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 Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:18 |
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^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?
Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff. |
I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.
Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.
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Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds. |
Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.
I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases. |
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting.
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:21 |
Mortte wrote:
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Mortte wrote:
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Mortte wrote:
^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?
Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff. |
I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.
Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.
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Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds. |
Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.
I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases. |
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting. |
I'd say Snakes and Arrows is better than Vapour Trails, but only just. VT is heavy, monotonous and IMO badly produced.
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:26 |
Blacksword wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Mortte wrote:
^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?
Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff. |
I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.
Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.
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Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds. |
Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.
I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases. |
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting. |
I'd say Snakes and Arrows is better than Vapour Trails, but only just. VT is heavy, monotonous and IMO badly produced. |
Okey, thanx, I won´t waste my time to that, not sounding at all the album I want to listen.
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:33 |
Symphony X sticks very closely to a proggy, neoclassical power metal sort of sound, even if their more recent couple are more heavy. Cool band, but one that have a specific sound that they don't deviate too much from.
Thank You Scientist have more or less made the same album 3 times, just refining their core sound with each one. Another case of the band being quite good regardless
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:38 |
Mortte wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Mortte wrote:
^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?
Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff. |
I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.
Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.
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Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds. |
Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.
I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases. |
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting. |
I'd say Snakes and Arrows is better than Vapour Trails, but only just. VT is heavy, monotonous and IMO badly produced. |
Okey, thanx, I won´t waste my time to that, not sounding at all the album I want to listen. |
There is the Vapor Trails remixed version though, which was done to "fix" the production issues.
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 07:35 |
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Another negative thread. Yippie! |
I don't see this thread as negative. Much more interesting than your duo polls of ancient bands that has been repeated for years. |
When the duo polls only get 5 or 6 voters participating instead of 50 to 60, then I'll take your opinion to heart. So far, we've had "what's so good about The Flower Kings and King Crimson?" along with "albums that all sound the same." What's next? List all the ways that Phil Collins ruined prog? Band's whose members look old and can barely carry their instruments? I can't wait.
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 07:51 |
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What's next? List all the ways that Phil Collins ruined prog? |
On it!
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 08:23 |
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And then when a band suddenly changes their sound, you'll all be poo-pooing about how inconsistent they are.... |
I don't think I have seen much of this on this forum. Solid thread topic as far as I'm concerned, with some interesting (if crazy) contributions. (Jethro Tull!  King Crimson! The Beatles! )
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 08:29 |
The correct answers are: AC/DC, Ramones and IQ.
Now to the ridiculous notion that all Gentle Giant albums sound the same - listen to the debut, then Free Hand and then Civilian and they sound like three different bands to me!!!
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:11 |
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What's next? List all the ways that Phil Collins ruined prog? |
On it |
Poor Phil, hasn't he suffered enough? 
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:13 |
Did anybody mention Dire Straits?
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:16 |
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Did anybody mention Dire Straits? |
As much as I love them, you're right. And that goes for Midnight Oil and Judas Priest and Iron Maiden...
Good god, the list is endless.
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Can’t believe genesis, Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Tull have been mentioned, are we hearing the same music?
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:32 |
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The correct answers are: AC/DC, Ramones and IQ.
Now to the ridiculous notion that all Gentle Giant albums sound the same - listen to the debut, then Free Hand and then Civilian and they sound like three different bands to me!!!
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Well even the Ramones adopted a new wave sound at some point and incorporated keyboards. I'm not sure how much of their material was like this but I know that at least some was different than their initial punk sound.
Also, no one has mentioned any of the heartland rockers such as Bob Segar, JCM, Tom Petty etc. Tom Petty in particular had a very uniform sound throughout for the most part imo(with the exception of "don't come around here no more").
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:08 |
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Did anybody mention Dire Straits? |
As much as I love them, you're right. And that goes for Midnight Oil and Judas Priest and Iron Maiden...
Good god, the list is endless. |
Why do you keep engaging in this thread that you find "negative"? Help me understand.
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In the thread title I never said sounding the same across multiple albums is a bad thing. I leave that determination to the posters. Responding to a thread only to call it negative seems negative. Positive or negative feel free to comment.
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:11 |
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Can’t believe genesis, Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Tull have been mentioned, are we hearing the same music? |
Might as well throw ELP in there, 'cause it all sounds like the same old prog...
Like where's the vaporwave breakdownz? Where's the "Featuring Kanye" vocoder guest-rapping? How about the tropical house chiptune choruses? Where's the bubblegum-bass drops?
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Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:15 |
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Did anybody mention Dire Straits? |
As much as I love them, you're right. And that goes for Midnight Oil and Judas Priest and Iron Maiden...
Good god, the list is endless. |
Why do you keep engaging in this thread that you find "negative"? Help me understand. |
Simple. A member PM-ed me and asked me to lighten up. I agreed. I know that you're not a rocket scientist, but I think that you can understand that.
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Strange. But every band/artist I don't like produces the same tedious music, release after release...is that JUST me?
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