list you would be better served to use it for toilet paper! The three floors (I think it was three or maybe two) of music at the Warehouse in Westwood, was a veritable ... where do I start? You have no idea what this means to your discovery of some music, and how it teaches you some independence, and this is the part that you are objecting ... you can't stand not being a part of everyone agreeing with you! And then you like "progressive music" and don't even realize that it came up from that opposite, and the folks that handled it were less worried about your ideas than they were in theirs ... go ahead ... criticize and "support" your article that makes you feel bigger and better!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 11:42
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I didn't start collecting Prog until around 2005 and there was lots of these lists that I constantly poured over to find the next great record. Lists like this plus reviews certainly made it a lot easier for me to find what I was looking for. I'm glad I started late for this reason because I couldn't go into a record store and buy and album based solely on it's cover, never done that. I've never had the funds to purchase blindly like that. I do my homework and if I don't it's only me I have to blame. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 13:04
There's another load of revisionist bullsh*t to add to the pile of Mosh manure myth. Billboard lists have been around forever, even before you were hatched, Ducky. Creem, Rolling Stone, Circus, Beat and Crawdaddy all had lists, in addition to articles regarding new artists and trends. Lists of artists and albums have been around for a century. It is just presented in a different and more extensive medium today. You. Are. Not. Special. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 09 2022 at 02:23
Hi, You are into pop music, STILL. There was no listing for "progressive" music in those days. Many of those "lists" came later. The only lists in the late 60's were that which the record companies decided was the top stuff so you bought it. And places like Moby Disk, for as much as they had in "imports" never had a list that I could find ... they just played stuff straight out ... and it was a treat. But you wouldn't know that, and would not believe it, of course, because your reality is the truth and everyone else is crap. Please stop discussing your closet as someone else's! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 09 2022 at 23:31
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I can tell that the last 15 years, I've made many top lists of different countries and periods of time with the purpose to become knowledgeable about the most appreciated albums and bands, and that due to: 1. explore and find albums and bands, I could like 2. as a part of my work as "music journalist" 3. simply because I've been curious and liked to do it. The last couple of years, I've published some of these top lists, being convinced about that many other people can make good use of them, too - and I can assure that it takes a lot of time to make lists like that. It ain't easy in other ways, either.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 07:34
Hi, To be honest, I never ever created a list of things that I "wanted to hear" since I knew that things tended to "come to me" just as much as I "came to them" ... and this helped create the excitement of not knowing much about a lot of new things, which to me, has always been important, and the main reason why another record by any band is often not the best idea for me. I like the diversity and the differences. I like to explore the "universe", not to become some sort of a "music journalist", which I do not consider myself to be one, and would not want to be one of them, although some folks that have posted in some other threads here about film, will definitely say something very different about my discussions of film and its details, when most people can only say they like it or they don't. FOR ME, it is all about the details that make it valuable, and a lot of "lists" and "top of the poop" stuff is not valuable in that too much is repeated and there is a very small variation in the styles and types of music. The list above, is a nice one, I would never doubt that, but I have to tell you that 55 years ago, I learned about my tastes and touches, without a single list. And for me, it is the only way to FIND music that really shines, because one or two things will simply blow your mind like LSD never could! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 08:21
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Know most of these bands, but far from all of the albums. A lot of those albums on the list, I know I'll will never give a listen. I really like these: King Gizzard :
Polygondwanaland Blood Incantation:
Hidden History of the Human Race + Kayo Dot:
Hubardo ...is good btw: Swans - To Be Kind is RYMs no. 1 album for 2014 (all genres included) -has 268 reviews, over 22000 ratings and a 4.00 average |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 09:54
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My own favourite on this list is Hypnos 69 (B) : Legacy (2010) 11,5 (800 r.) ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 12 2022 at 01:09
Yes, but when I worked out this list, I didn't find this album to be in line with the Prog Rock definition, I used as basis for making it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 03:41
Thank you for that list !  I've got 23 of these albums.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 03:51
Aallriight, then your collection certainly includes some of the most appreciated 2010's albums - which I in general am fond of concerning my collection. And thanks!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 04:47
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 06:37
When working out a list like this one, many decisions about what to include must be taken, as RYM's definition of Progressive Rock is very different from PA's. On RYM for instance, To Be Kind is not considered to be Prog. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 06:40
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 06:50
It's not that simple, as I see it, because the number of ratings on PA was very small comparing to the one on RYM, so To Be Kind would absolutely not come on this top list if only counting PA ratings. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 06:54
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Lol, really feels that simple to me, but you just don't want Swans on your list, do you:) Or did it factually not "qualify"? |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 09:13
