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Poll Question: Which of these do you feel may be a bit overrated?
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Oh, yeah, us "prog type" fans(?) are dying off in droves.


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Oh, yeah, us "prog type" fans(?) are dying off in droves.
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Overrated just means someone thinks the millions who like something are wrong.

None are overrated. They may indeed now be underrated as only the last of the prog type fans like 'em. Except maybe Dark Side as that broke on through to the hoi polloi.
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I guess it wouldn't have been easy to fit the whole Thick as a Brick and/or Passion Play in subsequent tours without leaving out a whole bunch of other songs. At best they could have played side one of Thick as a Brick, but apparently they didn't even do that. Fans might just as well be grateful that they did play those albums (more or less) whole while touring for them... they might not have done so for any of their other albums (nor many bands do so).
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^I think I have read that same thing about Thick from somewhere. Oh, I really would have like to be in that Anderson-concert (I think he didn´t play it in Finland, at least I haven´t heard anything about that).
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From the bootlegs I've listened to, they didn't actually play all of Thick As A Brick on the tour. They extended many parts of it and added a few sections so that it lasted 80 minutes, but there were a couple sections that weren't played - mostly the second side; they'd skip from "218 babies wearing nylon!" to "Let me tell you the tales of your life". So they'd be missing "In the clear white circles" and "Do you believe in the day?".

Although Ian Anderson recently performed the whole thing live quite faithfully to the album on his TAAB2 tour (along with the sequel).
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:


I love the whole Thick as a Brick! And always thought those shorter versions are just torso, don´t like to listen them much, of course I was glad they´re played at least torso of it in the concert where I was.
 
If I am right, they never have played full Thick or a Passion Play many times.


I understand they did play the whole Thick as a Brick thing while they were touring the album... I think I have even read that they played an extended version of it. As for Passion Play, I have no idea.
They played also the whole Passion Play also in 1973 tour, but I don´t think not after that. There are really low quality audios in the YouTube from both. In Thick as a Brick there are funny piece, where phone rang in the middle of that very intensive period in the beginning of it! Someone of the band answers it and they continue playing right after where they left, also if I remember right there are some big rabbit on the stage in some part.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:


I love the whole Thick as a Brick! And always thought those shorter versions are just torso, don´t like to listen them much, of course I was glad they´re played at least torso of it in the concert where I was.
 
If I am right, they never have played full Thick or a Passion Play many times.


I understand they did play the whole Thick as a Brick thing while they were touring the album... I think I have even read that they played an extended version of it. As for Passion Play, I have no idea.
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ITCOTCK and SEBTP both have less than stellar moments but relative to the others DSOTM takes the cake for being by far the most over rated.
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I'd say that all of these in all probability have been both overrated and underrated by some individuals (claims made that are untrue, improbable or lacking evidence). The most compelling case in this thread for being overrated is for In the Court of the Crimson King (common claims that it surely was the first true Prog album), but I will abstain from voting. The album I least like of these is Close to the Edge, but to me, whether one likes it or doesn't shouldn't be a deciding factor, but instead it should depend on objective evidence and sound arguments for people overrating it (dubious or questionable claims to greatness or outright wrongness made out of ignorance).

I think that too many individuals claim that other people hold something in too high esteem just because said individuals don't appreciate it -- that not only often tends to show a lack of perspective and nuanced thinking, but also a lack of humility.
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none of these are over rated imo

They all changed the face of Prog in their own way
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I love the whole Thick as a Brick! And always thought those shorter versions are just torso, don´t like to listen them much, of course I was glad they´re played at least torso of it in the concert where I was.
 
If I am right, they never have played full Thick or a Passion Play many times.


Edited by Mortte - September 19 2018 at 02:23
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^ For me the problem with Thick as a Brick isn't a Side 1 vs Side 2 (though I do find Side 1 to be the stronger one), but in general both sides have great parts, yet they drag on a bit too much. I do love much better the live version of the song on Live, Bursting Out, than the studio Side 1, because it keeps exactly what I love from the song. The same could be done with Side 2.
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Thick as a Brick, I'm afraid. Side 2 doesn't do much for me as opposed to the strengths of Side 1.
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From the list I play TAAB and DSOTM the least....but I don't think any of them are 'overrated'.
All those have many votes from various types of prog fans so the mix of views are probably just right...imho.
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SEBTP for me, never got all the love, I prefer 2 earlier Genesis albums and it doesn't make my top 500. All the others at least make the top 100.
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I went with ITCOTCK. I love Schizoid man, Maybe my favorite KC song but I just can't get in to the rest of it. 
It's a significant album , don't get me wrong but I do feel it gets a little too much praise sometimes.  
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IMO none of them is overrated. ;p
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

In my opinion (and that's purely personal), I think all of them are overrated to some extent.
None of them would make my top 5 albums. SEBTP would make the top 10 and CTTE and DSOTM would make my top 50. TAAB would be in the top 100 and ITCOTCK wouldn't make the top 1000, despite its immense significance.
Funny. None of these are anywhere near my top ten - or fifty... or even hundred but I still don't consider them to be overrated.

Ditto (though I voted JTull--it is not in my Top 500--but that's a preference thing. I just think Side Two is plain "boring.")

I too feel that all five have flaws, some severe enough that I just can't rate them with a full five stars, BUT I agree with the significant role each has had in the legitimization of "prog": DSotM 250 consecutive weeks on Billboard's top selling albums list; the undeniable influence ItCotCK has had on other musicians; the length of time TaaB spent as the #1 Album on my Detroit radio stations; the threatric sensation Gabriel and Boys made while on their tours (I had friends/acquaintances that followed them from venue to venue on their pre-Lamb USA tours.)  
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Dark Side is very good. It's also very overrated.

All the others are perfection.

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