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Topic: Bands whose albums all sound the same
Posted By: timothy leary
Subject: Bands whose albums all sound the same
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 13:46
My example would be......Ozric Tentacles



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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 13:55
AC/DC, Neal Morse

Not a knock on either, but they haven’t changed their formula much over the years

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 14:01
AC/DC (not prog obviously but you didn't specify)
Ozric Tentacles (maybe not as much as some people seem to think though)
Rush (after roll the bones)
The Flower Kings (to some degree)

I know I've heard others but can't really think of them off the top of my head. 


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 14:52
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

My example would be......Ozric Tentacles

Yep - great, aren't they?


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 14:59
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

My example would be......Ozric Tentacles
 
You're right! Ozric Tentacles' albums all sound the same to me too. Smile
 
Another band whose albums all sound the same to me are Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso U.F.O.


Posted By: friso
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 15:05
One of my favorite bands, but 21th century IQ has sounded fairly consistent.

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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 15:15
If you listen to the very first Ozrics album and the most recent I think you can hear an evolution from guitar-driven psychedelic rock to synth-oriented world rock but it took place so gradually that it's barely noticeable when you listen to every album in a row. I still really like some of their work but I'll admit that listening to their entire discography is kind of exhausting for that reason.


Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 15:32
I think "Spirals in Hyperspace" would be all I need


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 15:34
Motorhead, Slayer, Nirvana, Bon Jovi, Tool, Ramones, The Beatles, Green Day, R.E.M, and Foo Fighters. 


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 15:52
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Motorhead, Slayer, Nirvana, Bon Jovi, Tool, Ramones, The Beatles, Green Day, R.E.M, and Foo Fighters. 

REM changed a lot over the course of time. So did the Beatles and probably Green Day. The others I can see though. I would also add Iron Maiden.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 15:53
Status Quo, rather appropriately.

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 16:03
Gentle Giant

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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 16:18
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Gentle Giant


I’m grabbing the popcorn for this one

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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 17:14
I agree about Gentle Giant, except perhaps the last 2 or 3 albums. Their albums are all awesome, complicated, contemporary-classical-infused prog rock. Not to say that they're identical, but I think the stylistic differences between albums isn't as much as the differences between songs on the same album.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 17:48
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

My example would be......Ozric Tentacles

Yep - great, aren't they?

Yes they are. More younger prog fans need to discover them too. They have sort of been lost in the sauce. Plus they need a new album.


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 17:57
Though I don’t agree about Gentle Giant, I think everyone can admit that nobody else REALLY sounds like gentle giant

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 18:43
GG & OT are good picks

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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 19:06
As much as I love the Moody Blues, their big 7 albums are pretty uniform, especially compared to most other bands' output over 7 albums


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 21:44
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

As much as I love the Moody Blues, their big 7 albums are pretty uniform, especially compared to most other bands' output over 7 albums

Well, jeez, you could probably say the first several Black Sabbath albums sounded a lot alike too then. I think the Moodies were at least as diverse as BS though.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 21:50
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

AC/DC (not prog obviously but you didn't specify)
Ozric Tentacles (maybe not as much as some people seem to think though)
Rush (after roll the bones)
The Flower Kings (to some degree)

I know I've heard others but can't really think of them off the top of my head. 

good list plus--
 

Kansas--Jethro Tull---Pink Floyd to some degree---Moody Blues---Gentle Giant--VDGG---lot's of band that are my B list groups---

I tend to like bands were each album stands out---


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 23:45
When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 00:02
Did someone already say Rush?  Oh, yeah. 

I'd vote Dream Theater.  Endless, high-speed noodling doesn't equate good prog.


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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 02:08
^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 02:26
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Did someone already say Rush?  Oh, yeah. 

I'd vote Dream Theater.  Endless, high-speed noodling doesn't equate good prog.

Came here to say DT as well.


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 02:36
Here's one that will trigger. King Crimson, though the styles change the way they approach their music doesn't LOL

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 02:39
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.

Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.



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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 04:08
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

AC/DC, Neal Morse

Not a knock on either, but they haven’t changed their formula much over the years
 
I read an interview with Angus Young once when the interviewer said to him "what do you say to the people who say that AC/DC have made the same album 12 times?"
 
His response was something like "No, I won't have that, that's outrageous. We've made the same album 13 times". LOL


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 04:53
Some of the nominations here make me wonder whether people can name a band of which all albums do not sound the same. Shocked

Interestingly when reading the thread title I had the same first thought as most (?) others, namely the Ozrics. Meaning at least I like them enough to have checked, well, a good number. Wink



Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 04:57
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.

Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.

Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:01
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

AC/DC, Neal Morse

Not a knock on either, but they haven’t changed their formula much over the years
 
I read an interview with Angus Young once when the interviewer said to him "what do you say to the people who say that AC/DC have made the same album 12 times?"
 
