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Atavachron 
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 Posted: March 23 2020 at 14:37 |
S.F. has been almost utopic with far fewer cars & foot traffic, low pollution, and almost zero crime. It's been kinda nice.
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 14:43 |
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PM Boris Johnson just announced lockdown in UK from tonight. Hmm in light of many peoples activities this weekend, not surprised at all!
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 14:57 |
 Atavachron wrote:
S.F. has been almost utopic with far fewer cars & foot traffic, low pollution, and almost zero crime. It's been kinda nice.
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South Florida can be such a nice place  Denmark is experiencing something similar and with the add-on of sunshine and an altogether milder weather...well it’s been kinda nice.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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lazland
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 15:17 |
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
PM Boris Johnson just announced lockdown in UK from tonight. Hmm in light of many peoples activities this weekend, not surprised at all! |
Nope. What times we live in, eh?
It would have been better if he could have clarified precisely what constitutes essential work, though. The Tube, trains, and etc. have been rammed today with commuters.
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MortSahlFan
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 16:02 |
Atavachron wrote:
MortSahlFan wrote:
Day 6 of this flu |
Feeling any better at all ?
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I'm not better, but not worse.. When I get the flu, it seems to be weeks before I'm to where I was before catching it.
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richardh
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 16:12 |
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
PM Boris Johnson just announced lockdown in UK from tonight. Hmm in light of many peoples activities this weekend, not surprised at all! |
Nope. What times we live in, eh?
It would have been better if he could have clarified precisely what constitutes essential work, though. The Tube, trains, and etc. have been rammed today with commuters. |
Did he say essential work though? I may have to go back and listen again but the gist was don't travel to work unless you can't do that work at home.
I'm an accountant and many may consider my work to be non essential ( I wouldn't be offended at all for anyone to say that) but then I am in charge of calculating payroll for many clients. Could they do it themselves? Perhaps but it would be a right mess!
I did go into work today but in the light of the PM's announcement that must surely be it. I don't want to be stopped by the cops and have to explain myself. Its definitely going that way but its has to for the long term good of everyone. My parents are in their 80's , not in the best health and this will literally kill them if they get it.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 21:23 |
Is there any reason you couldn't do that accounting work from home? All data you need should be available in a company network, and it would be its responsibility to see that you have access. Why should this be your decision?
I wonder what would happen if companies were given the responsibility of declaring themselves essential or not, and if they think they are, they would be held accountable (no pun intended) for their decision. Why should individual employees be burdened with the responsibility of deciding that?
Edited by npjnpj - March 23 2020 at 21:29
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 22:13 |
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My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way.
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King of Loss
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 22:18 |
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way.
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It will not be the same. Most economists that I've talked to think that the economy will be as bad as the Great Depression.
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lazland
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 00:39 |
richardh wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
PM Boris Johnson just announced lockdown in UK from tonight. Hmm in light of many peoples activities this weekend, not surprised at all! |
Nope. What times we live in, eh?
It would have been better if he could have clarified precisely what constitutes essential work, though. The Tube, trains, and etc. have been rammed today with commuters. |
Did he say essential work though? I may have to go back and listen again but the gist was don't travel to work unless you can't do that work at home.
I'm an accountant and many may consider my work to be non essential ( I wouldn't be offended at all for anyone to say that) but then I am in charge of calculating payroll for many clients. Could they do it themselves? Perhaps but it would be a right mess!
I did go into work today but in the light of the PM's announcement that must surely be it. I don't want to be stopped by the cops and have to explain myself. Its definitely going that way but its has to for the long term good of everyone. My parents are in their 80's , not in the best health and this will literally kill them if they get it.
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Well, watching the news this morning, he said don’t go to work unless it is essential that you do so, which is not quite the same as essential work, is it? That is the trouble with policy made up on the hoof, it always leads to more questions than answers (no criticism of him, btw. This is a difficult situation for HMG).
