Overrated Masterpieces?
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Topic: Overrated Masterpieces?
Posted By: Argo2112
Subject: Overrated Masterpieces?
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 11:26
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Let me start of by saying I like all of these albums to various degrees. Some are among my all time favorites and others I fell just has great moments so no disrespect intended here. These are generally regarded as some of the best prog rock albums of all time. So which of these (if any) do you feel may be a little overrated? |
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 11:29
None  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 11:34
| I don't think any of these is overrated, but DSOTM is my least favorite. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 11:38
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Everything Floyd's done is overrated, meaning it's regarded like prog rock's high water mark. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 11:59
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None are among my personal favourites (except perhaps KC-debut) but with just the right amount of innovation, likability and timing for its release - its not that hard to understand how they got their position. All very strong albums. Perhaps only "modern" jazz has a comparably diverse and musically interesting "big six". ... I just had to follow up on that thought... Based on popularity combined with some credibility - and not allowing more than one Miles or Coltrane-album each (and excluding fusion), that would probably be something like: Kind of Blue (Davis) A Love Supreme (Coltrane) The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady (Mingus) Time Out (Brubeck) Sunday At The Village Vanguard (Evans) and either Out To Lunch (Dolphy) or Shape of Jazz to Come (Coleman) -Maybe it has to be seven. But yeah that's kind of impressive... |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 12:03
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I'm not keen on the o-word. If the average prog listener likes this-or-that album more than me I'm just fine with that. I'm not in a better position to rate these than anybody else. Apart from that all of these are very good and I surely don't mind that something is rated 4.6 on PA that I'd rate 4.3 or so.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 12:17
| None of the. They might not appeal to somebody's taste, but that doen't mean they are over rated. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 12:32
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None from the list are 'overrated' in my view. They really are deservedly up there near the top of the prog tree. Do I have preferences? Yes- but my prog playlist would be a lesser beast without any of these. ------------- Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea. |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 12:39
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I knew using the " O " word would raise some eyebrows. Like I said, I like all of these to various degrees. Just seemed to be a good way to start a discussion.
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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 12:39
Exactly! ------------- PROGMATIC |
Squonk19 wrote:Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 12:40
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"none" should be a voting option; it would trounce all the rest. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 13:00
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Itchycock. Its historic significance is undeniable, this album is a milestone in the history of progressive rock. And surely it has some masterpiece content. But it takes something else than 10 minutes of playing with toys or mellotron-drenched hyperglycaemia to make the album a masterpiece. ------------- 
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Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 13:50
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I agree "overated" is s big call for any of these masterpieces However, for me ITCOTCK, whilst unquestionably a landmark album is not the best KC album, so that got my vote DSOTM is a great album but Floyd just doesn't do it for me the way some other bands do CTTE could never be overrated. Ever. ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 13:55
| Well, I think Close to the Edge is little bit overrated. Specially the title track in the very beginning has sounded to me just "we all show our skills at the same time". Fragile & the Yes Album has always been masterpieces to me, but not CttE. |
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 14:03
I love the title track and I don't see it as "showing off" at all. I think the intricate opening section is essential to create the atmosphere that is a key aspect of the track. ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 15:25
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I thoroughly like all of those except for Pink Floyd's. I do like their earlier stuff though. Piper at the Gates of Dawn is nearly an antidote to Dark Side of the Moon; a gleeful Bright Side of the Lunacy Moon. Syd Barrett provided what Gilmour never could, and helped balance out the sometimes dominating effect of Waters.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 15:46
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In my opinion (and that's purely personal), I think all of them are overrated to some extent. None of them would make my top 5 albums. SEBTP would make the top 10 and CTTE and DSOTM would make my top 50. TAAB would be in the top 100 and ITCOTCK wouldn't make the top 1000, despite its immense significance. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 15:47
Gilmour provided far more than Barrett ever did. He gave them direction and focus. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 15:49
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 17:09
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CTTE ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 17:18
I agree !!!