His response was something like "No, I won't have that, that's outrageous. We've made the same album 13 times". LOL
AC/DC music may not change, but I have to say Bon Scott´s albums sounds me absolutely much better that came after him. All those seventies albums are good R´n`R-albums and when R´n`R is good, nothing have to change.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:06
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Some of the nominations here make me wonder whether people can name a band of which all albums do not sound the same. Shocked

Interestingly when reading the thread title I had the same first thought as most (?) others, namely the Ozrics. Meaning at least I like them enough to have checked, well, a good number. Wink

I can say most of the artists, that made seriously music in the sixties & seventies sounded less or more different album by album. That was of course caused by technical development of those times, but also artists willing to develop. Of course record companies wanted also then just money, but they gave artists more changes to try than these days. These days it seems to be just moneymaking also in many independent record companies.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:06
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


I'd vote Dream Theater.  Endless, high-speed noodling doesn't equate good prog.


I disagree even with DT. They were trying new things up to Octavarium.
Most albums post 2005 are a hit and miss with me. So post Octavarium music, I agree. Big smile




Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:09
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:24
Another negative thread. Yippie!

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:26
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
Well, some of the music on TLLDOB was written around the time of the debut album (I think it was Anyway and possibly some others).


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:34
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.

Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.

Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds.


Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.

I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases.

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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 05:58
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'd vote Dream Theater.  Endless, high-speed noodling doesn't equate good prog.

Ermm Disapprove


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:01
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Another negative thread. Yippie!
I don't see this thread as negative. Much more interesting than your duo polls of ancient bands that has been repeated for years.


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:04
And then when a band suddenly changes their sound, you'll all be poo-pooing about how inconsistent they are....

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:13
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
Well, some of the music on TLLDOB was written around the time of the debut album (I think it was Anyway and possibly some others).
Very possible. But anyway those albums doesn´t sound to me same at all, just like This Was and Thick doesn´t sound. JT had really much developing from sixties to the middle of seventies, I think Genesis also had. I think Foxtrot & Selling are the closest, then they went forward with Lamb. After Gabriel there`s not happened much in sounds, after Hackett they started to develop their music towards AOR (all the developing is not necessary great).


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:18
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.

Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.

Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds.


Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.

I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases.
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:21
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.

Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.

Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds.


Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.

I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases.
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting.


I'd say Snakes and Arrows is better than Vapour Trails, but only just. VT is heavy, monotonous and IMO badly produced.

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:26
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.

Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.

Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds.


Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.

I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases.
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting.


I'd say Snakes and Arrows is better than Vapour Trails, but only just. VT is heavy, monotonous and IMO badly produced.
Okey, thanx, I won´t waste my time to that, not sounding at all the album I want to listen.


Posted By: Kempokid
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:33
Symphony X sticks very closely to a proggy, neoclassical power metal sort of sound, even if their more recent couple are more heavy. Cool band, but one that have a specific sound that they don't deviate too much from.

Thank You Scientist have more or less made the same album 3 times, just refining their core sound with each one. Another case of the band being quite good regardless




Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 06:38
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^So Rush Hemispheres & Hold Your Fire sounds the same?

Anyway I think most of today´s bands albums sounds the same album by album. That´s because today´s bands can´t take the risk they fans get mad, if they change their music or sounds. Really any band of today doesn´t come my mind that has changed it music radically after earlier album, Knifeworld latest has more organic sounds than two earlier and that´s just a good thing, also music gone more to the seventies style from more heavy stuff.


I think they said, Rush AFTER Roll the Bones, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent.

Historically, Rush were one of those bands that were certainly NOT 'samey' from one album to the next. Even the brother and sister albums of AFTK & Hemispheres sound quite different to me, then the change from Hemispheres to PW is quite dramatic.

Yes, I noticed FlowerKing said after Roll the Bones, but because Stack didn´t quote him, I thought he meant all the Rush albums. I am not very familiar after Presto albums, but I think production is quite organic and great in Snakes & Arrows and differs Roll the Bones. Three albums that I think sound quite the same both musically & production are Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows & Hold Your Fire and I think Hold Your Fire is the most boring one of those. In Presto they went a little bit more organic sounds.


Yeah, I would probably agree regarding Power Windows and Hold your Fire. Similar production jobs, and approach to songwriting. The better songs are on PW IMO. I prefer Presto to RTB.

I think with the later Rush albums, the problem wasn't so much production for me, it was the songs. There was less diversity of sound and ideas on the albums. Especially Test for Echo and Vapour Trails, where they just seemed to meld into each other as hard rock mush. When you consider the striking contrasts between songs on earlier albums (YYZ vs Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio vs Natural Science etc etc) The later albums lacked the dynamics, memorable melodies and interesting song structures of the earlier releases.
I agree with you about later Rush. I lost my interest totally when seeing and hearing Roll the Bones-video. Then one of my friend borrowed me Snakes And Arrows, it has good production, but also I think the music is a little bit mediocre. From Rush book I got the picture, Vapour Trails should be something at least little interesting, but the picture I got from you there is not much interesting.


I'd say Snakes and Arrows is better than Vapour Trails, but only just. VT is heavy, monotonous and IMO badly produced.
Okey, thanx, I won´t waste my time to that, not sounding at all the album I want to listen.

There is the Vapor Trails remixed version though, which was done to "fix" the production issues. 
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-remix-their-polarizing-album-vapor-trails-premiere-101247/" rel="nofollow - https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-remix-their-polarizing-album-vapor-trails-premiere-101247/  


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 07:35
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Another negative thread. Yippie!
I don't see this thread as negative. Much more interesting than your duo polls of ancient bands that has been repeated for years.
When the duo polls only get 5 or 6 voters participating instead of 50 to 60, then I'll take your opinion to heart.
 
So far, we've had "what's so good about The Flower Kings and King Crimson?" along with  "albums that all sound the same." What's next? List all the ways that Phil Collins ruined prog? Band's whose members look old and can barely carry their instruments? I can't wait.


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 07:51
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

What's next? List all the ways that Phil Collins ruined prog? 

On it! 




































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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 08:23
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

And then when a band suddenly changes their sound, you'll all be poo-pooing about how inconsistent they are....

I don't think I have seen much of this on this forum.
Solid thread topic as far as I'm concerned, with some interesting (if crazy) contributions. (Jethro Tull! Shocked King Crimson! ShockedShocked  The Beatles! ShockedShockedShocked)


Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 08:29
The correct answers are: AC/DC, Ramones and IQ.

Now to the ridiculous notion that all Gentle Giant albums sound the same - listen to the debut, then Free Hand and then Civilian and they sound like three different bands to me!!!


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:11
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

What's next? List all the ways that Phil Collins ruined prog? 

On it
Wink
 
Poor Phil, hasn't he suffered enough? LOL

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:13
Did anybody mention Dire Straits? 


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:16
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Did anybody mention Dire Straits? 
As much as I love them, you're right. And that goes for Midnight Oil and Judas Priest and Iron Maiden...
 
Good god, the list is endless. LOL


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:27
Can’t believe genesis, Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Tull have been mentioned, are we hearing the same music?

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 09:32
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

The correct answers are: AC/DC, Ramones and IQ.

Now to the ridiculous notion that all Gentle Giant albums sound the same - listen to the debut, then Free Hand and then Civilian and they sound like three different bands to me!!!

Well even the Ramones adopted a new wave sound at some point and incorporated keyboards. I'm not sure how much of their material was like this but I know that at least some was different than their initial punk sound.

Also, no one has mentioned any of the heartland rockers such as Bob Segar, JCM, Tom Petty etc. Tom Petty in particular had a very uniform sound throughout for the most part imo(with the exception of "don't come around here no more").


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:08
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Did anybody mention Dire Straits? 
As much as I love them, you're right. And that goes for Midnight Oil and Judas Priest and Iron Maiden...
 
Good god, the list is endless. LOL
Why do you keep engaging in this thread that you find "negative"? Help me understand.


Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:11
In the thread title I never said sounding the same across multiple albums is a bad thing. I leave that determination to the posters. Responding to a thread only to call it negative seems negative. Positive or negative feel free to comment. 


Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:11
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Can’t believe genesis, Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Tull have been mentioned, are we hearing the same music?

Might as well throw ELP in there, 'cause it all sounds like the same old prog...

Like where's the vaporwave breakdownz?
Where's the "Featuring Kanye" vocoder guest-rapping?
How about the tropical house chiptune choruses?
Where's the bubblegum-bass drops?


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:15
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Did anybody mention Dire Straits? 
As much as I love them, you're right. And that goes for Midnight Oil and Judas Priest and Iron Maiden...
 
Good god, the list is endless. LOL
Why do you keep engaging in this thread that you find "negative"? Help me understand.
Simple. A member PM-ed me and asked me to lighten up. I agreed. I know that you're not a rocket scientist, but I think that you can understand that.

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:22
^Ha ha. FYI, I'm a brain surgeon.


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:44
Strange. But every band/artist I don't like produces the same tedious music, release after release...is that JUST me?

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 10:52
"Consider the Source" to a certain degree. Also, most of the Prog Metal bands, specially when the guitarist starts shredding. 


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 11:06
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

What's next? List all the ways that Phil Collins ruined prog? 

On it
Wink
 
Poor Phil, hasn't he suffered enough? LOL

I was going to post in the What is the greatest act of trolling in prog? thread that Phil Collins trolled us all for years with all of his Genesis prog stuff and Brand X fusion stuff and then BAM! Pop star. Biggest troll ever!  Tongue


Posted By: Rutgers Joe
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 12:08
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

The Beatles

LOL

Yeah, "Please Please Me" and "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" are pretty much the same album.


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 13:42
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Another negative thread. Yippie!

LOL We are but a ghetto of aging male Prog fans, drifting through life, griping and groaning all the way!  

Some of the repetition relates to the fact that the same band personnel recorded multiple records....material in the studio that is not used on the current release is often saved & recycled for a later release, usually with some updating.  

Also, bands often feel pressured by labels & fans to chug out a repetition of a previous hot LP/CD.  Wakeman pushed for a followup to CTTE that would be song-based, rather than the monstrous epic of TFTO.  

I give Anderson a lot of credit for breaking the mold and throwing the band in the deep end of the pool on that one, it remains controversial to this day, which is the sign of true innovation.  


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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 14:02
Feel free to comment on bands that you think their albums sound quite a bit different. Hard to do? I believe it is. Often times a bands first few efforts really resonate and then it is oh same old same old....example the Gazpacho trifecta of Bravo, Night and then Tick Tock was fresh and new and then the albums after for me were nothing I really wanted to hear


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 14:07
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Feel free to comment on bands that you think their albums sound quite a bit different. Hard to do? I believe it is. Often times a bands first few efforts really resonate and then it is oh same old same old....example the Gazpacho trifecta of Bravo, Night and then Tick Tock was fresh and new and then the albums after for me were nothing I really wanted to hear
The thing is that all artists have a distinct signature sound that separates from them the pack. We all relish that individuality but at the same time grow bored with it. It's the classic case of a double edged sword.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 18:14
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

And then when a band suddenly changes their sound, you'll all be poo-pooing about how inconsistent they are....

Case in point, KC, like how dare they experiment.

I do think of AC DC and Motorhead as well as a bunch of extreme metal bands (and even Iron Maiden to some extent) when it comes to making the same album over and over but not any prog rock band.  None that I know of.  A lot of bands may stick to the boundaries of a certain style but that's not what I'd consider making the same album.   Same album is when the band recycles so many licks you have trouble distinguishing the songs or remembering which one was on which album.  


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 18:19
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Motorhead, Slayer, Nirvana, Bon Jovi, Tool, Ramones, The Beatles, Green Day, R.E.M, and Foo Fighters. 

lol, later Beatles made more strides between albums than some prog rock bands.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 18:21
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Some of the nominations here make me wonder whether people can name a band of which all albums do not sound the same. Shocked

Interestingly when reading the thread title I had the same first thought as most (?) others, namely the Ozrics. Meaning at least I like them enough to have checked, well, a good number. Wink


This has quickly morphed into a thread where people simply list the bands they hate and therefore  didn't listen to properly and have no idea in reality whether their albums sound the same or even what their albums sound like.  I am not saying all posts are like that, but you can clearly see it with some of the choices.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 18:24
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

The correct answers are: AC/DC, Ramones and IQ.

Now to the ridiculous notion that all Gentle Giant albums sound the same - listen to the debut, then Free Hand and then Civilian and they sound like three different bands to me!!!

Apparently, the departure of the first drummer as well as Phil Shulman don't mean nothing to some people. Besides, how is it possible to even imagine a song like Just The Same or Free Hand on the Three Friends album?  I will tell you what "sounds the same" about Gentle Giant; it's Derek Shulman's terrible, one dimensional vocals.  They should have done something about it.  But that would be like saying all Radiohead albums sound the same because Yorke whines away on all of them.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 08 2020 at 18:51
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Motorhead, Slayer, Nirvana, Bon Jovi, Tool, Ramones, The Beatles, Green Day, R.E.M, and Foo Fighters. 

lol, later Beatles made more strides between albums than some prog rock bands.

later Beatles made more strides on a single album than many prog rock bands. I am talking of "The White Album"

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 00:24
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
 



Once many of the legendary seventies bands found their groove they tended to stick to it until punk told them they had to change.

I don't count FGTR for obvious reasons. Genesis in the PG era from Trespass to Lamb were very consistent sound wise although Eno's influenced did change the sound of Lamb so I concede that one. After that there were some changes mainly due to personell changes.

Tull hardly changed from TAAB through the next 4 or 5 albums and then punk bit

Yes through The Yes Album to GFTO likewise

ELP dived off the end of the cliff with Works Volume One . That was a real change but no one liked it!

I think Floyd certainly achieved more evolution than many of their seventies counterparts but again like ELP they ran into problems with Animals which was a major bone of contention.

I am very puzzled though why anyone thinks Gentle Giant albums sound the same. To their credit they carried on changing and evolving from album to album from 1970-1976. This is one of the biggest reasons they failed to achieve commercial success in the seventies and are now much more highly regarded. IMO







Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 00:26
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

The correct answers are: AC/DC, Ramones and IQ.

Now to the ridiculous notion that all Gentle Giant albums sound the same - listen to the debut, then Free Hand and then Civilian and they sound like three different bands to me!!!
 

indeed


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 01:27
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Some of the nominations here make me wonder whether people can name a band of which all albums do not sound the same. Shocked

Interestingly when reading the thread title I had the same first thought as most (?) others, namely the Ozrics. Meaning at least I like them enough to have checked, well, a good number. Wink


This has quickly morphed into a thread where people simply list the bands they hate and therefore  didn't listen to properly and have no idea in reality whether their albums sound the same or even what their albums sound like.  I am not saying all posts are like that, but you can clearly see it with some of the choices.
This subject may need it´s own thread, but anyway I will put it here. Internet has revealed me we haven´t changed much from those days when the biggest fun was to watch animals tearing people to pieces. Of course there are many different opinions about the music and we should not take it all too serious, also I have strong opinions about music, but sometimes it seems the meaning is just hurt somebody, not tell opinion about the music. I am no better, I have also hit some people under belt. Anyway I really try to become better as a human every day.

What I don´t want to become is a bitter, cynical old man. I´d rather stay naive and believe people may change better some day.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 01:44
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
 



Once many of the legendary seventies bands found their groove they tended to stick to it until punk told them they had to change.

I don't count FGTR for obvious reasons. Genesis in the PG era from Trespass to Lamb were very consistent sound wise although Eno's influenced did change the sound of Lamb so I concede that one. After that there were some changes mainly due to personell changes.

Tull hardly changed from TAAB through the next 4 or 5 albums and then punk bit

Yes through The Yes Album to GFTO likewise

ELP dived off the end of the cliff with Works Volume One . That was a real change but no one liked it!

I think Floyd certainly achieved more evolution than many of their seventies counterparts but again like ELP they ran into problems with Animals which was a major bone of contention.

I am very puzzled though why anyone thinks Gentle Giant albums sound the same. To their credit they carried on changing and evolving from album to album from 1970-1976. This is one of the biggest reasons they failed to achieve commercial success in the seventies and are now much more highly regarded. IMO

I mostly agree with you. I think Genesis sound was little different in Trespass, Nursery & Foxtrot, but of course those all albums have that very recognizable Genesis sound that I also think changed the most in Lamb. Yes went a little bit jazz direction in Relayer then came back to symphonic prog in next album. But what´s interesting in this thread very soon all the bands from the big six (except Yes, you mentioned it first) were mentioned. I think the thread starter hadn´t got purpose to make this negative thread, it anyway turned and then naturally caused just offense. And as he says in some lines, I don´t think it´s always bad thing band doesn´t change. I don´t see Faust has had many big changes in it´s basic music, but anyway they have succeeded to make interesting music almost their whole career. Also I really love Motörhead although it has made the same album again & again (first is still their best).

Have to say about Nirvana´s three albums, that they´re all quite different both musically and in their sounds. First is really punky, second pop album with very clear production and the last somewhere between those two (typical Steve Albini sounds).


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 03:57
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Ha ha. FYI, I'm a brain surgeon.
I wouldn't expect anything less from a prog fan. Wink

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 04:01
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Another negative thread. Yippie!

LOL We are but a ghetto of aging male Prog fans, drifting through life, griping and groaning all the way!  

 
Hey buddy, who you callin' old? LOL

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Posted By: esha9751
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 06:38
"I'm already perfect - why would you want me to change?" my made-up girlfriend just said.

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7439" rel="nofollow - Distorted Harmony has become much of a favourite band for me. Three excellent albums. No change whatsoever.


Posted By: judahbenkenobi
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 09:46
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

And then when a band suddenly changes their sound, you'll all be poo-pooing about how inconsistent they are....


I don't see a complain, much less "poo-pooing" in the thread. A band sounding the same throughout its existence isn't necessarily bad if done properly. Just as a band changing its sound every album isn't necessarily bad either, if done correctly.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 11:11
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
 



Once many of the legendary seventies bands found their groove they tended to stick to it until punk told them they had to change.

I don't count FGTR for obvious reasons. Genesis in the PG era from Trespass to Lamb were very consistent sound wise although Eno's influenced did change the sound of Lamb so I concede that one. After that there were some changes mainly due to personell changes.

Tull hardly changed from TAAB through the next 4 or 5 albums and then punk bit

Yes through The Yes Album to GFTO likewise

ELP dived off the end of the cliff with Works Volume One . That was a real change but no one liked it!

I think Floyd certainly achieved more evolution than many of their seventies counterparts but again like ELP they ran into problems with Animals which was a major bone of contention.

I am very puzzled though why anyone thinks Gentle Giant albums sound the same. To their credit they carried on changing and evolving from album to album from 1970-1976. This is one of the biggest reasons they failed to achieve commercial success in the seventies and are now much more highly regarded. IMO

I actually think each Genesis album (like most albums of the analogue age) has its own distinctive sound. which is the main reason that I don't believe "Twilight Alehouse" was recorded during the "Foxtrot" sessions as Wikipedia says. the sound of "Twilight Alehouse" is the sound of "Nursery Cryme", not the sound of "Foxtrot"


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 11:53
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Ha ha. FYI, I'm a brain surgeon.
I wouldn't expect anything less from a prog fan. Wink

You don't really believe him do you? Tongue


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 11:54
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
 



Once many of the legendary seventies bands found their groove they tended to stick to it until punk told them they had to change.

I don't count FGTR for obvious reasons. Genesis in the PG era from Trespass to Lamb were very consistent sound wise although Eno's influenced did change the sound of Lamb so I concede that one. After that there were some changes mainly due to personell changes.

Tull hardly changed from TAAB through the next 4 or 5 albums and then punk bit

Yes through The Yes Album to GFTO likewise

ELP dived off the end of the cliff with Works Volume One . That was a real change but no one liked it!

I think Floyd certainly achieved more evolution than many of their seventies counterparts but again like ELP they ran into problems with Animals which was a major bone of contention.

