Are Certain Genres Not "Music"? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

BaldJean wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

Bird songs have rhythm, pitch, repeating melodic motifs with variations and are used for specific communications.

Sounds like music to me. They are very intelligent and do not babble a bunch of nonsense with no purpose.

on the cover of the Guru Guru album "Mani und seine Freunde" Mani Neumeier thanks "my friends the birds who I consider to be the true professional musicians"

Yeah, i agree with that. Nature is a form of music above and beyond human comprehension. All of our inspiration is derived from natural forces so in effect, we are just imitators of patterns of reality already established. When defining musical genres though, i think that's what limits the spectrum to what humans find pleasing enough to define as genres Smile

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^ Correct. There have been a lot of studies about what bird songs are about and what they are communicating. Composer Oliver Messian was an avid student of bird songs and utilized them in his many compositions.

Edited by Easy Money - March 16 2021 at 10:33

Fantastic idea but it's clearly not prog and wouldn't get passed any of the sub team panels. Not even the avant panheads, home off all things prog not prog.

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SteveG wrote:

Grumpyprogfan wrote:

If indeed nature sounds are music, as many here believe, I encourage the genre teams and admins to be leaders and include a PA genre for "Nature Sounds"? I would love to read the reviews on such music... "Well its seems on "Birds Chirping - Volume 7" the songs are starting to sound the same. The magic heard on Volume 2, when Bluebird 5 was lead chirper, is long long gone. Did anyone hear the woodpecker off time in the background? That really ruined my enjoyment of this album...." Wink

File Under Avant/RIO.

Title the album "Cheep Trills".

...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...

I bet the Steven Wilson 7.1 mix would sound stellar.

Along the lines of John Cage's 4'33", if you created a score that says something along the lines of "the sounds that occur between x time and y time" or something similar and then recorded the bird sounds that occur between said times, then there would be a musical work that has been created, which exists in the classical tradition (more precisely, a part of the music culture associated with Academia). (To be more precise, the musical work would exist whether the recording is made or not. The recording would simply be a recording of one performance of said work. Furthermore, I think the work would exist when a composer comes up with the performance details of the work and somehow takes the step to set those details in proverbial stone, which doesn't necessarily require a score to be created, but creating a score is one way to do that.)

The audio itself would also be music in some zen-esque "there are no non-musical sounds" sense (or whatever that is about), whether that score had been created or not.

It wouldn't be music in the "pitched and unpitched sounds produced by humans playing instruments and organized in a way that produces something with some combination of melodies, rhythms, and harmonies that is coherent within a diatonic context akin to 'Mary Had a Little Lamb'" sense or however you want to phrase it

I don't think it would be prog for any definition of prog in widespread use

Edited by Erenan - March 16 2021 at 13:22

progaardvark wrote:

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fantastic idea but it's clearly not prog and wouldn't get passed any of the sub team panels. Not even the avant panheads, home off all things prog not prog.

I haven't listened to enough prog metal to know if this would be suitable for PA, but about a year ago I found this microtonal metal band that has a parrot as its vocalist.

https://naegleriafowleri.bandcamp.com/album/life-cycle

If you think the prog metal team would be interested, please be my guest.

this is some much funny, many thanks for sharing, it is unironically making my day right now

Grumpyprogfan wrote:

If indeed nature sounds are music, as many here believe, I encourage the genre teams and admins to be leaders and include a PA genre for "Nature Sounds"? I would love to read the reviews on such music... "Well its seems on "Birds Chirping - Volume 7" the songs are starting to sound the same. The magic heard on Volume 2, when Bluebird 5 was lead chirper, is long long gone. Did anyone hear the woodpecker off time in the background? That really ruined my enjoyment of this album...." Wink

Considering birds have been around much longer than humans, wouldn't that be some of the most regressive music ever? If it was just the bird sounds. I assume we would have to accept Homo erectus and Homo fiorensis music next, haha.

"now one bird is chirping in 4/4, while another dissonantly chirps in 5/4, every 4 measures...."

-Robird Fripp and Adrian Birdlew on Flock by Flock (1981)

The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes