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Poll Question: Which do you like best?
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Those albums are masterpieces.. or I will never post on here again.
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^ Please don't do that (not post again)

Personally I think none of them are masterpieces as albums because ELP didn't roll that way. The politics in the group meant that all the giant size egos had to be satisfied. However in my view BSS is the closest. You only need to lose 2 tracks and add the song called Brain Salad Surgery and you have it.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Please don't do that (not post again)

Personally I think none of them are masterpieces as albums because ELP didn't roll that way. The politics in the group meant that all the giant size egos had to be satisfied. However in my view BSS is the closest. You only need to lose 2 tracks and add the song called Brain Salad Surgery and you have it.




See you should have been their manager. The albums would have been tighter and Love Beach likely never would have happened lol. I know people view songs like Benny the Bouncer and Jeremy Bender as throwaways, but to me they're part of what makes ELP ELP. It all fits in a weird kind of way, to me anyway. No again, Love Beach.. they went too far there. That was a career killer(almost) unfortunately for them.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Please don't do that (not post again)

Personally I think none of them are masterpieces as albums because ELP didn't roll that way. The politics in the group meant that all the giant size egos had to be satisfied. However in my view BSS is the closest. You only need to lose 2 tracks and add the song called Brain Salad Surgery and you have it.




Unfortunatley for me, one of those songs is Karn Evil 9 (the whole thing).
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Please don't do that (not post again)

Personally I think none of them are masterpieces as albums because ELP didn't roll that way. The politics in the group meant that all the giant size egos had to be satisfied. However in my view BSS is the closest. You only need to lose 2 tracks and add the song called Brain Salad Surgery and you have it.




Unfortunatley for me, one of those songs is Karn Evil 9 (the whole thing).
 

I can live with that as long as the other track is not Toccata

KE9 is massively over the top and has many weaknesses but I love it because of the total madness of it (and some extraordinary playing). ELP just went for it and yes all the prog hate clichés apply tenfold!
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

For me, it is the debut, coupled with having seen them perform in support of it on their first US tour.  But I have really vivid memories of many a road trip beginning with "Tarkus," and loved all of these....also Pictures At An Exhibition.


I'm not old enough to remember, but I've heard that when they were touring to support Tarkus they were just about the biggest band around.

Probably true, I saw every tour up through Brain Salad Surgery.

When reading the music mags in those days, they won just about every poll they were in.The only other, I remember winning was Ian Anderson ,for 'other' instrument.
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nr 1 - Tarkus. title track is a masterpiece. "Are you ready Eddy" also sets good mood in the end.
nr 2 - Brain Salad. "Welcome my friends to the show that never ends"! 
nr 3 - Trilogy. Kind of uneven and disjointed album, although it has great opening and closing numbers 
nr 4 - ELP (debute). I only like two songs from it (Barbarian and Knife-Edge), the rest i usually skip 


if you look through, it looks like some mandatory qualities in every ELP albums:
-every album must have long, epic and complex composition with bombastic keyboards and drums
-every album must have Greg Lake's ballad 
-every album must have one rock-n-roll number
-every album must have one classical music piece interpretation



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Originally posted by gr8dane gr8dane wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

For me, it is the debut, coupled with having seen them perform in support of it on their first US tour.  But I have really vivid memories of many a road trip beginning with "Tarkus," and loved all of these....also Pictures At An Exhibition.


I'm not old enough to remember, but I've heard that when they were touring to support Tarkus they were just about the biggest band around.

Probably true, I saw every tour up through Brain Salad Surgery.

When reading the music mags in those days, they won just about every poll they were in.The only other, I remember winning was Ian Anderson ,for 'other' instrument.
 

I remember Jon Anderson winning the lead vocal poll quite regularly and Chris Squire the bass poll also.

If we are talking Melody Maker poll then Carl Palmer won every year from 1971 to 1977 which was pretty remarkable. Keith Emerson won the keyboard poll most of those years except 1975 and 1976 when Rick Wakeman won it. They were always 1 and 2 if I recall correctly!
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Tarkus, The Debut and Trilogy. Brain Salad Surgery is a little behind.
 


Agreed 
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Interesting to see that the albums are just about equal in the voting.....I chose the debut back in Oct 2019....
to me it will always be the best...or most true thing they did. This was before all the egos did get in the way and imo they were just making music after getting together and discovering what they could do as a band.
There are of course some great tracks on the next 3 studio lp's but none of those achieved that atmosphere imho as the first one did..it was fresh and unique.
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Pictures at an Exhibition.
But from this list, Tarkus.
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The tight voting reflects my own conflict - today it's Tarkus, but tomorrow it could be Trilogy and at the weekend it could be Brain Salad Surgery. On saying that, the debut is superb and what about Pictures? 😂
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Hmmm....I wasn't aware of this but looking at the PA page...the debut has the highest rating...by a small amount.
ELP 4.23
Tarkus 4.06
Trilogy 4.13
Brain Salad 4.13
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Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

The tight voting reflects my own conflict - today it's Tarkus, but tomorrow it could be Trilogy and at the weekend it could be Brain Salad Surgery. On saying that, the debut is superb and what about Pictures? 😂


I didn't figure it had a chance to win, but certainly you can 'write in vote' for it.

Surprised this poll is still going.. and Brain Salad Surgery is still in last place. Oh well majority rules, but I don't agree with it.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Interesting to see that the albums are just about equal in the voting.....I chose the debut back in Oct 2019....
to me it will always be the best...or most true thing they did. This was before all the egos did get in the way and imo they were just making music after getting together and discovering what they could do as a band.
There are of course some great tracks on the next 3 studio lp's but none of those achieved that atmosphere imho as the first one did..it was fresh and unique.
 

ELP were always 'Ego driven' to some extent although the least ego driven album they did for me is easily Black Moon. The debut allowed them to be very self indulgent indeed.The whole of side two was dedicated to their own music and songs. Its well known that Fripp wouldn't allow Lake to record Lucky Man with KC but he had the chance to do it with ELP. Palmer did his Buddy rich homage on Tank and the wild genius of Emerson springs forth on The Three Fates. Its all very eclectic but never quite gelled for me.
Of the early period I reckon that Trilogy is the closest to a proper 'ensemble' album bar the last track maybe. Lake had more room on the song writing side and Palmer is much more supportive with his drumming not really attempting so many technical frills (and fills) as he did on Tarkus and BSS. That's a very nice album and the one I would expect to be highest rated on PA although I suspect that it is Abaddon's Bolero that supresses the rating. Often regarded as Emerson again over indulging on the synths/or just copying Wendy Carlos (which he readily admitted to doing) although I've always loved that track personally.
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Read Danny Baker's wonderful article on ELP in the latest 'Prog' magazine.  Essential.
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Heard Abaddon's Bolero on 'Works Live' - then think again!
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ELP = Egoistic, Longwinded & Pretentious. LOL
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Interesting to see that the albums are just about equal in the voting.....I chose the debut back in Oct 2019....
to me it will always be the best...or most true thing they did. This was before all the egos did get in the way and imo they were just making music after getting together and discovering what they could do as a band.
There are of course some great tracks on the next 3 studio lp's but none of those achieved that atmosphere imho as the first one did..it was fresh and unique.
While my favourite track is Tarkus I very much agree with you there, it's their best album as a whole.
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