I am very puzzled though why anyone thinks Gentle Giant albums sound the same. To their credit they carried on changing and evolving from album to album from 1970-1976. This is one of the biggest reasons they failed to achieve commercial success in the seventies and are now much more highly regarded. IMO

I actually think each Genesis album (like most albums of the analogue age) has its own distinctive sound. which is the main reason that I don't believe "Twilight Alehouse" was recorded during the "Foxtrot" sessions as Wikipedia says. the sound of "Twilight Alehouse" is the sound of "Nursery Cryme", not the sound of "Foxtrot"

Twilight Alehouse has been written between FGTR and Trespass but it was effectively recorded during the Foxtrot sessions. The rendition surely sounds like the Nursery Cryme band but the overall feel of the composition definitely belongs to the Ant Phillips Trespass era.

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 12:06
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
 



Once many of the legendary seventies bands found their groove they tended to stick to it until punk told them they had to change.

I don't count FGTR for obvious reasons. Genesis in the PG era from Trespass to Lamb were very consistent sound wise although Eno's influenced did change the sound of Lamb so I concede that one. After that there were some changes mainly due to personell changes.

Tull hardly changed from TAAB through the next 4 or 5 albums and then punk bit

Yes through The Yes Album to GFTO likewise

ELP dived off the end of the cliff with Works Volume One . That was a real change but no one liked it!

I think Floyd certainly achieved more evolution than many of their seventies counterparts but again like ELP they ran into problems with Animals which was a major bone of contention.

I am very puzzled though why anyone thinks Gentle Giant albums sound the same. To their credit they carried on changing and evolving from album to album from 1970-1976. This is one of the biggest reasons they failed to achieve commercial success in the seventies and are now much more highly regarded. IMO

I actually think each Genesis album (like most albums of the analogue age) has its own distinctive sound. which is the main reason that I don't believe "Twilight Alehouse" was recorded during the "Foxtrot" sessions as Wikipedia says. the sound of "Twilight Alehouse" is the sound of "Nursery Cryme", not the sound of "Foxtrot"

Twilight Alehouse has been written between FGTR and Trespass but it was effectively recorded during the Foxtrot sessions. The rendition surely sounds like the Nursery Cryme band but the overall feel of the composition definitely belongs to the Ant Phillips Trespass era.

it is not the rendition; it is the sound. as I said, all analogue albums have a specific sound. this is due to the circumstances under which they were recorded. therefore it is in my opinion impossible that "Twilight Alehouse" was recorded during the "Foxtrot" sessions. if it were it would have the same overall sound of "Foxtrot" that each single track of that album has.

I also disagree about the composition sounding like "Trespass"


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 12:18
Genesis just shouldn’t be mentioned in this thread, the two most similar albums are wind and wuthering and ATTWT and those are still quite different. Genesis changed probably more than any prog band besides king crimson.

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 12:32
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Another negative thread. Yippie!

LOL We are but a ghetto of aging male Prog fans, drifting through life, griping and groaning all the way!  

 
Hey buddy, who you callin' old? LOL

Not necessarily old, but aging.  Bob Fripp is still lighting up the amps at his age, I'm more than happy to hang around for a few more years!  (I'm 64 y.o. BTW).


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 12:48
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I also disagree about the composition sounding like "Trespass"

It most definitely sounds like a slightly immature 69-70 Genesis composition to me...played by the confident 72 band. Nursery was released in November 71 and Twilight was an integral part of the set-list during the first half of 72 (they barely played it live before that) and they decided to put it on tape when they entered Island Studio in August for the Foxtrot sessions.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 12:58
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I also disagree about the composition sounding like "Trespass"

It most definitely sounds like a slightly immature 69-70 Genesis composition to me...played by the confident 72 band. Nursery was released in November 71 and Twilight was an integral part of the set-list during the first half of 72 (they barely played it live before that) and they decided to put it on tape when they entered Island Studio in August for the Foxtrot sessions.


Interesting. Kind of like Yes with "america."


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 13:23
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I also disagree about the composition sounding like "Trespass"

It most definitely sounds like a slightly immature 69-70 Genesis composition to me...played by the confident 72 band. Nursery was released in November 71 and Twilight was an integral part of the set-list during the first half of 72 (they barely played it live before that) and they decided to put it on tape when they entered Island Studio in August for the Foxtrot sessions.
 
try the following: create a CD of your own consisting of "Foxtrot" with the addition of "Twilight Alehouse". "Twilight Alehouse" sticks out like a sore thumb there due to the sound. then do the same with "Nursery Cryme". the track fits perfectly there. the only explanation for this is that "Twilight Alehouse" was NOT recorded during the "Foxtrot" sessions (if it were it would sound that way) but during the "Nursery Cryme" sessions.

you can actually make this experiment with any analogue album. add a track from album "A" of a certain band to album "B" of that band; you will definitely here the difference in production. this is due to the different parameters that existed during the recording of these analogue albums. with modern digital production the effect is much less pronounced