My take on this, and I have had to ask for guidance from senior people in my department, is that you come into work only if that work cannot be done remotely, or that you are engaged in tasks essential to keep this country running essential services and that cannot be done remotely.
In terms of payroll, well people have to be paid, and there will be a lot of agents on the phone or online to HMRC for the government salary scheme, but I would be astounded if that could not be done remotely without the commute.
Of course, Richard, I regard accountancy as an essential job. Your clients keep me in work, after all 
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lazland
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 00:46 |
King of Loss wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way.
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It will not be the same. Most economists that I've talked to think that the economy will be as bad as the Great Depression. |
Usually I would take economists predictions about the economy with a massive pinch of salt. Soothsayers they ain’t
However, what is certain is that there will have to be changes.
My prediction? Beware the laws of unintended consequences. The simple is is that we do not know, but this will, IMO, be the biggest change in economics and society since the end of the last war.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 01:36 |
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I'm surprised that only men and women are effected, and not all the genders in between.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 06:50 |
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At this point I would like to give a shout out to Senator Rand Paul, who has managed to shove a hand grenade up the US government all on his lonesome. Way to go, Rand!
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:02 |
richardh wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
PM Boris Johnson just announced lockdown in UK from tonight. Hmm in light of many peoples activities this weekend, not surprised at all! |
Nope. What times we live in, eh?
It would have been better if he could have clarified precisely what constitutes essential work, though. The Tube, trains, and etc. have been rammed today with commuters. |
Did he say essential work though? I may have to go back and listen again but the gist was don't travel to work unless you can't do that work at home.
I'm an accountant and many may consider my work to be non essential ( I wouldn't be offended at all for anyone to say that) but then I am in charge of calculating payroll for many clients. Could they do it themselves? Perhaps but it would be a right mess!
I did go into work today but in the light of the PM's announcement that must surely be it. I don't want to be stopped by the cops and have to explain myself. Its definitely going that way but its has to for the long term good of everyone. My parents are in their 80's , not in the best health and this will literally kill them if they get it.
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That's where a lot of us are Rich. There's not enough clarity. I work in crop protection research, which is only essential in the short term in a very round about tenuous way, but we have all these split shifts and isolation practices in place at work right now to minimise contact etc. Many in my team are starting to question if we should be here at all, and I'm inclined to think we shouldn't. I can do most of what I do from home, as can some of my reports but our strategy entails having some management here at all times, so home working, so far has been on a rota. That may change from today, but we're still waiting for an announcement from on high in our company. I don't want to be pulled over by the cops and have to explain myself, but I think it's going down that route, with checkpoints and having to show 'papers' as I believe they are currently having to do in France.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:04 |
npjnpj wrote:
At this point I would like to give a shout out to Senator Rand Paul, who has managed to shove a hand grenade up the US government all on his lonesome. Way to go, Rand!
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If only he would literally do that to the orange moron in chief.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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chopper
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:50 |
First day of total lockdown, which is pretty much what we were doing anyway as I can work from home permanently. We're allowed one walk a day, so mine will be 20 miles and last for 8 hours.
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Atavachron
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Joined: September 30 2006
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:56 |
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way. |
It has been socially interesting, and a good change of pace.
The people I feel really bad for are the ones who'd just started something like a business, marriage, homeownership, etc.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 09:25 |
Atavachron wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way. |
It has been socially interesting, and a good change of pace.
The people I feel really bad for are the ones who'd just started something like a business, marriage, homeownership, etc.
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NYC sucks right now. Nothing peaceful about this sh*t.
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dr wu23
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Location: Indiana
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 09:36 |
I live in Northwest Indiana...not much happens here anyway...so....I hope it stays calm. Family and friends are ok....for now.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
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npjnpj
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Points: 2720
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 09:45 |
Trump is apparently planning to send the under 40s back to work on very short notice.
I think that Trump supporters should be required to give the Terminator thumbs-up just before they snuff it in the hospital corridors.
Edited by npjnpj - March 24 2020 at 09:47
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