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Posted By: bender99
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 20:56
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I'd be definitely be voting 'None' if it was an option. These are all genre-defining moments to me, all brilliant albums in their own unique way, and I personally can't imagine my collection being complete without owning all of these, which I do ;) |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 21:02
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Went with SEBTP, but was tempted to go with ITCOTCK. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 21:51
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This one's easy: DSotM ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 00:58
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In the Court easily ------------- War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 01:03
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I voted for ITCOTCK. as I wrote elsewhere the album consists of a prog song, a pop song, a tearjerker, a song of which the first two minutes are a pop song and the rest an experimental jam session that hardly anyone likes (including many who gave this album a 5 star rating although the jam session takes up almost a fourth of the album) and another prog song. hardly enough to give the album its almost mystical status of being "the first prog album" -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 05:23
| Cant vote against any as overrated. I did suffer from some Dark Side burnout, but after avoiding it for a few years, when I came back to it, I was blown away all over again. I probably listen to Court the least as a whole album, but the highs are enough that I refuse to vote against it either. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 05:26
| none |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 06:25
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Posted By: GrafHaarschnitt
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 06:39
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I guess I would understand In The Court if I was born in that Time but I actually prefer the second one. And I think Frankyboy did prog far earlier on absolutely free yet I do understand that it set some important standards, but I think the others on the list actually set far more of them. Edit: Although I have to admit that structure wise Selling England set some standards that led many retroprog bands into traps that make their songs (especially long tracks) very inconsistent in parts. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 09:41
how long is that completely false notion going to survive... jesus... so yeah.. if that album is credited for being what any knowledgeable prog fan knows it is not true.. mark that bitch up and slap the dread overrated tag on it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 10:52
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All very good albums, but I'll have to go with ItCotCK for similar reasons as mentioned above. It definitely does ride more on historical significance than the quality of the music. That being said the songs are great, but it's very clear that prog had a lot of progressing to do after the album. ------------- https://borealkinship.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My prog band - Boreal Kinship |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: September 15 2018 at 23:43
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I personally really canīt understand voting anything else than Yes and also in that I understand most of the progfans think itīs masterpiece. But really I donīt understand why Dark Side is leading and not also that disrespect against Court. And that "first progalbum" is made by 2000 progfans, when I started to listen prog in the eighties, no-one talked about it as first progalbum. To me itīs just masterpiece, greatest KC-album. But before that there has become Moodies Days, Procol Shine On, the Nice Ars Longa Vita, Iron Buttefly In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida, also Renaissances first came in the same month as Court and Colosseum Valentyne Suite just month later. But on the other hand these "overrated" threads are just so useless, people have voted all of these great albums, although no-one is explaining why he thinks Selling England or Thick is overrated.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 16 2018 at 12:22
| I love every one of those albums except for DSOTM, which I like well enough but don't need to ever hear again, so it's the easy choice for me. On the other hand, only TAAB and ITCOCK are full blown masterpieces in my view, so to some extent I also view CTTE and SEBTP as slightly overrated. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: September 17 2018 at 08:52
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Dark Side is very good. It's also very overrated. All the others are perfection. PERFECTION!!!
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 17 2018 at 09:06
Ditto (though I voted JTull--it is not in my Top 500--but that's a preference thing. I just think Side Two is plain "boring.") I too feel that all five have flaws, some severe enough that I just can't rate them with a full five stars, BUT I agree with the significant role each has had in the legitimization of "prog": DSotM 250 consecutive weeks on Billboard's top selling albums list; the undeniable influence ItCotCK has had on other musicians; the length of time TaaB spent as the #1 Album on my Detroit radio stations; the threatric sensation Gabriel and Boys made while on their tours (I had friends/acquaintances that followed them from venue to venue on their pre-Lamb USA tours.) ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 17 2018 at 10:31
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IMO none of them is overrated. ;p ------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: September 17 2018 at 11:16
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I went with ITCOTCK. I love Schizoid man, Maybe my favorite KC song but I just can't get in to the rest of it. It's a significant album , don't get me wrong but I do feel it gets a little too much praise sometimes.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 17 2018 at 15:56
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SEBTP for me, never got all the love, I prefer 2 earlier Genesis albums and it doesn't make my top 500. All the others at least make the top 100. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 18 2018 at 14:44
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From the list I play TAAB and DSOTM the least....but I don't think any of them are 'overrated'. All those have many votes from various types of prog fans so the mix of views are probably just right...imho. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 18 2018 at 17:27
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Thick as a Brick, I'm afraid. Side 2 doesn't do much for me as opposed to the strengths of Side 1. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 18 2018 at 23:26
| ^ For me the problem with Thick as a Brick isn't a Side 1 vs Side 2 (though I do find Side 1 to be the stronger one), but in general both sides have great parts, yet they drag on a bit too much. I do love much better the live version of the song on Live, Bursting Out, than the studio Side 1, because it keeps exactly what I love from the song. The same could be done with Side 2. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: September 19 2018 at 02:22
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I love the whole Thick as a Brick! And always thought those shorter versions are just torso, donīt like to listen them much, of course I was glad theyīre played at least torso of it in the concert where I was.
