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oh here we go..... the better half wanted to know why I was laughing so hard ....
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh here we go..... the better half wanted to know why I was laughing so hard ....

You can blame it on me, and then have her go spam my Facebook.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  
I would use the word "nonsense", but that wouldn't be polite. There is no way in Heaven or Hell that Dio can be considered an "upgrade" to 1970s Ozzy. 

Having seen both Ozzy with Sabbath on the 1974 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Tour and Dio with Sabbath on the '82 Black and Blue Tour, there really isn't a comparison. When Ozzy sang songs (and I'll just give singular instances from a few albums) like their titular "Black Sabbath", "Hand of Doom", "Into the Void", "Under the Sun", "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" or "Megalomania", there was an inherent malice, an evil presence that was as much Ozzy's shriek and snarl as were the vicious riffs Tony Iommi was spitting out on every song. It's what every metal band named after guts or phlegm or menstruation or whatever has aspired to sound like thereafter, but which just sounds like silly Halloween growls with sped-up Sabbath riffs.

Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie."



Yes two very distinct vocal personalities. And if you're looking for pure evil incarnate, 70's Ozzy is gonna' be your guy.  But this is music after all, and ya' gotta' admit, that little Dio elf had a monster set of pipes.  Range and power Ozzy could only dream of.  
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you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.
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As a huge fan of the first two Dio-era albums (I count Heaven and Hell as one of my Top 10 albums of all time), I have to agree with Greg here. The main reason why I've never been able to warm to Live Evil is that RJD's voice just did not work on the band's Ozzy-era classics. Songs like "Iron Man" or "War Pigs" are Ozzy's and Ozzy's alone, and no one else can do them justice. Dio, as great a voice as he had, was not at his best when singing other people's material. His performance of "Mistreated" on Rainbow's live album offers further proof of that. Being a technically gifted singer does not mean your voice will work equally well on all kinds of material.
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whoo hooo!!!!
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Oh agreed with regard to Live Evil.  Dio just couldn't deliver those Ozzy songs with any authenticity.  
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.

I. Couldn't. Leave. Mesmerized. By. Russian. Propaganda. Memes.

Besides, I can be much more malevolent without insufferable moderation. Raff did like my rant on a group of crazy Catholics wanting to have JRR Tolkien canonized because he wrote Lord of the Rings.
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lmao.. hell yeah....I heard about that rant
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Live Evil. Yeah. First of all don't nick your album title from Miles. Second, don't try and deliver songs designed for the vocal cords of the undead stoner doom king of Birmingham if your vocalist is a 3’ tall opera-singing elf from New Hampshire.
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wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.
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hahah..  poor RJD.  Taking it on the chin today...
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.

Oh, I've never been banned either. Although I seem to recall having several posts edited for opinions detrimental to the imbeciles I was mocking.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.

I. Couldn't. Leave. Mesmerized. By. Russian. Propaganda. Memes.

Besides, I can be much more malevolent without insufferable moderation. Raff did like my rant on a group of crazy Catholics wanting to have JRR Tolkien canonized because he wrote Lord of the Rings.


You bet I didWink! I had already read about that somewhere, and thought it was one of the most idiotic proposals I'd heard in a long time. As you aptly wrote in your post, Tolkien would've been the first to disagree with the idea.

Anyway, I voted for the Sabs - and I like Rush quite a bit. Great music is not just a question of technical proficiency, as also illustrated by early Pink Floyd.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.

Oh, I've never been banned either. Although I seem to recall having several posts edited for opinions detrimental to the imbeciles I was mocking.

several.. I would have thought more. Then again you came a bit late to the O.K Corral. You would have loved it and likely would have been drafted into my team of cutthroats, knee breakers and ass kickers. This site was truly wild early on.

oh you are talking to the undisputed king of hidden, and delted posts.. along with the never be touched record holder of deleted PM's from admins threatening me to lay off the women, children and limp dicked.

Good times...
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yeah... right darling. Back on topic.

an easy vote for Sabbath. It takes more than the Necromancer to top what Sabbath did.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:


Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie."



Nope.  You're dead wrong dude!  Dio was the double Black of evil...... nuff said.
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Rush no contest.  That batch was INCREDIBLE, every last one of them, and they progressed so greatly throughout the period, making such a variety of great music, but all incredibly worthy.  

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  


For me, Sabbath's best album is Reunion. It's got just about the best songs from the 70's, and are upgraded and made much heavier. I enjoy just about all of them over their studio versions. On the other hand, I do consider Dio to be a much better singer.
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Well, they do have a very different sound to them. It's almost like two different groups, even aside from having a different vocalist.  
I think thatīs the main problem for me. That sound Sabbath got with Ozzy is the only Sabbath sound to me. Dio-albums reminds me his later own band sound. Nothing against it, but it just havenīt ever hit me like that earlier Sabbath sound. I really love also their 13 album, but all the other Sabbath albums have never hit me.
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Rush would get my vote
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