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 14:05
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I also disagree about the composition sounding like "Trespass"

It most definitely sounds like a slightly immature 69-70 Genesis composition to me...played by the confident 72 band. Nursery was released in November 71 and Twilight was an integral part of the set-list during the first half of 72 (they barely played it live before that) and they decided to put it on tape when they entered Island Studio in August for the Foxtrot sessions.
 
try the following: create a CD of your own consisting of "Foxtrot" with the addition of "Twilight Alehouse". "Twilight Alehouse" sticks out like a sore thumb there due to the sound. then do the same with "Nursery Cryme". the track fits perfectly there. the only explanation for this is that "Twilight Alehouse" was NOT recorded during the "Foxtrot" sessions (if it were it would sound that way) but during the "Nursery Cryme" sessions.

you can actually make this experiment with any analogue album. add a track from album "A" of a certain band to album "B" of that band; you will definitely here the difference in production. this is due to the different parameters that existed during the recording of these analogue albums. with modern digital production the effect is much less pronounced

Sorry but I don't buy that esoteric argument and I will stick to the facts.

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 14:21
lol, that's anything but esoteric; it is obvious for anyone with good ears. why don't you try the experiment?

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 14:55
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

When I was growing up just about everyone seemed stylistically  consistent but I remember thinking that Genesis hardly ever veered from a basic sound. Tull and VDGG were also the same album after album.
I believe Gentle Giant are a really bad example but hey ho. This could become the ultimate trolling thread. I give it about 3 pages max before its locked by admin.
From Genesis to Revelation sounding same as Lamb? This Was sounding same as Thick as a Brick?
 



Once many of the legendary seventies bands found their groove they tended to stick to it until punk told them they had to change.

I don't count FGTR for obvious reasons. Genesis in the PG era from Trespass to Lamb were very consistent sound wise although Eno's influenced did change the sound of Lamb so I concede that one. After that there were some changes mainly due to personell changes.

Tull hardly changed from TAAB through the next 4 or 5 albums and then punk bit

Yes through The Yes Album to GFTO likewise

ELP dived off the end of the cliff with Works Volume One . That was a real change but no one liked it!

I think Floyd certainly achieved more evolution than many of their seventies counterparts but again like ELP they ran into problems with Animals which was a major bone of contention.

I am very puzzled though why anyone thinks Gentle Giant albums sound the same. To their credit they carried on changing and evolving from album to album from 1970-1976. This is one of the biggest reasons they failed to achieve commercial success in the seventies and are now much more highly regarded. IMO

I mostly agree with you. I think Genesis sound was little different in Trespass, Nursery & Foxtrot, but of course those all albums have that very recognizable Genesis sound that I also think changed the most in Lamb. Yes went a little bit jazz direction in Relayer then came back to symphonic prog in next album. But what´s interesting in this thread very soon all the bands from the big six (except Yes, you mentioned it first) were mentioned. I think the thread starter hadn´t got purpose to make this negative thread, it anyway turned and then naturally caused just offense. And as he says in some lines, I don´t think it´s always bad thing band doesn´t change. I don´t see Faust has had many big changes in it´s basic music, but anyway they have succeeded to make interesting music almost their whole career. Also I really love Motörhead although it has made the same album again & again (first is still their best).

Have to say about Nirvana´s three albums, that they´re all quite different both musically and in their sounds. First is really punky, second pop album with very clear production and the last somewhere between those two (typical Steve Albini sounds).


Trespass, Nursery Cryme & Foxtrot sound very little like each other to me. Trespass had a more fairy tale flavor to it than any other Genesis album (short of TotT) and a bend toward ponderous meanderings, as with Stagnation [which I greatly adore, because I love ponderous meanderings]. It rarely had the big orchestral type sound they were later noted for. Those times when a big sound did appear in Trespass it was dependent on a synth pad-like organ sound that was more mystical than big [e.g. White Mountain] or multiple overlaid 12-strings [e.g. Stagnation]. The Rock element was heavily lacking. Only with Nursery Cryme did the grandiose orchestral sound and the Rock element fully converge, with Hackett's contribution coming into play and a little more aggression from Rutherford's base. Some of that overloaded the available headroom in the recording [e.g. Return of the Giant Hogweed]. The band clearly responded to this by stripping down their sound and taking turns a bit more with Foxtrot rather than having the whole bad go loud at once. It also incorporated the Mellotron, a new sound (for them). Again, when the bigger orchestral sounds of the mellotron were chosen, turn-taking prevailed and it was given the sole spotlight on the opening of Watcher of the Skies. That's the way I see it. The thing is, and this is rarely discussed, for a fan like myself, those are huge distinctions. For someone who is less of a fan, they may be but mere details, so I doubt any universal consensus will be forthcoming.






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Posted By: hugo1995
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 15:49
This will be controversial, but Porcupine Tree utilizes the same chords frequently, and I constantly know where the chord progression is going when I hear a new track from them from random albums.

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 16:00
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

The correct answers are: AC/DC, Ramones and IQ.