If I am right, they never have played full Thick or a Passion Play many times.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: September 19 2018 at 08:57
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none of these are over rated imo They all changed the face of Prog in their own way ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 19 2018 at 17:15
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I'd say that all of these in all probability have been both overrated and underrated by some individuals (claims made that are untrue, improbable or lacking evidence). The most compelling case in this thread for being overrated is for In the Court of the Crimson King (common claims that it surely was the first true Prog album), but I will abstain from voting. The album I least like of these is Close to the Edge, but to me, whether one likes it or doesn't shouldn't be a deciding factor, but instead it should depend on objective evidence and sound arguments for people overrating it (dubious or questionable claims to greatness or outright wrongness made out of ignorance). I think that too many individuals claim that other people hold something in too high esteem just because said individuals don't appreciate it -- that not only often tends to show a lack of perspective and nuanced thinking, but also a lack of humility. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 19 2018 at 17:23
| ITCOTCK and SEBTP both have less than stellar moments but relative to the others DSOTM takes the cake for being by far the most over rated. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 19 2018 at 21:41
I understand they did play the whole Thick as a Brick thing while they were touring the album... I think I have even read that they played an extended version of it. As for Passion Play, I have no idea. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: September 20 2018 at 02:13
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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: September 20 2018 at 06:59
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From the bootlegs I've listened to, they didn't actually play all of Thick As A Brick on the tour. They extended many parts of it and added a few sections so that it lasted 80 minutes, but there were a couple sections that weren't played - mostly the second side; they'd skip from "218 babies wearing nylon!" to "Let me tell you the tales of your life". So they'd be missing "In the clear white circles" and "Do you believe in the day?". Although Ian Anderson recently performed the whole thing live quite faithfully to the album on his TAAB2 tour (along with the sequel). ------------- https://borealkinship.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My prog band - Boreal Kinship |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: September 20 2018 at 07:04
| ^I think I have read that same thing about Thick from somewhere. Oh, I really would have like to be in that Anderson-concert (I think he didnīt play it in Finland, at least I havenīt heard anything about that). |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 20 2018 at 21:46
| I guess it wouldn't have been easy to fit the whole Thick as a Brick and/or Passion Play in subsequent tours without leaving out a whole bunch of other songs. At best they could have played side one of Thick as a Brick, but apparently they didn't even do that. Fans might just as well be grateful that they did play those albums (more or less) whole while touring for them... they might not have done so for any of their other albums (nor many bands do so). |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: September 21 2018 at 04:57
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Overrated just means someone thinks the millions who like something are wrong. None are overrated. They may indeed now be underrated as only the last of the prog type fans like 'em. Except maybe Dark Side as that broke on through to the hoi polloi.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 22 2018 at 13:12
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Oh, yeah, us "prog type" fans(?) are dying off in droves. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 04:23
Underlying the underrated understanding... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 06:15
funny.. I always took overrated to mean over... rated perfect example. my vote. ITCotCK. people point it its greatness as not just musical but historical as athe first prog album. It wasn't. Most consider DavJack a year earlier to be the first true prog album. so is that not being....overrated?.. and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with liking it. or not. A close #2 would be the Genesis album... and I love that album so what's love got to do with it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: flyingveepixie
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 06:19
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I don't think any of the albums mentioned here are particularly overrated, in fact CTTE and Selling England are two of my all time favourites. It's all just a matter of opinion... Personally I can't stand any of Steven Wilsons music and I think he's a great big fraud but everyone else seems to think he's some kind of god and he's not mentioned here anyway so I can't vote for him, and probably no one would agree with me anyway......all just opinion innit....