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^^ The point of this is that it's about combined chart lists, though isn't it? So I would have thought that "To Be Kind would absolutely not come on this top list if only counting PA ratings" was not a particularly relevant comment. I find it interesting seeing the differences between the two sites and have done topics on that before. I know, David, from your comment in your Eclectic Prog themed topic that you don't consider Swans to be Prog according to your definition, and from this topic that you don't consider To Be Kind to be a Prog album. Have you listened to To Be Kind in full and all the albums in your top 50 to see how well they fit your definition? I would think that this would be a better exercise if you tried your best to limit your personal biases when making the list, but I am interested in the specifics of why this album does not meet your criteria as well (even if I think it should be more of an aside and I would rather approach such things in a way that is more inclusive and not exclusive according to my biases). I understand that because RYM does not list Swans as Prog it may have been missed for the list, not that you have this is a reason -- they use Experimental Rock/ Post Rock for the album, but experimental post-rock comes under the Prog umbrella at PA and it has relations with other music deemed Prog in PA -- and especially easy to miss because PA does not list the album nearly as high. That said, if I were making such lists I would like to be updating and amending them and taking on suggestions (I mentioned before that I love synthesis). I suggest calculating that album from the PA and RYM ratings and seeing how it fits in the list, and maybe adding it. To me it would be applicable to the list. That said, I am interested in the details of why you or another don't think a specific album applicable to a Prog list. Debating what is and isn't Prog has been a lifeblood of PA even if it can get tiresome after all these years as it seems there is rarely much progress and we don't as a community achieve consensus. Late edit for bad typo. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 16:46
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Regarding To Be Kind, there're many very relevant questions to relate to, and it would be too complicated and difficult for me to describe how I look at it. But let me just tell that I consider this list to be a historical document, one can't just change. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 13 2022 at 17:00
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^ Then maybe this "historical document" made in January 2020 should have remained in the past. Just a thought. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 14 2022 at 01:51
By "historical document" I mean, among other things, that this list is made on basis of the ratings in January 2020, and if it should be "corrected", it should be on basis of these ratings. - I can tell that the number of the ratings on RYM increases with much higher speed than the one on PA, so the number of ratings in January 2020 was much smaller than the one today. How much smaller, it varies very much for different bands and different albums, so what it was for To Be Kind can be a very good question. - But anyway, it's still just one of many questions, when talking about adding To Be Kind to the list today - which by the way makes me curious and wanting to give this album a new listen, even the cover alone already predicts problems.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 15 2022 at 14:23
My general method for deciding which albums to include was as the first thing RYM's and PA's classifications. If both sites agreed to consider an album as Progressive Rock, I very rarely, if at all, opposed. If only PA did, I decided it on the basis of my definition and knowledge of the album in question. In general, I can tell that my definition is much more including than RYM's but less including than what has become a part of PA's database.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 16 2022 at 15:55
But what is your opinion, Greg, would you say that To Be Kind meets the requirements of my Prog definition? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 16 2022 at 23:45
Btw: I'm quite certain Vektor - Terminal Redux with their 3:82 average from 5505 ratings, 86 reviews and Progressive Metal-tag on RYM (16th for 2014, all genres included) + 3:93 from 142 ratings and 9 reviews on PA is missing from your list as well.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 17 2022 at 02:30
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 17 2022 at 05:46
Yes, that must have been a miss, but RYM's main label for the band and for this album is Technical Trash Metal which can be the explanation for the miss, as it wasn't on PA's top list. I'll mention it at the end of the list.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 17 2022 at 15:39
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regretted ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 24 2022 at 06:07
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refresh ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: DreamTechPlus
Date Posted: July 21 2022 at 03:54
Precisely to avoid that which you fear. Some artists have greater clout and exposure and, by limiting it to one per artist, we're better able to highlight works and not just prop up some artist's whole discography. Love, DreamTechPlus.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 22 2022 at 13:02
| Great stuff on that RYM list. RYM is pretty useful when it comes to recommendations. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: July 26 2022 at 07:40
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Swans are Prog. Problem solved. ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 10 2022 at 05:28
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Inspired by Paul's national considerations concerning his recent discoveries for years 2000-2010, and similarly to my top 160 all-time list, hereby national statistics for the bands on my list in this thread: USA 15 bands in all,
UK 9, S and N 7, Aust 4, CAN and F 2, PL, NL, D, Rus, HUN, FIN, B, Tun and J 1
each When compared to the 1970s, it seems to show that UK has indeed got competition from USA, Sweden and Norway, these 4 countries being the most prolific ones, while Germany and Italy (not on this list at all) have come far behind.
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