Atavachron wrote:

I understand that and I'm not against it, but it does nothing to actually help people, it just provides numbers to doctors that will change soon anyway. If a community can't handle the patients that need care, testing does nothing to change that.

What we need en masse are not test kits, but home ventilators and plenty of flu medicine so if you do get it at least you can have some small comfort at home.

David, an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That's as true now as it was in Ben Franklin's time. Prevent people from getting ill and you won't have to worry about treating them.

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SteveG wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

I understand that and I'm not against it, but it does nothing to actually help people, it just provides numbers to doctors that will change soon anyway. If a community can't handle the patients that need care, testing does nothing to change that.

What we need en masse are not test kits, but home ventilators and plenty of flu medicine so if you do get it at least you can have some small comfort at home.

David, an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That's as true now as it was in Ben Franklin's time. Prevent people from getting ill and you won't have to worry about treating them.

I’m sorry, Steve, but if I understand you correctly, you are wrong. Testing has never prevented any spread of infection. It just tells you how many have been infected, and even then it is fairly worthless because the overwhelming majority of people getting this will not be ill enough to warrant testing anyway, so the numbers are horribly skewed to make this virus seem worse than it actually is.

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SteveG wrote:

lazland wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

I understand that and I'm not against it, but it does nothing to actually help people, it just provides numbers to doctors that will change soon anyway. If a community can't handle the patients that need care, testing does nothing to change that.

What we need en masse are not test kits, but home ventilators and plenty of flu medicine so if you do get it at least you can have some small comfort at home.

David, an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That's as true now as it was in Ben Franklin's time. Prevent people from getting ill and you won't have to worry about treating them.

I’m sorry, Steve, but if I understand you correctly, you are wrong. Testing has never prevented any spread of infection. It just tells you how many have been infected, and even then it is fairly worthless because the overwhelming majority of people getting this will not be ill enough to warrant testing anyway, so the numbers are horribly skewed to make this virus seem worse than it actually is.

I’m sorry, Steve, but if I understand you correctly, you are wrong. Wink

If we test people who are not symptomatic, then we isolate the right people and reduce the spread. I don't see a need for testing otherwise, as their symptoms would be obvious.

Naturally, I accept that once a positive test has been performed, and that person isolated, then he or she will, in theory, not infect anybody else. However, given that they would have been running about for days on end before the test infecting others, then the test, in itself, will not have prevented the spread of the infection prior to the test, and the same with those others before testing, and so on, and so forth.

My understanding of what you are saying is that you would like to see a mass test of every citizen? In order to then isolate those who are positive? Quite apart from the fact that the infrastructure for such actions is patently not there, certainly here and where you live, isn’t that a tad over the top?

I am a news junky. I love reading, listening, and watching current affairs. However, we are now in our third day of a news channel ban in the house. I still read the paper, but rather wish that I don’t. It is on all day and night. Constant barrage, and it reminds me very much of visiting clerics in centuries past putting the fear of God into simple residents by promising eternal hellfire if said simple folk did not obey this religious stricture, or that particular clerical rule. Mass fear is nearly always more dangerous to a society than the causation. The economic fallout from this is likely to be shocking. The ability of governments of all shapes, sizes, and political colour to impose draconian measures in the name of an emergency is something all free thinking people should always shy away from, and be fearful of.

An example. Those face masks worn by absolutely everybody in China. Those people wear them because they are told to. They have absolutely nil impact on stopping any virus. Also, by the way, they don’t particularly help to combat the appalling air pollution uniquely created by their very own rulers in the first place. Why wear them, then? Because, on pain of punishment, they have to. They have to conform. That makes them a very docile and easily manipulated population, which suits their rather nasty government very well indeed, because a fearful population is easier to control. Just like those medieval populations I referred to earlier.

I do not wish to put across that I do not care about Covid-19 at all. Quite clearly, there is a section of the population for whom this is very dangerous indeed. It is not, however, a repeat of the bubonic plague, or 1918 “Spanish flu “, and I find the continuous media and internet reporting far more distressing.

Let me give an example. Yesterday, the Wales v Scotland rugby international in Cardiff was called off at the last minute. Organisers and governments are cancelling events left right and centre, which will have a huge impact on the long term for people’s well-being and economic health. Yet, at the same time, I was expected this week, alongside millions of others worldwide, to carry on travelling on public transport (packed with people) and attend meetings in offices, not the healthiest of environments, as if everything was carrying on as normal. How do you explain such stupidity, if this really was a humanity threatening plague? I read in the paper this morning that the Czech government has closed its borders (no doubt quite gleefully - bloody foreigners, eh?), and is closing bars and restaurants of an evening. However, people are still expected to go to work as normal. How bloody stupid is that?

Experts. Half of the world now seems to be in a state of emergency. However, here Boris and the scientist boffins are saying that actually a build up to herd immunity is a good thing. The WHO are calling them imbecilic. Both of them cannot be right, can they?

Without wishing to in any way mitigate the impact on those who have, or will, lose loved ones, I find this whole saga deeply distressing, and the coverage of it deeply depressing. 600,000 people a year die from flu alone. That is considered normal. The scare stories and deeply intrusive actions taken over a virus which has barely infected, what, some 150,000 persons worldwide out of a population running into the billions, and with a likely death rate of less than 1% if you factor in all those people who experience extremely mild symptoms, and not, therefore, tested, strikes me as being of far more concern in the long run.

We are being infantilised. As a lifelong cynic and polemicist, I wonder to what end.

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