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 06:20
micky's gonna give you a medal LOL
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 06:38
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hahaha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 14:13
Nah, you are not alone. I think Wilson is a hack as well. Every single one of his albums is calculated and robotic, he lacks passion, musicianship and the ability to create something organic. Anyway, I'm glad he's not in the poll since I wouldn't put him near these great artists. ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 15:23
| Tull, and may be PF... |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 21:13
Aye. I agree. DSOTM is a very fine album, but I feel it is far overrated. I prefer their prior album "Meddle." ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: September 24 2018 at 02:08
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: September 25 2018 at 20:30
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Dark Side of the Moon. Yes, I like it, but its much overrated. And its leading to the poll. I took a bit of flack for claiming DSoTM was overrated in another thread. Where were you all then? ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Shrek the Progre
Date Posted: October 02 2018 at 12:10
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It is also my opinion that Thick as a Brick drags on a bit too long at certain parts, so it's my choice. DSOTM comes second. Anyway I love all of them and think their fame is well deserved, as many said here. I'd rather call stuff such as Kansas, Neo-Prog, Canterbury and some more recent bands overrated, even considering they didn't receive the same praise. And since we're talking about the exemplar prog works I guess we could've included something from ELP aswell, just to see how it went? |
Posted By: enigma
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 00:47
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A toss up between CTTE and ITCOTCK for me; simply because I find the others far more rewarding to listen to.. I voted CTTE |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 02:01
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Posted By: Shrek the Progre
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 06:19
Yes plenty, but it is my opinion that their music refers too much to classic prog albums and doesnt compensate that fact with superior musicianship. That said I might have my issues with 80s music and everything that resembles it... Anyway, it could be thay im just too much into more recent prog and havent given enough listens to post-golden era works. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 09:24
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I voted for Dark Side. It is a brilliantly engineered album. But I only like Any Colour...However the other picks are all far far superior. And anybody who claims to like symphonic prog but doesn't like The Raven....is a complete fraud IMO... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: October 03 2018 at 22:00
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Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 03:20
| I went for Thick as a Brick. Does nothing for me, wheras I like all the others |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 11:52
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^ I always felt that album by Tull was overrated also......the first 6 minutes are a nice prog track ...after that the album basically repeats the same theme and music. Tull was far far better at the mid-length proggy rock folk track where Anderson 's biting lyrics explored a single thought/idea per song. Albums like Stand Up, Benefit, and Aqualung are far better musical and lyrical statements imho. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 12:49
| ^ Agreed. Thick as a Brick has some nice moments but it does drag out way too much. I find it really hard to sit through the whole album. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 13:31
^ last three posts ------------- |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 14:27
What Logan says here just about covers my thoughts on this. All these lps are in my collection, all have a place in my head and heart but none are in my top 20 favourites and all have their flaws in my view. ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 18:31
amen brother.. that was when Tull was a band.. not a Ian Anderson solo/ego trip.... I was surprised.. then again not surprised to read Steve Howe turned down the Tull gig when told he was merely to play.. no songs.. ie very limited creative input ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 21:43
I do enjoy the album, but indeed it drags on in some places. That's why I love so much better the live version of the song on Live Bursting Out... much more consistent, and it's got just about the best of the song. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: October 04 2018 at 22:07
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I am repeating myself, but Thick really doesnīt drag me at all, not although I heard it first time already in the eighties, still always when I listened it, itīs full pleasure to me from the beginning to end. Ianīs egotrip or not, itīs anyway masterpiece and the best Tull-album, there is nothing bland as there is in that Yes-albums first side of the same year. To me it seems somebodies who says opinions about it have listened it last time 1972, it really doesnīt repeat it themes, there are just lots great, sad melodic themes that many progbands (specially the most of new bands) should learn about. I think I am not going to waste my time in this place a lot anymore that seems to become sh*tethrowing club of masterpieces.
