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moshkito 
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Hi, I think that a couple more of old timers that think "traditionalistically" and then vote in a cheap group with a first album they will never repeat again before turning into pop music ... would have to retire or slow down. TGD may not be here, but the long cuts and the atmosphere they brought to the music itself is such a huge part of "progressive" ... unless of course you got the fanboys that have to have the loud guitar solo (that doesn't even fit in the actual music itself!), and some sort of blue guitar to satisfy a book, and a green drummer to show he can't do anything except keep time, and who thinks that his drumming is what makes the music ... someday, maybe someday ... we will know the difference!
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 07:54 |
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I'm a Grateful Dead fan too, but I'll more than likely be ungratefully dead before they ever get added to the hallowed halls of Prog Archives.
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Heart of the Matter
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 08:13 |
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Maybe (just maybe), if you let in Traffic, then you'd have to let in... Cream
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Cristi
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 08:23 |
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Traffic are on PA.
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Logan
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 08:25 |
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Or Santana, although Santana is more here for Caravanserai than bluesy material like "Hope You're Feeling Better" off Abraxas. I was listening to that tack the other day after many years and associating it with Cream. Mind you Wheels of Fire and Abraxas were two of my favourite albums at the same time of my teenage life.
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progaardvark
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 10:10 |
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You certainly have my support in this regard.  I think it would be cool to have Scott Walker here too, if only for what he accomplished during the latter part of his career.
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Logan
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 10:40 |
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I had an idea to write a bio for a "true story"* of the Shaggs, how they were actually professionally trained musicians, as well as being anthropologists and sociologists, that enlisted a Nobel prize winning philosopher who was also an acclaimed poet to pen the lyrics. They set out to make a seemingly primitivist avant-garde album with a deep social message (I doubt many get the allegorical nature of My Pal Foot Foot) as something of a social experiment and performance art. They hired those young girls to pose as the band, rather like with Milli Vanilli's singers posing as the actual singers to create an image in pop culture. If The Beatles is here and Zappa did say that The Shaggs is better than The Beatles, and Zappa is an important presence in PA, then surely The Shaggs should be too, to be Frank. ;)
Scott Walker would be an interesting addition which of course has been discussed before. I have only heard The Drift and Tilt in full. * a true story since it's a story that I truly thought of while in the shower one day, which is where I seem to get most of my ideas. Water on the brain some might say. Edited by Logan - October 02 2021 at 10:41 |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 11:04 |
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Except...it's not a true story. And Zappa never said that about the Beatles either (a misquote by Lester Bangs). My favorite Shagg reference was from a critic who said the Shaggs sounded "like lobotomized Trapp family singers."
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 11:11 |
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If you all continue like this, I'm going to propose Britney Spears for inclusion on PA... She was really progressive in her pop art.
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Cristi
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 11:13 |
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pop-art? I forgot, I've got to lighten up, let the ridiculousness and the trolling flow!
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Gordy
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 11:19 |
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I'm working on his bio for a future suggestion submission! And the Shaggs are great, let's get them in under RIO/Avant or Krautrock
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Logan
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 11:36 |
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It is a true story as it is truly a story in the sense of being an imaginary account from my probably not imaginary brain. As for the Zappa one, thus the "If..." Thanks for the info, I had forgotten Lester Bangs (you might have been the one to tell me before when I mentioned that oft quoted Zappa misquote. And I love that critics quote. ------------------------------------------- Me getting philosophical again and using others expressed notions as a jumping off point for my own noodling thoughts. By the way, I don't see these posts as trolling, but I'd have to know how one defines the term. Trolling was to me commonly a deliberate deception and attempt meant to antagonise and disrupt others and seeks to elicit a reaction. I think sometimes kidding around is confused with trolling by some. It comes down to intent. The reason why the saying is "Don't feed the trolls" is because they are looking for a reaction. I was a troll before I knew what a troll was. I wish I had a record of my posts from a Queer As Folk forum in the early 2000s. That was actually more like multi-character story telling as I was writing both a play and a screenplay then for university courses and it helped to get my creative juices going, but that they were so nice that I felt terrible about the deception (I thought the story-telling nature rather than truth would be obvious, but I continued even though people were taking me in good faith, and if they were suspicious, they didn't say). I used to tell my kids, you're more likely to be bullied bully you if you react negatively and take offence easily and to be quicker to laugh rather than to complain and all that jazz, and don't be a buzzkill. Be cool, be casual, don't whine I still have to remind myself sometimes when I'm having a bad day. From a deeply meaningful song to me that helped me in my teenage years (I spent half a year of being bullied mercilessly in grade eight when I went to a new school, but I learnt how to deal with it and it stopped): "If it's getting harder to face every day Don't let it show, don't let it show Though it's getting harder to take what they say Just let it go, just let it go..." (Don't Let it Show by The Alan Parsons Project). Edited by Logan - October 02 2021 at 11:45 |
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lazland
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 12:33 |
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Actually, there is probably a damned fine concept album in the utterly ridiculous media storm around her and her father.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 14:28 |
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Baker & Bruce hated each other, but they agreed on one thing: "Cream was a jazz band... but we never told Clapton" |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Posted: October 02 2021 at 16:10 |
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