Now to the ridiculous notion that all Gentle Giant albums sound the same - listen to the debut, then Free Hand and then Civilian and they sound like three different bands to me!!!

 

indeed
You're comparing something from the classic era with something from 1980? Well sure, didn't every band sound different in the 80s? Some GG albums aren't relevant in the same fashion some Genesis albums aren't relevant.

Re:
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

The thing is, and this is rarely discussed, for a fan like myself, those are huge distinctions. For someone who is less of a fan, they may be but mere details, so I doubt any universal consensus will be forthcoming.

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Strange. But every band/artist I don't like produces the same tedious music, release after release...is that JUST me?
No, not just you. I started a thread perhaps two or three years ago exploring the proposition that what people count as a innovation was subjective, depending on things of personal history, for instance, like whether one was a musician or not. I don't see why notions of sameness/differentness would be any more objective.

Thus I say that, for me, the same choppiness of GG's music that I cannot stand is commonly found throughout their catalog.





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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 18:23
The bands I hate all sound the same.
Such repetition -- it's really lame!
But if we changed one spot on that same ol' dog --
Holy sh*t! They're no longer prog!


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 00:46
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Genesis just shouldn’t be mentioned in this thread, the two most similar albums are wind and wuthering and ATTWT and those are still quite different. Genesis changed probably more than any prog band besides king crimson.
 

The trouble with this thread is that there is no distinction between sound, style or approach. Genesis never made any particularly remarkable changes and mostly just trundled out the same thing album on album until their most radical change that was on ABACAB . Genesis are one of the most mimicked bands for a reason.

Yes and Tull virtually became a parody of themselves and Rush only made changes on Permanent Waves onwards

King Crimson certainly changed a lot and that was partly because of multiple line up changes and Fripp regarding the whole thing more as a project rather than a band.

The band that everybody loves to hate actually made the most radical changes despite it always being the same 3 guys. 
Emerson ,Lake and Palmer (1970)
Brain Salad Surgery (1973)
Works Volume One (1977)
Love Beach (1978)
they were not frightened of changing sounds style , equipment , using an orchestra etc. The changes across those 4 albums easily outstrip any of the more vaunted seventies bands.



Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 01:20
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Yes and Tull virtually became a parody of themselves and Rush only made changes on Permanent Waves onwards
Really disagree with Tull. In "Too Old to R´n`R..." it seemed Tull was becoming a parody of itself, but "Songs From The Wood", "Heavy Horses" & "Stormwatch" are one of the greatest Tull albums among "Aqualung", "Thick as a Brick", "A Passion Play", "War Child" & "Minstreal In the Gallery". There are not big musically changes (well I think there are more folk influences in Songs & Heavy than their earlier great albums) but anyway those all albums just are musically great and very far away from parody. Also, "A" was really different than their earlier albums, it was going to at first be Anderson solo album. After that they continued more Tull-style, but still albums sounded much more modern and still I haven´t hear any parody there. Also, I don´t think Yes become ever parody, naturally they made their greatest albums in 1970-72, but they continued make decent albums in these days. If somebody becoming a parody, it´s ELP (or is there somebody who´s saying "In the Hot Seat" is decent album?)


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 03:37
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Genesis just shouldn’t be mentioned in this thread, the two most similar albums are wind and wuthering and ATTWT and those are still quite different. Genesis changed probably more than any prog band besides king crimson.


I agree. All of their albums sound very different to each other. I don't think W&W and ATTWT resemble each other at all. I think their closest sounding albums are probably Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme...and they don't sound anything like each other!

Even their later poppy albums sound distinctly different to each other.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 03:57
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Ha ha. FYI, I'm a brain surgeon.
I wouldn't expect anything less from a prog fan. Wink

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 04:09
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Ha ha. FYI, I'm a brain surgeon.
I wouldn't expect anything less from a prog fan. Wink

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 04:24
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I also disagree about the composition sounding like "Trespass"

It most definitely sounds like a slightly immature 69-70 Genesis composition to me...played by the confident 72 band. Nursery was released in November 71 and Twilight was an integral part of the set-list during the first half of 72 (they barely played it live before that) and they decided to put it on tape when they entered Island Studio in August for the Foxtrot sessions.
 
try the following: create a CD of your own consisting of "Foxtrot" with the addition of "Twilight Alehouse". "Twilight Alehouse" sticks out like a sore thumb there due to the sound. then do the same with "Nursery Cryme". the track fits perfectly there. the only explanation for this is that "Twilight Alehouse" was NOT recorded during the "Foxtrot" sessions (if it were it would sound that way) but during the "Nursery Cryme" sessions.

you can actually make this experiment with any analogue album. add a track from album "A" of a certain band to album "B" of that band; you will definitely here the difference in production. this is due to the different parameters that existed during the recording of these analogue albums. with modern digital production the effect is much less pronounced
Hmm, that's an odd one. I'm listening to the version on Genesis Archive and the snare drum sound is clearly different to the Nursery Cryme sound that sounds like someone hitting cardboard boxes with a wet kipper. My feeling is Twilight Alehouse is more similar to Can_Utility than anything on Nursery Cryme.



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