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: October 05 2018 at 02:11
I wouldn't get that upset Mortte; I too post very little to the forum these days because of the sh*tethrowing... TAAB doesn't drag to these ears....I'm still finding bits in it that still raise the hair on the back of my neck some 46 years after first hearing it. And side 2 is just as good as side 1; IMHO. .....Do you believe in the day?! I do
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: October 05 2018 at 05:26
| Overrated? I don't know. now, over exposed and/or over played? That's a whole different discussion. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: October 05 2018 at 05:45
When I listen to music I use simple criteria. Those include, do I like the song? Does it appeal to me? Do I "connect" with it in some way? If any or all of those are true, then I like the song. It doesn't matter if it's prog, pop, jazz, classical, etc, etc. What it comes down to is, if I like it, I like it. I try not to get bogged down by who is or is not a hack or derivative or lacking in passion. If I like the song, I like it. Simple as that. I think that some prog fans (although this is not exclusive to prog fans) are over serious snobs with a large stick up their asses, who use justifications based on said snobbery to look down their noses at certain artists, or certain types of music. I know. I used to be one of those. In some ways, I still am. Even now I can't abide rap/hip hip and country, although there are a handful of songs from both of those genres that I do enjoy, but only a handful. I also can't imagine limiting myself to only 70s prog. There is a ton of wonderful stuff out there just waiting to be discovered. Expand your horizons. You might be surprised.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: October 05 2018 at 08:46
Ian's ego trip, hard to think of a poorer argument. He was the better songwriter, had a vision of what the band should be, took total creative control and put the blues influences aside..nothing new under the sun. But it looks like some folks has not digested it yet...after 48 years!! ------------- |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 05 2018 at 15:13
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Yes.....he discarded the 'blues influences'...which is why he did 2 'prog albums' with side long tracks and then returned to 'blues influenced rock' for the next 40 years...eventually rewriting the same songs from those blues rock albums but not as well. ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: October 05 2018 at 19:58
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If anything, Benefit is underrated. I love that damn album! I don't think any of these are overrated... they're classics for a reason. My least favorite of the lot is the Genesis one. I only like two songs from it, but yeah, they're both really killer songs. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 04:21
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I already commented but commenting again and my opinion still stands. In the Court of the Crimson King is the most overrated prog album of all time in my opinion. Fight me ------------- War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 04:30
I can't vote for any of those "overrated" album choices because I love all five albums. 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 05:00
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None are really overrated IMO, and I don't really like that term. My least personal fave is Thick as a Brick, I guess. DSOTM is an obvious masterpiece. Nothing like that had ever been recorded. The same goes for ITCOTCK. The track CTTE is a masterpiece in its own right, although there are better Yes albums overall. I can see why SEBTP is so highly rated, but personally I think Foxtrot, The Lamb and Trick all better qualify as masterpieces. I'll be lynched for that, no doubt ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 06:03
| While it's undoubtedly a great album, Court is the easy choice for me as it's not as consistent as the others and not even my favorite Crimson. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 06:42
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none of these are over rated ..... they are all fine examples of what Prog can and should be all about ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 07:54
Won't fight you because I agree. The two tracks I like on the album are "21st Century Schizoid Man" and the title track. The other three songs are so mellow, repetitive, and overly long that I lose interest fast. I would rate it three stars at most.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 08:25
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How can a masterpiece be overrated? That's an oxymoron. They are all 5 star classics. Sure we can get sick of certain albums due to overexposure but that doesn't mean it's overrated nor anything less than a masterpiece. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 08:27
Totally agree!
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 08:31
 noneIn most cases not my favorite album from the artist - but in any case brilliant albums.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 09:12
my exact thought when I read the thread title.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 11:51
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None of these are overrated. ------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 12:29
We have similar ears? Haha. I rate it 3 stars myself ------------- War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 13:39
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 14:05
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My vote goes to Thick As A Brick which I actually find quite boring. But tbh. I am not a big fan of In The Court... either - not a bad album, but I tend to find it a bit one-dimensional on an emotional level. I am much more keen on later Crimson albums. There is no way I would rate Dark Side as overrated. It is one of the most accomplised pieces of music in the 20th century.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 14:08
| It's hard to overrate any of these. They are masterpieces in their own right. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 17:47
| Foxtrot, Lamb Lies Down and Dark Side for me although I still like all three of them. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 07 2019 at 17:56
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Selling Ergot By The Penny. 20% of the album is such drivel (Battle of Epping) that I just took a nail to it so the record would skip. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |